"Early" Isekai

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Up to this point I read quite a few isekai with several different settings and sometimes they mentioned a 'mainstream' route with a normal hero defeating the demon king. So I wanted to ask if maybe anyone knew the origin this is based on wheter it is a novel or an old book.
Thanks beforehand and sry for my bad English.
 

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Not a book or novel, but rather I think this kind of storyline is based on early jrpgs. Dragon Quest is the most orthodox one that comes to mind, but early final fantasy games also have similar structures. To a lesser extent, there's so MMO presence to these stories as well, especially in the design which tend to default to bland tropes. For instance, the blonde busty elf, which isn't the same elf western fans would imagine when the word comes to mind (I think Legolas holds that top spot). There's also bikini armor, which is definitely a mmorpg trait.

There's some 90's-00's isekai manga that also have a fantasy narrative, but you'll notice from titles like Inuyasha and Magic Knight Rayearth that the aesthetic and tone are way way different from today's isekai fantasies even if the subject is the same. The isekai genre of today does not have a long history nor too much of the older generation's flavor in it. I'd trace everything back roughly to SAO. While there are precedents for stories like SAO, namely .hack, I would credit SAO as the series that popularized stories about living in game-style worlds.
 
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Hercules
And you probably thought schools didn't teach OP monster fighting isekai stories to kids these days. Turns out its a tradition probably going back further than recorded history.
I'm not actually sure if he was born on earth, or sent to earth after birth, but I believe its the latter
 
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In terms of Japanese pop culture, I suppose the first answer was correct. I also had a discussion like this with my friends a few weeks back and we arrived at the same conclusion: the tropes were borrowed from '90s JRPGs (which in turn borrowed somewhat heavily from older editions of Dungeons and Dragons) and finally cemented by SAO in the public conscious.

We had a bit of a debate when it comes to actual isekai progenitor, though. I attributed the boom to Re:Zero, while my friend said SAO would be the proper beginning of the boom.
 
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I think the current "Mainstream" isekai isn't really the same as the "Early" isekai. Early isekai are something like "special person from Earth discover they're special,goes to another world to save it,then come back home", while the current "Mainstream" isekai are "normal person from Earth goes to another world,gain special power,abuse the power to get what they want while their friends love them for that,have no attemp to ever go back home".

Early isekai animes/mangas are more traditional isekai stories that could be found from all over the world, but later type of isekai story that become "Mainstream" are adaptation of them, comebine the premise of traditional isekai with what the Japanease love, that is, Dragon Quest.
Most trope associate with Mainstream isekai can be found in Dragon Quest: Middle age, sword&magic, demon king and their 4 heavenly whatever (which comes from Japan's myth of 4 directional guardians), and sometimes even some iconic clothings such as circlets for the hero and bikini armor. And also add some cheat codes in to skip the MC's boring level grinding chore and into the boss curp-stomping fun.

As for Heracle/Hercules, he was born on Earth from human mother and Zeus. That why he was named Heracle, which means something like "hail Hera", in the mother's attempt to avoid typical Hera's jealousy. Didn't really work though.
 
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Come to think of it, what do you guys think about isekai series like Slime Tensei, Shield Hero, and Spider Isekai? I've watched Gigguk's video on isekai and he believes that these are the "next generation" of isekai. Basically his theory is:

-SAO anime leads to isekai boom,
-Tons of isekai LNs come from the boom (Re: Zero, KonoSuba, No Game No Life, etc),
-Those LNs get their own anime adaptations,
-More isekai stuffs get inspired from those isekai animes (the "next generation" which is happening now)
-Repeat

And while we're at it, what do you guys think about Otome? I think we can all agree that this comes from isekai but what exactly caused the boom?
 
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Not sure either but the oldest Isekai I have read is Digimon Adventure

Edit: Searched up a bit and find out my oldest one is Mashin Eiyuuden Wataru (1988)
Also seems like lot of people assumed Narnia to be first hit of summon type isekai. Not sure about the reincarnation type.
 
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Earliest isekai i know is doraemon technicaly but if typhical isekai with neet death and restart new life is mushoku tensei
 
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- Magic Knight Rayearth by CLAMP also fit into isekai category too.
- Kanata Kara by Kyoko Hikawa
 
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>DANDAN_THE_DANDAN
I agreed with him. As I said, the current isekai series came from many author take the basic premise of isekai story (go to another world with special powers) and add their own favorite tropes (cheats, harem, power flaunting , etc.) to make stories that they like, which many people also like, so they can be sell by companies, which create a market for isekai series that lure more authors to make more isekai series. And as before, some authors start to experiment with the premise of current isekai by adding their own favorite tropes and/or present them in their own interpretation. As these"next gen" isekai prove they can be sold well enough, companies will make more of them, which would inspire the as-yet-to-be-seen "next gen" of the next gen isekai or even some other genre else entirely.
As for Otome, I assume you meant the "reincanated into Otome series (usually as villains)", right? If so, I also have no idea, the just seems to show up when some outstanding series start to sell well and making waves. So I assume they came from authors who have played many Otome games and don't like the female characters in them so much they took to writing fanfics to fix that, and later polish some points up and make an original series that deals with that issues, and the boom of isekai is a perfect time to publish them. Their popularity can be interpret as their readers also share their views of the problems in Otome games.

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I don't think Doraemon counts as an isekai, even by technicalities. Basis of isekai story is MC go to another world and have special power there. Doraemon go from the future into the past,so not really another world. It'd be closer to Superpowered Visitors From Another World type story, which might seems close, but different enough to be their own thing, specifically how the main cast stay in their world while magics happens around them instead of going to another world to have magics happen there. Their various adventures to another world might count as isekai in their own rights, but the Doraemon series as a whole isn't about isekai.
 
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Don't forget MÄR, that was an isekai. But yes, I agree Rayearth was an early isekai.
 
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The oldest "isekai" story I know of is A Connecticut Yankee in King Arthur's Court by Mark Twain (1889). The oldest manga I found using MU search (I haven't read it) is called Ouke no Monshou (1976).
 
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I think Zero No Tsukaima sits on the cusp between old-style isekai and the new-style isekai. It was also one of the fairly popular LN adaptations during the big wave of LN adaptations that happened in the early 2000s, so I'm wondering if it had anything to do with influencing the genre. It doesn't have the explicitly video gamey elements of modern isekai, but it's definitely more similar to them (with its harem-ish antics and the MC getting a magical powerup by being transported to the new world) than to earlier isekai.

One of the things to remember is that most of the successful modern isekai came from the webnovel scene, then got picked up by traditional LN publishers (leading to manga and anime adaptations) once they'd proven themselves popular by crowdvoting on the original webnovel sites (the publishers already knew they were working with winners), so there was a bit of a time lag from when the genre got popular online to when we saw it hit the manga/anime scene. Speaking of popularity, that's one of the reasons you see a lot of the same lowest common denominator crowd-pleasing tropes across them - getting popular enough to get a publishing deal is highly competitive, and it's a much better bet to stick with what everyone knows works. You also see stuff added, removed, or shuffled around at the publisher's/editor's request, based on what they think will do better with the wider LN/manga/anime audience. (For instance, the addition of Albedo in Overlord to give the series a bit more eye candy in the LN release.)

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Come to think of it, what do you guys think about isekai series like Slime Tensei, Shield Hero, and Spider Isekai? I've watched Gigguk's video on isekai and he believes that these are the "next generation" of isekai

It's something you see with any genre once the 'standard' feel is set, writers start putting a deliberate twist on certain elements of it in an attempt to grab more readers who are getting tired of the standard genre, but not so much of a twist that it loses that feel. (Speaking of a grandaddy isekai, A Connecticut Yankee In King Arthur's Court was the same thing, except it was twisting the knightly fantasy genre, stuff like Ivanhoe and Men of Iron, by making the main character a modern engineer instead of a medieval knight.) For isekai, there are some easy twists you can put on the standard formula: protagonist as a monster, protagonist as a villain, protagonist as an underdog people in the world despise, etc., so we're starting to see a lot of works using them, with more following as the various subgenres get popular.

We're seeing it a lot faster in the manga/anime community for isekai now, because new webnovels and LNs are getting picked up for manga/anime adaptations much faster than the first isekais were. The webnovel scene (and the webtoon scene) iterates on ideas a lot faster than some other storytelling scenes because its feedback is very fast and direct, and there's no editorial gatekeeping as there is for traditionally published LNs and manga, so people can get riskier new ideas and twists on the genre out to the public faster.

And while we're at it, what do you guys think about Otome? I think we can all agree that this comes from isekai but what exactly caused the boom?

I think it spiked so suddenly because someone asked "wait a minute, what about writing isekais for people that want romance and drama instead of powerleveling badasses? Why not base them on reverse harem otome games instead of Dragon Quest style RPGs?" and that pulled in an entirely new demographic of readers, while still retaining some of the existing isekai fans. You could say that if the usual isekai presents a male power fantasy, this subgenre presents a female power fantasy.

Although they're called an isekai subgenre, they have much more in common with fantasy shoujo than with the series that made isekai popular originally.
 
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My first Isekai (if it can be called that) was ID - The greatest Fusion Fantasy by the one and only AT Kenny. It's quite a bit different since someone from a not so modern era Korea (presumably) where most martial arts manhua take place is transported to the medieval continent of Gressen. Chunwha finds a Dragon, inherits his heart and will together with the sentient Sword Lamia that has chosen him as his master. When asked for his name, he picks a random one from the Dragon's memory, the title giving ID, and the Gears of Destiny begin to turn. Sadly it was axed more than 5 years ago after it started serialization in 2002 (at least the translations stopped 5 years ago) and I always loved this little gem of an Isekai before they exploded in the early 2010s in both manga and anime. It would fall more into the "traditional" vein as he was not exactly ordinary when he crossed over by accident (surviving a cultivation technique meant for women and hence cultivated a lot of Ki that collided with his body, but he survived after extensive treatment, giving him an even more androgynous look and giving us many running gags), but there was never this over-arching savior motif to him. And even on the Gressen continent I would love to argue about him being a savior or a destroyer. He is feared for the latter, I can say that much. When he meets the Dragon Lord, she is immediately alarmed when hearing his name, but chooses to observe.

That's also an aspect I enjoyed about World Customize Creator before it drowned in all the other things I am reading and dropping all the time. I don't like these "OH BIG SAVIOR!" stories. Which is why I love That time I got reincarnated as a Slime and similar isekais. They subvert the (formerly?) common trope and focus on something else. Saving the world is just a byproduct.
 
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before SAO there is full dive game : ./Hack
korean manhwa Yureka has full dive gear too
and there some popular korean novel about full dive game such as Moonlight sculptor
 
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i dunno but i think "Kanata Kara" is actually isekai theme.
it's a very old shoujo lol.
 

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