Fate/Apocrypha - Vol. 8 Ch. 36.5 - Episode: 36.5 Paradise 2

[MangaDex]

 

[gaigous]

That tripping ability is no joke when you think about it.

 

[OmegaWanderer]

@gaigous All of Astolfo's NP's area actually really OP, he's just too dumb to properly use them (and the plot doens't particularly help him)

 

[trexboy164]

@OmegaWanderer
not really...
op nps are like EA his nps are a lot more convenient or resourceful if anything(excluding hippogriff) dematerialization on touch, magic resistance, and aoe sound attack and the hippogriff which would take a WAY too long to explain that's fine and all but doesn't really do anything against complete invincibility (excluding divine) 2 almost complete damage reduction, a walking nuclear bomb, a recreation of a floating sky temple that shoots beams of death, concentrated energy with enough power to blow up essential everything yeah they have there work cut out for them and I wouldn't call astolfo stupid stop that you meanie

 

[bosbarret]

If the golem could potentially gives salvation to humanity then what's the point of stopping it? Yes. It forcefully transforms the world into a Paradise where people can't kill, and some might be against that. But can an idea be considered evil when it comes from a will to improve humans and when the result are yet to be seen?
At least give us the reason why it was a bad idea! Don't gloss over it like "the golem's trying to change the world!? We must stop it!"

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Also this is not Lostbelt related. Lostbelt didn't exist in 2014.

 

[DukeHermann]

@bosbarret By the same reasons you stated yourself, the results are yet to be seen. Who knows if "no bloodshed allowed" actually prohibits all forms of violence, we might just become a race that solves their conflicts through ruthless blackmail and psychological scarring instead, if it does prohibit all forms of violence it may do that by robbing desires from humans, leaving them with no opinions or self interest to conflict with one another, becoming a species of walking vegetables. Just because someone has good intentions doesn't mean that their actions will result in something good, why trust the golem you met literally 2 minutes ago and that will destroy civilization if left unattended, the safest option is obviously to destroy it and preserve order as you know it instead of trusting the well intentioned extremist. There is no reason at all to support the golem, if he performs irreversible transformation of the world's logic by force he is not helping or improving humanity, he is just redefining it in the manner that their creator judged to be correct, avicebron is no different than goetia in this aspect, only differing in that he does not want to kill all of humanity before performing the reboot. If we use information that the characters did not have we can obtain even more reason to kill this golem as fast as possible, the damned thing doubles in size each hour, growing up to a thousand meters tall, how many people would be trampled by this murder machine, how many would be left alive to enjoy this "paradise" at the end of the world conversion? Essentially, because leaving someone to arbitrarily change the world is a terrible idea in the first place and the fact that there is no detailed knowledge in what the results will be, no golem supporters would ever appear among most human beings, the idea behind the golem being good or evil has nothing to do with taking the course of action with the greatest chance of continued survival of the species: killing all reality warpers like the dogs they are.

 

[BobBob]

THAT

MAN

DOESN'T

FEAR

GOD