Dungeon ni Hisomu Yandere na Kanojo ni Ore wa Nando mo Korosareru - Vol. 6 Ch. 27

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Yeah, but his point still stands. Not taking his gender into account, the experiences he's had throughout his life should've influenced the way he behaves in the present time. Not only did he go through horrible things in the dungeon, being betrayed over and over again due to making the wrong choices with the two girls caught in the loop with him, his entire existence before being tossed into the dungeon would leave ANYONE with a sense of distrust towards most people, especially strangers. Also, not for anything but suddenly bringing up your OH SO TRAGIC story to earn sympathy and trust is off putting as hell. Survival is the name of the game, and it's a game he should be an expert on. By this point he should really be strong and wise enough to survive without relying entirely on loop knowledge. Remember, most of the people he ever knew were pieces of shit, and even the ones he considers "decent" like the vampire girl and the hero girl can go off the edge and turn into psycho killers at the drop of a hat. No reason to believe he can trust the hero and company without question, especially when some of the party members have shown clear animosity towards him.
I blame that on typical Japanese writing, for a lot series MC is a goody two shoes who forgives and trusts anyone, I'm actually surprised dude went ahead with his revenge :v

If I had to guess I think the excuse is exactly because it's the hero party, so due to usual Japanese writing he doesn't even consider they might not be good people, they're the heroes after all lol

It probably helps that he's in a different era altogether where there's no stigma against him, so we can probably assume, perhaps even should, that his life in the past was overall pretty ok to how it was before being sent into the dungeon

Seriously though, I'm still surprised he didn't go typical Japanese protagonist being more forgiving than fucking Jesus and just let the village get away with their bullshit, cause that's generally the way it goes in a lot of mangas
 
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Oh you killed them easily? Wonder why that is? Is it because you previously took a skill for fking tanks while being one fking hit from dying? Could that be the fking reason, mc? Glad you chose acceleration this time u fk
 
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Weird? More like dumb, sexist, narrow-minded, honestly, I could use a lot of words, some more colorful than others

Newsflash, you wasn't elected as representative of all man so you don't get to speak for all

It's actually kinda funny you think you get to tell others how men function :v

Really, you must be young and naive or old and stubborn to have such simplistically view of masculinity

You also lose points because you're talking as if you need to be a man to have the views you mentioned, you don't, kinda funny really that you think woman couldn't easily have same beliefs, and before you try to fix it and say you didn't mean that, yes you did, it's why you specified how man in particular works, which means woman are more trusting

Ironic since on average women are less trusting than men in many aspects, to the point if asked if she had to be alone in the a forest with a man or a bear they would choose a bear

Also particularly funny that you're trying tell other men how men should work, shit I'm probably fucking older than you :v

Anyway, I'm rambling, point is that you're objectively wrong and you need go expand your horizons, I hope it's just lack of knowledge rather than fault of being terminally online
With all due respect, you haven't answered or addressed my point. You only talked about how dumb I am and how young and naive I am for discussing what a man does in the MC's situation. And no, I am older than you.

Yeah, but his point still stands. Not taking his gender into account, the experiences he's had throughout his life should've influenced the way he behaves in the present time. Not only did he go through horrible things in the dungeon, being betrayed over and over again due to making the wrong choices with the two girls caught in the loop with him, his entire existence before being tossed into the dungeon would leave ANYONE with a sense of distrust towards most people, especially strangers. Also, not for anything but suddenly bringing up your OH SO TRAGIC story to earn sympathy and trust is off putting as hell. Survival is the name of the game, and it's a game he should be an expert on. By this point he should really be strong and wise enough to survive without relying entirely on loop knowledge. Remember, most of the people he ever knew were pieces of shit, and even the ones he considers "decent" like the vampire girl and the hero girl can go off the edge and turn into psycho killers at the drop of a hat. No reason to believe he can trust the hero and company without question, especially when some of the party members have shown clear animosity towards him.
This guy gets it.
 
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With all due respect, you haven't answered or addressed my point.
Your point was already addressed multiple times by different people, you simply don't accept it because it goes against your views of how a Real Man™ acts

If you can't accept some people can acts in ways different from your beliefs then that's literally a you problem
You only talked about how dumb I am and how young and naive I am for discussing what a man does in the MC's situation.
Except I wasn't criticizing you, but your view of how a Man™ actually acts

I also find interesting how you're fixated on dumb, young and naive when my actual words were:

Dumb
Sexist
Narrow-minded
And that if I wanted I could have used more colorful words

And that you must be young and naive
OR
Old and stubborn
To have such simplistically view of masculinity

You don't need to be young to have these limited beliefs on how a Real Man™ should act, a lot of old people are stubborn and hold the same outdated beliefs that a Real Man™ should only act in one way
And no, I am older than you.
I highly doubt, but even if you are then it's time you live in the present and abandon such outdated views on how men should be
This guy gets it.
Except for the fact he completely dropped the man angle since it was dumb
 
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Your point was already addressed multiple times by different people, you simply don't accept it because it goes against your views of how a Real Man™ acts

If you can't accept some people can acts in ways different from your beliefs then that's literally a you problem

Except I wasn't criticizing you, but your view of how a Man™ actually acts

I also find interesting how you're fixated on dumb, young and naive when my actual words were:

Dumb
Sexist
Narrow-minded
And that if I wanted I could have used more colorful words

And that you must be young and naive
OR
Old and stubborn
To have such simplistically view of masculinity

You don't need to be young to have these limited beliefs on how a Real Man™ should act, a lot of old people are stubborn and hold the same outdated beliefs that a Real Man™ should only act in one way

I highly doubt, but even if you are then it's time you live in the present and abandon such outdated views on how men should be

Except for the fact he completely dropped the man angle since it was dumb
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Wishing you a good life.
 
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I blame that on typical Japanese writing, for a lot series MC is a goody two shoes who forgives and trusts anyone, I'm actually surprised dude went ahead with his revenge :v

If I had to guess I think the excuse is exactly because it's the hero party, so due to usual Japanese writing he doesn't even consider they might not be good people, they're the heroes after all lol

It probably helps that he's in a different era altogether where there's no stigma against him, so we can probably assume, perhaps even should, that his life in the past was overall pretty ok to how it was before being sent into the dungeon

Seriously though, I'm still surprised he didn't go typical Japanese protagonist being more forgiving than fucking Jesus and just let the village get away with their bullshit, cause that's generally the way it goes in a lot of mangas
Yeah, too bad the author undid all of that progress by simply rewinding to a time before the village didn't even exist. So much for MC living with some heavy consequences. Now we get both an MC that hasn't really killed anyone (since that reality no longer exists) and an MC that has taken revenge (without any sort of repercussions). The best and the worst of both worlds I guess.

Also, logically, he SHOULD be distrusting of the hero's party because the last hero he met ended up being a psycho girl with split personalities who killed him on multiple occasions.
 
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Your point was already addressed multiple times by different people, you simply don't accept it because it goes against your views of how a Real Man™ acts

If you can't accept some people can acts in ways different from your beliefs then that's literally a you problem

Except I wasn't criticizing you, but your view of how a Man™ actually acts

I also find interesting how you're fixated on dumb, young and naive when my actual words were:

Dumb
Sexist
Narrow-minded
And that if I wanted I could have used more colorful words

And that you must be young and naive
OR
Old and stubborn
To have such simplistically view of masculinity

You don't need to be young to have these limited beliefs on how a Real Man™ should act, a lot of old people are stubborn and hold the same outdated beliefs that a Real Man™ should only act in one way

I highly doubt, but even if you are then it's time you live in the present and abandon such outdated views on how men should be

Except for the fact he completely dropped the man angle since it was dumb
I see your trigger word was "man." It was the least important part of the original argument, but it's the one word you hyper focused on. Let it go, I'm pretty sure it was never meant to be taken as the absolute male patriarchy supremacy statement. He was just pointing out how MC was not learning from his past experiences. That was it.
 
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Yeah, too bad the author undid all of that progress by simply rewinding to a time before the village didn't even exist. So much for MC living with some heavy consequences. Now we get both an MC that hasn't really killed anyone (since that reality no longer exists) and an MC that has taken revenge (without any sort of repercussions). The best and the worst of both worlds I guess.
Not necessarily, depends on where it goes from here, will he stay in the past forever? Will he get back to his own time?

Taking into account why he was hated to begin with I'm pretty sure he'll go back to the present and it's all a grandfather paradox, he was hated due to his hair and the reason the stigma existed to begin with was his own fault lol
Also, logically, he SHOULD be distrusting of the hero's party because the last hero he met ended up being a psycho girl with split personalities who killed him on multiple occasions.
Not necessarily, aren't those basically heroes that went down in history as being betrayed? Ageha is also a self proclaimed hero no? He literally has no reason to distrust them
I see your trigger word was "man." It was the least important part of the original argument, but it's the one word you hyper focused on. Let it go, I'm pretty sure it was never meant to be taken as the absolute male patriarchy supremacy statement. He was just pointing out how MC was not learning from his past experiences. That was it.
Yeeeah no, it was important as soon as people gave reasons why maybe he told about his backstory to her but dude insisted that simply can't happen because a Man™ doesn't act like that

Also kind weird you mentioned patriarchy since you absolutely can be sexist without patriarchy involved :v

You need to remember those are not just some random people but the fucking hero party that went down in history for being betrayed, I feel that if there's anyone that would make him lower his guard is them.

At least that's how I remember we learned about them when it was explained why the village hated him to begin with, though I might be misremembering some details
 
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Not necessarily, depends on where it goes from here, will he stay in the past forever? Will he get back to his own time?

Taking into account why he was hated to begin with I'm pretty sure he'll go back to the present and it's all a grandfather paradox, he was hated due to his hair and the reason the stigma existed to begin with was his own fault lol

Not necessarily, aren't those basically heroes that went down in history as being betrayed? Ageha is also a self proclaimed hero no? He literally has no reason to distrust them

Yeeeah no, it was important as soon as people gave reasons why maybe he told about his backstory to her but dude insisted that simply can't happen because a Man™ doesn't act like that

Also kind weird you mentioned patriarchy since you absolutely can be sexist without patriarchy involved :v

You need to remember those are not just some random people but the fucking hero party that went down in history for being betrayed, I feel that if there's anyone that would make him lower his guard is them.

At least that's how I remember we learned about them when it was explained why the village hated him to begin with, though I might be misremembering some details
His own time doesn't exist. By that logic, is it possible to go back to any of the other loops? It all falls under the same system, the author undid everything that happened, and in order to move on and never have to deal with that problem, we went back to a time where the village's existence is no longer relevant, nor is it his goal, since it doesn't exist.

Regardless of whether or not the hero party are trustworthy, all he knows is they were betrayed. He knows nothing of their personalities or ways of life. You'd think he would become a bit more careful and less trusting after everything he's been through, but that's obviously not the kind of person the author wants him to be. He needs to remain static when it comes to his character, personality, and way of acting. Can't have a hero with 2 brain cells or some agency. Nope, that'd be asking for too much, it may alienate the target audience.

Ageha was confirmed to be the hero if I'm not mistaken, by the Vampire girl. She did defeat the demon lord, and then was sealed (though the circumstances are still unknown). Only a hero can defeat the demon lord, therefore, Ageha is not a self proclaimed hero since she accomplished just that, given that the world did not end and all that.

About using the word patriarchy, I was simply tossing a bunch of sexist sounding words to emphasize how meaningless it was to hyper focus on the subject. It's meaningless and not the point of the argument. And then you went and hyper focused on patriarchy and commented on it. Figures. Let it go.
 
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His own time doesn't exist. By that logic, is it possible to go back to any of the other loops? It all falls under the same system, the author undid everything that happened, and in order to move on and never have to deal with that problem, we went back to a time where the village's existence is no longer relevant, nor is it his goal, since it doesn't exist.
Actually his time still exists, Ageha destroyed the physical reality not the space time continuum, at least from what I remember, and don't forget the story is about magic and gods too, his world can just as easily be recreated if a higher power so desires.

Which is most likely what will happen really, we're basically seeing why people with his hair was hated, you shouldn't assume things won't go back to where they were when time travel is involved.

Mark my words, we absolutely we'll go back to the present and continue from where we stopped.
Regardless of whether or not the hero party are trustworthy, all he knows is they were betrayed. He knows nothing of their personalities or ways of life. You'd think he would become a bit more careful and less trusting after everything he's been through, but that's obviously not the kind of person the author wants him to be. He needs to remain static when it comes to his character, personality, and way of acting. Can't have a hero with 2 brain cells or some agency. Nope, that'd be asking for too much, it may alienate the target audience.
A lot of his attitude could be explained due to different values, don't forget this is written by Japanese, I honestly doubt they're questioning why he trust the hero party

For the Japanese him trusting the legendary hero party is probably much more easier to accept than it is for us in the west

And even ignoring that some people  are trusting like this, especially since we need to take into account in the past Kiska is living fine as an adventurer as far as we know, he has no reason to suspect the worst from the hero party

Yes, theorically most people who goes through shit like he did become cynical and paranoid, but some doesn't, his attitude isn't inherently unrealistic
Ageha was confirmed to be the hero if I'm not mistaken, by the Vampire girl. She did defeat the demon lord, and then was sealed (though the circumstances are still unknown). Only a hero can defeat the demon lord, therefore, Ageha is not a self proclaimed hero since she accomplished just that, given that the world did not end and all that.
Right, she did confirm it later, I completely forgot that since it was a while ago
About using the word patriarchy, I was simply tossing a bunch of sexist sounding words to emphasize how meaningless it was to hyper focus on the subject. It's meaningless and not the point of the argument. And then you went and hyper focused on patriarchy and commented on it. Figures. Let it go.
Nope, wasn't meaningless, to quote his exact words:

"Hey. I know this sounds weird to you, but this is not how men function, especially those who have been through a lot in life."

He's literally making pretty clear part of the reason he can't accept the arguments he quoted is because mc is a man

What he said wasn't said in a vacuum, it was said explicitly in relation to what me and Csabawars said

You don't care about that and find it meaningless? That's on you, won't stop me from calling out stupid sexism when I see it

You can reply to this part of our discussion if you want, but we clearly won't get anywhere cause we see things too differently
 
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Only because you chose to ignore the context of what he said
I guess once you are triggered, you make mountains out of molehills, and you are unable to let it go. It's the internet, you can spend you life trying to "fix" the way people think or act, or you can just let it go. Some of us let it go, others make a lot of noise about it. Either way, the result is the same, people don't change the way they think, thus any kind of argument, or pointing things out in a super dramatic way, is completely and utterly meaningless. In any case, the objective of this board is to discuss the manga it belongs to, we've carried this derailed and pointless conversation far enough. Let it go, let it end. Good day to you sir/madam.
 
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Why is the trope of sharing personal failures with strangers so common in manga? Why would I reveal such a personal history, even superficially, to a random person? Who convinced writers that this is normal behavior for men?
in this scenario, it's a little bit more understandable. they just came out of a (relatively) life-or-death situation; that sort of thing tends to bring people together. that's why soldiers end up having such strong bonds with the other guys in their unit irl
 

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