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Exorcist o Otosenai
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Completely agree, there's story "inconsistencies", like the greed guy trying to define what a man is by his own definition (would've preferred an adrenaline junkie fighter, developed into that because he wants to stay "gold" in winning against everyone, getting first, being greedy indirectly, but whatever)
Point being just being how strange this is, how do you go from rape to "being a man". Could definitely pick out more weird things, like when he "lost to lust" and that somehow being a victory? (also what did she mean by she felt good knowing she couldn't have had her past love by "seeing her in him", does the "win" not mean that she could have, in fact, had it? fr I feel like this IS a plot hole)
I'm all for main characters not always winning, or if they "do" for good reason (Rebuild World my goat🙌), but the "loss" really feels like nothing happened, also, a lot of the foreshadowing feels like they could lean into anywhere, that person in ice, his heart being chained, I don't think these are spoilers cause they mean nothing, you could show a duck on the moon it'd have the same effect
A good foreshadow would be like the bridge in Silent Voice, depression and falling from heights is already explored, so when it's revealed it's not really some twist or whatever it's more like a "yea... that makes sense", of course very shocking. Also small detail, no sound underwater, pretty cool, and I like how the book was symbolic of her wanting to communicate, for her to then hide her face behind it, there's just so much I love about that movie (it honestly should be talked about how it makes you feel uncomfortable not knowing what's gonna happen next, but given the themes of bullying, depression, suicide, it REALLY subconsciously makes you worried, ESPECIALLY the funeral, like, I thought that was it, love how much it makes you appreciate/be relieved), especially the difference in value/what you care about, when his mom finds out but, burns the money, like she says sorry about the money, but he's indifferent (as he should be, if you're gonna throw your life away you don't care about money(ngl this part made me tear up abit cause too real)), arguably genius as it's so realistic and such a small touch (literally lasts like seconds). As time went on having greater resolves is such a realistic and amazing detail, of course an adult would stand by their decision more than a kid, sure, she was bullied when she was younger but never thought about suicide, but then he's bullied, thinks about it, but just thinks back, then the last time it's thought of, well, you know. watch (all of) Silent Voice before revealing, amazing movie, anyway
my biggest gripe was in ch100
when she doubts him before having sex (about why he has condoms), people said it's their first time so it'll be awkward, but doubting/accusing of cheating before sex? complete 180, like no intimacy at all, proper intimate sex you should feel embarrassed/misplaced seeing it (as it doesn't involve you), like Tokyo Ghoul:re ch 125 (not really a fan of that story, but that chapter was a great sex scene example, not raunchy fluids flying everywhere), there's a bunch of buzzwords I could throw like intimacy, compassion, comfort, safety, warmth, romance, love, etc, I feel like none of those were hit in ch100, pleasure sure, and "don't stare"? nothing screams being comfortable with the person you love most like asking not to look at you, really makes you feel warm and fuzzy inside... it feels empty (admittedly I think the don't stare comment is supposed to be a "guys can't get enough of me" move, probably written by a woman, makes sense though, reverse roles and a woman's staring at you, it'd make you feel proud, but, in a sex scene? prioritising pride in the most vulnerable act? no sense, there's a place and a time people)
yea feels like a shoujo like you said, besides the gay dudes
ch90+ (til like 100 or whatever):
the whole plot of it already being laid out felt pretty bad, and boring just like he said, an entertaining clairvoyant would be one that lacks resolve or has issues comprehending/processing and acting, I imagine (wouldn't suit this story but) an emotional clairvoyant that's very worrisome because they've seen multiple timelines in which those they care about die would be pretty interesting, maybe they abuse their level of trust they can accrue to get their way, why would someone doubt a clairvoyant
Instead, you get him talking about what's gonna happen, it happening , and that's it, honestly felt like filler. It really makes no sense how his "realisation" only came during/after the fact, could've been like that one guy in MHA (yea, I know, I know) that was partially clairvoyant but couldn't see the outside world, so he was surprised to see it unfold (I think it was the boss of the bubble woman)
I got a feeling it's gonna be a "reveal changes nothing" (like a lot of isekai, "I come from a different world" "WHAT
, okay now help me make food") but we'll see (talking about the ice person, chained heart, why he gotta fall in love, it's probably all connected like his heart holds some of hell's heat "until hell freezes over" or something)ch104 is latest as of writing, I stopped after ch100, 7/10, art carries, I'll check it once it's completed
wrote without the gpt btw
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Uh, wow, ch111, is it a retcon?
Flashback, she has sex with a dude who isn't the main guy, main guy watches that with her, you should know that much
I explain why I think it's a retcon below, just gonna blanket spoiler
-ch3, pg8
"You were born with no magical power, which means the exorcist won't find out."
"Until you meet the man of your dreams?"
"You're honest with your desires, aren't you?" (Implies she's never faltered)(Apparently)
Satan mentions she's "born" with no magical power (which, if he's mentioning it, would mean she's an exception to succubi/demons, she's lucky), magical power can be detected, succubi get magical power from sex (this is like, an immovable fact, the hell else would a SEX DEMON get magic from??), so she's sort of "born an undetectable virgin demon" (with a big implication, until she has sex), but, apparently not in ch111
I feel if he meant magical capacity he could've said that, which, I guess is what ch111 is trying to "clarify" (seems to be retcon)
-ch100, pg15, she has wings in the mirror, so this would seem like her getting power ("finally")(and that she has capacity, can be seen as demonic, her demonic magic can be now be detected, literally seen)
-ch38, pg18, she doesn't have wings, but asmodeus does, what the fuck, neither are in a sexual encounter so no this isn't a "wings show during sex" thing, they should be apparent (to viewer) if they have them, as asmodeus' are (ch1 clarifies asmodeus is powerful enough to perfectly hide it, why she isn't detected around ch38 by him, but is "detected" seen in the mirror by us, viewers)
-ch111, It's also just shock value, she never mentioned her past (which, with the past chapters in mind, there'd be no reason to, she's not hiding anything, anymore, as she's revealed she's a demon), but apparently now the past is worth mentioning (maybe because the sense of "reveal" went away, he knows she's a demon, uh okay, what else can we reveal, she had sex, uh... huh?)
Why does she act so shy? She doesn't value her chastity, why is she upset when he dislikes her promiscuity? ch112, it doesn't make sense, every sexual moment as far as I can recall she was shy, but in the past she isn't?
Actually, thinking about it, her shyness, timidity, whatever, is also probably another retcon, before ch101, she was legitimately shy, but after that it's some weird form of shyness that doesn't make sense
It's also with a single guy, not many, which is strange, what's the truth? Can she even recall every man she's slept with? Is it a "minimal" damage reveal of "Oh, 1 guy, and he's not a bad guy", like that makes it better? She used sex, her sex is deprived of intimacy the main guy thought existed, that's the issue, it's also uncovering sides to her the viewer and main guy never knew existed, which breaks the trust of the viewer, this flashback could've come way earlier, like beginning of ch10
Basically, my understanding:
Before: Succubus waiting for love, has no power, hasn't had sex as that gives power (is old)
After: Succubus wants love, has no power, cannot gain power, has sex (who knows how many times, is immortal age-wise)
[3/10], art carries heavy, had a hopeful 7/10 at ch100, after that awful boring part, thought it might become like the ch38 again, new place, new faces, new dynamics, nah, show her hoeing out, speak on that
(ch1-ch53) good spot to stop, all downhill forwards (7/10, arguably 10/10)
(ch54-83) okay, the only build up was the snails in his heart (Boring and a slog, 5/10)
(ch84-98) immensely boring (3/10)
(ch100) creates what the main guy and viewer see as intimate (7/10, was also where I stopped, cause goddamn I didn't want another boring part, but going forward looks to be)
(ch111) break the created intimacy, also break the viewer's trust, why was this held from the viewer, shock value, cheap and shallow (could've been a flashback like ch10, why not? I don't know, it's not good, that's why, 3/10)
ch+ baba whatever is planned out, we get what's gonna happen, then girl or whatever frozen in hell is probably "Satan's lover", I swear if this is true it's gonna be so, god, damn, lame, a "sacrifice the world for her guy", god
It does look to be completing so wait til it's complete
Came to check if ch111 was actually real, "knew" plot point of "virgin succubus"
Minor ramblings below, of what could have been, and destruction of a theme of the story, up to ch100 basically
-ch93, His power's described as on par with a demon lord, would've been cool if he awoke her power with that (As lame as it sounds, the first "love" succubus/demon (maybe turns her angelic, as lucifer is originally an angel, like instead of her bringing him down, he brings her up), which, maybe she'd be able to fight asmodeus, the "lust" succubus/demon, his main rival really), but nah, looks like she's just a regular non-magical demon (worthless, worse than human, like wtf)
Thought the theme was "despite what, it's who" (yes, she's a demon, but she's in search of love, """waiting""" for the man of her dreams), but now she's like any other succubus, sex is used and carries no intimacy, which, severely lowers a potential bond, "who" and "what" she is are beyond worthless as a partner
Also want to quickly mention how disconnected and inconsequential every part of the story feels
Defeat demon lord #1? Doesn't matter
Defeat demon lord #2? Doesn't matter
Demon lord has backstory? Doesn't matter (She's lesbian... So?)
Defeat demon lord #3? Doesn't matter (She'll be back anyway)(Oh ho you missed that one, try another!)
Defeat demon lord friend #4? Doesn't matter
She's almost dead? Doesn't matter
Met lucifer? Doesn't matter (Contrived "ya gotta meet em to save her")
Had sex? Doesn't matter
Nothing matters man, NOTHING, like shit everyone's a goddamn robot, even the robot in "Usuzumi no Hate" ch10 struck me deeper, and there's NO face (Teared up rereading it, "Welcome back Librarian, ...?, Is something wrong?" "You can just call me Ethan", FUCK)
Someone mentioned ch1 the mentor makes a gay comment and talked about "how far was this story planned", you don't have to plan around the moon to make a character gay then reveal it later, come on
Flashback, she has sex with a dude who isn't the main guy, main guy watches that with her, you should know that much
I explain why I think it's a retcon below, just gonna blanket spoiler
-ch3, pg8
"You were born with no magical power, which means the exorcist won't find out."
"Until you meet the man of your dreams?"
"You're honest with your desires, aren't you?" (Implies she's never faltered)(Apparently)
Satan mentions she's "born" with no magical power (which, if he's mentioning it, would mean she's an exception to succubi/demons, she's lucky), magical power can be detected, succubi get magical power from sex (this is like, an immovable fact, the hell else would a SEX DEMON get magic from??), so she's sort of "born an undetectable virgin demon" (with a big implication, until she has sex), but, apparently not in ch111
I feel if he meant magical capacity he could've said that, which, I guess is what ch111 is trying to "clarify" (seems to be retcon)
-ch100, pg15, she has wings in the mirror, so this would seem like her getting power ("finally")(and that she has capacity, can be seen as demonic, her demonic magic can be now be detected, literally seen)
-ch38, pg18, she doesn't have wings, but asmodeus does, what the fuck, neither are in a sexual encounter so no this isn't a "wings show during sex" thing, they should be apparent (to viewer) if they have them, as asmodeus' are (ch1 clarifies asmodeus is powerful enough to perfectly hide it, why she isn't detected around ch38 by him, but is "detected" seen in the mirror by us, viewers)
-ch111, It's also just shock value, she never mentioned her past (which, with the past chapters in mind, there'd be no reason to, she's not hiding anything, anymore, as she's revealed she's a demon), but apparently now the past is worth mentioning (maybe because the sense of "reveal" went away, he knows she's a demon, uh okay, what else can we reveal, she had sex, uh... huh?)
Why does she act so shy? She doesn't value her chastity, why is she upset when he dislikes her promiscuity? ch112, it doesn't make sense, every sexual moment as far as I can recall she was shy, but in the past she isn't?
Actually, thinking about it, her shyness, timidity, whatever, is also probably another retcon, before ch101, she was legitimately shy, but after that it's some weird form of shyness that doesn't make sense
It's also with a single guy, not many, which is strange, what's the truth? Can she even recall every man she's slept with? Is it a "minimal" damage reveal of "Oh, 1 guy, and he's not a bad guy", like that makes it better? She used sex, her sex is deprived of intimacy the main guy thought existed, that's the issue, it's also uncovering sides to her the viewer and main guy never knew existed, which breaks the trust of the viewer, this flashback could've come way earlier, like beginning of ch10
Basically, my understanding:
Before: Succubus waiting for love, has no power, hasn't had sex as that gives power (is old)
After: Succubus wants love, has no power, cannot gain power, has sex (who knows how many times, is immortal age-wise)
[3/10], art carries heavy, had a hopeful 7/10 at ch100, after that awful boring part, thought it might become like the ch38 again, new place, new faces, new dynamics, nah, show her hoeing out, speak on that
(ch1-ch53) good spot to stop, all downhill forwards (7/10, arguably 10/10)
(ch54-83) okay, the only build up was the snails in his heart (Boring and a slog, 5/10)
(ch84-98) immensely boring (3/10)
(ch100) creates what the main guy and viewer see as intimate (7/10, was also where I stopped, cause goddamn I didn't want another boring part, but going forward looks to be)
(ch111) break the created intimacy, also break the viewer's trust, why was this held from the viewer, shock value, cheap and shallow (could've been a flashback like ch10, why not? I don't know, it's not good, that's why, 3/10)
ch+ baba whatever is planned out, we get what's gonna happen, then girl or whatever frozen in hell is probably "Satan's lover", I swear if this is true it's gonna be so, god, damn, lame, a "sacrifice the world for her guy", god
It does look to be completing so wait til it's complete
Came to check if ch111 was actually real, "knew" plot point of "virgin succubus"
Minor ramblings below, of what could have been, and destruction of a theme of the story, up to ch100 basically
-ch93, His power's described as on par with a demon lord, would've been cool if he awoke her power with that (As lame as it sounds, the first "love" succubus/demon (maybe turns her angelic, as lucifer is originally an angel, like instead of her bringing him down, he brings her up), which, maybe she'd be able to fight asmodeus, the "lust" succubus/demon, his main rival really), but nah, looks like she's just a regular non-magical demon (worthless, worse than human, like wtf)
Thought the theme was "despite what, it's who" (yes, she's a demon, but she's in search of love, """waiting""" for the man of her dreams), but now she's like any other succubus, sex is used and carries no intimacy, which, severely lowers a potential bond, "who" and "what" she is are beyond worthless as a partner
Also want to quickly mention how disconnected and inconsequential every part of the story feels
Defeat demon lord #1? Doesn't matter
Defeat demon lord #2? Doesn't matter
Demon lord has backstory? Doesn't matter (She's lesbian... So?)
Defeat demon lord #3? Doesn't matter (She'll be back anyway)(Oh ho you missed that one, try another!)
Defeat demon lord friend #4? Doesn't matter
She's almost dead? Doesn't matter
Met lucifer? Doesn't matter (Contrived "ya gotta meet em to save her")
Had sex? Doesn't matter
Nothing matters man, NOTHING, like shit everyone's a goddamn robot, even the robot in "Usuzumi no Hate" ch10 struck me deeper, and there's NO face (Teared up rereading it, "Welcome back Librarian, ...?, Is something wrong?" "You can just call me Ethan", FUCK)
Someone mentioned ch1 the mentor makes a gay comment and talked about "how far was this story planned", you don't have to plan around the moon to make a character gay then reveal it later, come on
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Just gonna leave one more message, why you might be troubled after ch111:
Ch111 contradicts ch3, ch38, ch100's shyness, and kills any joy from buildingup to ch100's payoff (read 111, 100, 38, then 3)
Ch111 contradicts theme of "Who" not "What"
(Main character having sex void of love, let alone in a romance story, is literally cart before the horse)
(Want to "know love"... right)
4 key points (Tiny spoilers, worth knowing before starting story), She uses sex, She has loveless sex, She's bi, Unknown number of past lovers (until story is complete)
Ch100 is treated as an accomplishment by the story, both confess love, are shy, have loving sex, his name is revealed, and her wings are shown in the mirror (contrasting ch38, led to believe she's now gained power? born without power, similar to born a virgin, but sex would change that)
*(ch100, I hated this when I first read, insanely unintimate, accusing he cheated, "don't stare", guilt-tripping, really? wtf)
*("Gantz" ch59, did this pretty well, not a virgin, but it's far more intimate)
*("Tokyo Ghoul:re" ch125, I'm not sure anything can really top it)
Ch111 removes the sense of accomplishment by showing her not shy, using sex, and having loveless sex
It's done in a humorous way, he says "There's clues here!, I have to know", to then her moaning (Gross, childish even)
"Records expunged" is contrived
Next chapter also parallels the loveless sex person with him
(Mitigation of "Only one client", "He's a good guy", and only showing it for "one page" doesn't help, similar to "one fling" with an ex (like wtf, seriously), if he was a bad person, and she hated it, then it'd be redeeming, but odds are opposite, she's embarrassed due to enjoying it)
Ch3 she says "You're just like me", after she asks if he's a virgin (her leading question), he says he is and wants to know love, "just" removes any nuance to "she was talking about love, not virginity", Satan says she's "Honest with her desires", led again to believe virgin comment, as it's said her search for love overtakes sexual desire, if she is a liar (beyond what we know) showing her thoughts and flashbacks contradict any trust between the viewer and character, ruins the writing
(Garbage mystery story: You see culprit's thoughts and flashbacks, but never the ones that reveal they did it, culprit knows they did it)
What remains?... name reveal, who, cares, subversion of virgin succubus is also gone, just a powerless demon, holy lame balls, not being a virgin had no reason to be beaten around, just tell the viewer, not 111 chapters in
Feels like writing didn't know where to go after ch100 (Erm... come on brain!, GASP, I've got It! bi and brothel!), even before that I can't remember any moment had me kicking my feet or being depressed, unlike majority of other romance stories, there's a severe lack of warmth
Could've had an immensely romantic message of "sex is not the goal but the culmination of intimacy", and instead of ch100 sex they cuddle to sleep, instead, I think the message is fight the patriachy or something
Still believe author is a woman, mentioned before "don't stare" in ch100 I believed to be implying "men can't get enough of me", ch111 reinforces that, "multiple men AND women can't get enough of me", feels like a complete "girlboss" chapter ffs, and no I'm not sexist, if I was, I'd be rate this story above 3/10 like Silent voice (Movie)
Ch111 contradicts ch3, ch38, ch100's shyness, and kills any joy from buildingup to ch100's payoff (read 111, 100, 38, then 3)
Ch111 contradicts theme of "Who" not "What"
(Main character having sex void of love, let alone in a romance story, is literally cart before the horse)
(Want to "know love"... right)
4 key points (Tiny spoilers, worth knowing before starting story), She uses sex, She has loveless sex, She's bi, Unknown number of past lovers (until story is complete)
Ch100 is treated as an accomplishment by the story, both confess love, are shy, have loving sex, his name is revealed, and her wings are shown in the mirror (contrasting ch38, led to believe she's now gained power? born without power, similar to born a virgin, but sex would change that)
*(ch100, I hated this when I first read, insanely unintimate, accusing he cheated, "don't stare", guilt-tripping, really? wtf)
*("Gantz" ch59, did this pretty well, not a virgin, but it's far more intimate)
*("Tokyo Ghoul:re" ch125, I'm not sure anything can really top it)
Ch111 removes the sense of accomplishment by showing her not shy, using sex, and having loveless sex
It's done in a humorous way, he says "There's clues here!, I have to know", to then her moaning (Gross, childish even)
"Records expunged" is contrived
Next chapter also parallels the loveless sex person with him
(Mitigation of "Only one client", "He's a good guy", and only showing it for "one page" doesn't help, similar to "one fling" with an ex (like wtf, seriously), if he was a bad person, and she hated it, then it'd be redeeming, but odds are opposite, she's embarrassed due to enjoying it)
Ch3 she says "You're just like me", after she asks if he's a virgin (her leading question), he says he is and wants to know love, "just" removes any nuance to "she was talking about love, not virginity", Satan says she's "Honest with her desires", led again to believe virgin comment, as it's said her search for love overtakes sexual desire, if she is a liar (beyond what we know) showing her thoughts and flashbacks contradict any trust between the viewer and character, ruins the writing
(Garbage mystery story: You see culprit's thoughts and flashbacks, but never the ones that reveal they did it, culprit knows they did it)
What remains?... name reveal, who, cares, subversion of virgin succubus is also gone, just a powerless demon, holy lame balls, not being a virgin had no reason to be beaten around, just tell the viewer, not 111 chapters in
Feels like writing didn't know where to go after ch100 (Erm... come on brain!, GASP, I've got It! bi and brothel!), even before that I can't remember any moment had me kicking my feet or being depressed, unlike majority of other romance stories, there's a severe lack of warmth
Could've had an immensely romantic message of "sex is not the goal but the culmination of intimacy", and instead of ch100 sex they cuddle to sleep, instead, I think the message is fight the patriachy or something
Still believe author is a woman, mentioned before "don't stare" in ch100 I believed to be implying "men can't get enough of me", ch111 reinforces that, "multiple men AND women can't get enough of me", feels like a complete "girlboss" chapter ffs, and no I'm not sexist, if I was, I'd be rate this story above 3/10 like Silent voice (Movie)
