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Fight Class 3 - Ch. 75 - Round 75: Not in Much of a Hurry
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@Starstorm1 check your inbox. I sent you the link.
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@shinratensei16 can i also get the link?
@Starstorm1 Yeah it's uncertin, just wanted to make it know that it doesn't appear that he has had no success, just that it hasn't been shown to us.
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@DontEatGlue Done!
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nice one, the way you put it makes me agree and concede.
I guess I just got bad memory with the weekly/monthly release.
nice one, the way you put it makes me agree and concede.
I guess I just got bad memory with the weekly/monthly release.
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I like the change in his personality but if they would slightly mix it with his normal personality it would be better 😍
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Ji-tae's faces this chapter makes my stomach turn a lot... his eyes look empty and heartless, but the way he talks to Maria is like he's looking for approval and validation for his actions... I dont think he cares about hurting others anymore, i just think that it hurt much much worse to think about Ji-hyun and the way Maria treats him otherwise
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@WillLi
“Because like I said, when we last saw the MC he wasn't broken yet, so there needed to be something more to tip him over the edge. Was it his friend saying something dumb? Was it someone trying to stab him in a fight? Did Maria say something awful? How are you okay with not knowing?”
Easily my biggest gripe with this chapter. Not getting to see that moment where he actually breaks is kind of annoying. That scene at the hospital was more him lamenting his weakness rather than breaking down into the psycho he seems to be now.
I do agree with the other guy on 1 thing though. MC hasn’t had any real success. Beating up street punks mostly off panel isn’t really something to brag about when your main target is the Defeating prodigy fighters who consistently beat your ass. Whenever it matters most consistently does fail.
“Because like I said, when we last saw the MC he wasn't broken yet, so there needed to be something more to tip him over the edge. Was it his friend saying something dumb? Was it someone trying to stab him in a fight? Did Maria say something awful? How are you okay with not knowing?”
Easily my biggest gripe with this chapter. Not getting to see that moment where he actually breaks is kind of annoying. That scene at the hospital was more him lamenting his weakness rather than breaking down into the psycho he seems to be now.
I do agree with the other guy on 1 thing though. MC hasn’t had any real success. Beating up street punks mostly off panel isn’t really something to brag about when your main target is the Defeating prodigy fighters who consistently beat your ass. Whenever it matters most consistently does fail.
@AnimationDude Normally wouldn't respond cause it's been a while, but reread my post, pretty sure I never said he had 'real success' I was just saying that "It doesn't seem like he has -always- failed." So there was some moments of success, not the ones he wanted, but he didn't fail at -everything- like one post was saying.
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Is this really it? I'm sorry but this sort of plot is just really not my type. It's that kind of undeniable circumstance that pushes an MC into insanity. Under the reason, or rather excuse of finding his sister, he'll resort to this kind of behaviour. Beating up a bunch of random people to death is going to make you strong? Maybe it might, but is it really worth it? Throwing your humanity away... is it really worth it? Is this the only way?
Furthermore, how do you even know your sister is alive? Or who she used to be? What if she's bloodthirsty and cruel, what if she's insane or half-dead? Is it really worth ruining yourself and forcing the people that care for you to watch your transformation? He honestly just turned into a psycho all of a sudden and we got no scenes of his change. No foreshadowing, no scene where you see him completely collapse, no nothing.
I don't get this guy. I really don't.
Furthermore, how do you even know your sister is alive? Or who she used to be? What if she's bloodthirsty and cruel, what if she's insane or half-dead? Is it really worth ruining yourself and forcing the people that care for you to watch your transformation? He honestly just turned into a psycho all of a sudden and we got no scenes of his change. No foreshadowing, no scene where you see him completely collapse, no nothing.
I don't get this guy. I really don't.
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Okay. @The_Crimson_Moon
1) An excuse implies that jitae has been wanting to hit guys with rocks forever, that’s he’s been wanting to explore this violent side and now he has a good excuse to do so. That would be correct, if the manhwa didn’t specifically show his hatred towards violence during his MMA fights, the fact that his teacher called him out on not wanting to hit people and this chapter being the first in 75 chapters where he has gone crazy to that extent. He hasn’t found a excuse, he’s found a reason to go all out.
2) yes, beating up thugs on the street is going to make him strong due to the specific skill set that Maria wanted him to improve that was outrightly stated in a previous chapter: “I’m not teaching you martial arts, I’m teaching you how to fight”. His end goal is fight class 3, where people people fight with no rules in vale tudo, therefore jitae needed to know how it feels to fight with someone who doesn’t use rules. His sister was kidnapped when he was child....at his mothers funeral where his grown martial art genius dad assaulted him giving him mental and psychological scars we still see. He blames himself for his sisters capturing and he has no idea how his dad has treated his sister, she could be dead or hurt or suffering......so yes, wanting to track down your little sister from the clutches of a crazy abusive parent is “worth” all of this. And this is only way , because no one can get to dae gak, this school flies outside of the law And it’s explicitly stated than there’s no other way to get to him except for joining fight class 3.
3) the chance that his sister may or may not be the same doesn’t make her life any less important or worthy of saving and yes, this sucks that his friends have to watch on, but as one of his friends said in the really early chapters, their friendship is watching over jitae and cheering him on in the path he chooses, not babysitting him.
4)as for the no “foreshadowing “ idea, read the manhwa again or even chapter 71-72 and you’ll find a mental breakdown, jitaes mentor, who he outrights views as his mum , humiliating him viciously when he was calling out for help because he was hurt, saying that he had been giving half assed fights and was a pathetic bastard. You’ll also find a great explanation as to why jitae fights. And him completely collapsing in the breakdown. If you don’t like the story or don’t like the manhwa that’s absolutely fine, but there was some build up that we have to acknowledge.
1) An excuse implies that jitae has been wanting to hit guys with rocks forever, that’s he’s been wanting to explore this violent side and now he has a good excuse to do so. That would be correct, if the manhwa didn’t specifically show his hatred towards violence during his MMA fights, the fact that his teacher called him out on not wanting to hit people and this chapter being the first in 75 chapters where he has gone crazy to that extent. He hasn’t found a excuse, he’s found a reason to go all out.
2) yes, beating up thugs on the street is going to make him strong due to the specific skill set that Maria wanted him to improve that was outrightly stated in a previous chapter: “I’m not teaching you martial arts, I’m teaching you how to fight”. His end goal is fight class 3, where people people fight with no rules in vale tudo, therefore jitae needed to know how it feels to fight with someone who doesn’t use rules. His sister was kidnapped when he was child....at his mothers funeral where his grown martial art genius dad assaulted him giving him mental and psychological scars we still see. He blames himself for his sisters capturing and he has no idea how his dad has treated his sister, she could be dead or hurt or suffering......so yes, wanting to track down your little sister from the clutches of a crazy abusive parent is “worth” all of this. And this is only way , because no one can get to dae gak, this school flies outside of the law And it’s explicitly stated than there’s no other way to get to him except for joining fight class 3.
3) the chance that his sister may or may not be the same doesn’t make her life any less important or worthy of saving and yes, this sucks that his friends have to watch on, but as one of his friends said in the really early chapters, their friendship is watching over jitae and cheering him on in the path he chooses, not babysitting him.
4)as for the no “foreshadowing “ idea, read the manhwa again or even chapter 71-72 and you’ll find a mental breakdown, jitaes mentor, who he outrights views as his mum , humiliating him viciously when he was calling out for help because he was hurt, saying that he had been giving half assed fights and was a pathetic bastard. You’ll also find a great explanation as to why jitae fights. And him completely collapsing in the breakdown. If you don’t like the story or don’t like the manhwa that’s absolutely fine, but there was some build up that we have to acknowledge.
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Let me clarify a few things. @Starstorm1
1&2) My point was that there's not much justification in him going around and beating up random people. The word excuse was used incorrectly and I apologize for that. What I meant by everything was that it was rather surprising to see him suddenly change into a completely different person. He has a strong conviction to rescue his sister and that is worthy of respect, but when he resorts to arbitrary violence that really can't be justified at all, especially when he hated it at one point... Well, I don't like it. You can support this sort of behaviour, sure, I don't care. If Maria's goal for him to fight on the street was to "need to know how it feels to fight with someone who doesn’t use rules" as you said, I think there could have been a better way to do this. Those thugs were probably not great people, in fact, they could have been the worst sort of people, but they could have also been people that were completely innocent. Innocent until proven guilty. Find garbage people and then beat them up. In my opinion, just indiscriminately going around and severely injuring strangers is a little over the top. Maybe he doesn't have enough time to go around and make sure the people he's beating up is trash, but honestly, this ruthlessness is just... It's quite painful to watch for someone like our MC who was so righteous and kind before.
2&3) I didn't mean that his sister's life isn't worth saving if she's changed into a horrible person. The fact remains that he blames himself for his sister's capture and will do anything to save her. All I'm trying to say is that it might not be worth it in the end. He will do it, he will continue on this path and he will continue to sink into the darkness. The end will most likely be all happily ever after, but perhaps he should consider other people other than his goal and his sister. Yes, saving his sister can only be done if he joins Fight Class 3. That doesn't mean he has to turn into a psychopath to do it. You do not need to lose all of your morality and humanity. Maybe this is a naive way of thinking, but the concept of integrity and fairness is naive. Honestly, I just wish he would think about other people for once. What about his friends? Yes, they are not his 'babysitters' but I think he's quite selfish in how he's behaving. Of course, his goals are important, but he pays zero thought to other people and is honestly blinded at this point... I'm pretty sure his friendships are going to be wrecked after this...
4) I disagree with you. The foreshadowing is either non-existent or lacking. There probably is some and I probably missed it but I don't think a 'little bit' is enough. You can disagree with me, that's fine. Furthermore, in 71-72, we do see a kind of breakdown, but we don't see the aftermath. By the aftermath, I mean, when we see his mindset change. In chapter 71 he wants to stop but Maria humiliates him so kind of a breakdown, I suppose. In 72 though which makes me really confused, he says he doesn't want to fight and then he goes like "I can only find my sister if I fight", so now we got strong resolve. So a bit of change in perspective here. Which is great. But then, he goes back to "why did it turn out this way? Why am I so weak" Okay, so we see here in 72 that he's still unsure about this whole business. But then starting at the end of chapter 74, he goes wack, especially in pages 5,6,7 for chapter 75. Like he was unsure, tired and depressed in 72 but now he's absolutely gaga and totally fine with violence in 75? Unless he's pretending or something, it's a little bit weird... Obviously, in the next chapters, he's changed completely, but I think the author could have done more in the transformation process. Frankly, I think there are places that could have been improved or are completely missing. Yes, I should have acknowledged the buildup in my other post, but I think there could have been more done. At least, I think we can agree that it was a little bit abrupt. Or if you don't, that's fine.
Again, if you have a different opinion, that's fine. I'm not trying to convince you or anything. In fact, thank you for presenting such a well-thought counter-argument, I really appreciate it. It's been a while since I've had a friendly debate 😃
1&2) My point was that there's not much justification in him going around and beating up random people. The word excuse was used incorrectly and I apologize for that. What I meant by everything was that it was rather surprising to see him suddenly change into a completely different person. He has a strong conviction to rescue his sister and that is worthy of respect, but when he resorts to arbitrary violence that really can't be justified at all, especially when he hated it at one point... Well, I don't like it. You can support this sort of behaviour, sure, I don't care. If Maria's goal for him to fight on the street was to "need to know how it feels to fight with someone who doesn’t use rules" as you said, I think there could have been a better way to do this. Those thugs were probably not great people, in fact, they could have been the worst sort of people, but they could have also been people that were completely innocent. Innocent until proven guilty. Find garbage people and then beat them up. In my opinion, just indiscriminately going around and severely injuring strangers is a little over the top. Maybe he doesn't have enough time to go around and make sure the people he's beating up is trash, but honestly, this ruthlessness is just... It's quite painful to watch for someone like our MC who was so righteous and kind before.
2&3) I didn't mean that his sister's life isn't worth saving if she's changed into a horrible person. The fact remains that he blames himself for his sister's capture and will do anything to save her. All I'm trying to say is that it might not be worth it in the end. He will do it, he will continue on this path and he will continue to sink into the darkness. The end will most likely be all happily ever after, but perhaps he should consider other people other than his goal and his sister. Yes, saving his sister can only be done if he joins Fight Class 3. That doesn't mean he has to turn into a psychopath to do it. You do not need to lose all of your morality and humanity. Maybe this is a naive way of thinking, but the concept of integrity and fairness is naive. Honestly, I just wish he would think about other people for once. What about his friends? Yes, they are not his 'babysitters' but I think he's quite selfish in how he's behaving. Of course, his goals are important, but he pays zero thought to other people and is honestly blinded at this point... I'm pretty sure his friendships are going to be wrecked after this...
4) I disagree with you. The foreshadowing is either non-existent or lacking. There probably is some and I probably missed it but I don't think a 'little bit' is enough. You can disagree with me, that's fine. Furthermore, in 71-72, we do see a kind of breakdown, but we don't see the aftermath. By the aftermath, I mean, when we see his mindset change. In chapter 71 he wants to stop but Maria humiliates him so kind of a breakdown, I suppose. In 72 though which makes me really confused, he says he doesn't want to fight and then he goes like "I can only find my sister if I fight", so now we got strong resolve. So a bit of change in perspective here. Which is great. But then, he goes back to "why did it turn out this way? Why am I so weak" Okay, so we see here in 72 that he's still unsure about this whole business. But then starting at the end of chapter 74, he goes wack, especially in pages 5,6,7 for chapter 75. Like he was unsure, tired and depressed in 72 but now he's absolutely gaga and totally fine with violence in 75? Unless he's pretending or something, it's a little bit weird... Obviously, in the next chapters, he's changed completely, but I think the author could have done more in the transformation process. Frankly, I think there are places that could have been improved or are completely missing. Yes, I should have acknowledged the buildup in my other post, but I think there could have been more done. At least, I think we can agree that it was a little bit abrupt. Or if you don't, that's fine.
Again, if you have a different opinion, that's fine. I'm not trying to convince you or anything. In fact, thank you for presenting such a well-thought counter-argument, I really appreciate it. It's been a while since I've had a friendly debate 😃
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1) I think you’re absolutely right in regards of there being no justification for his violence in terms of morality, but I believe that’s the point. Jitaes role isn’t to be the superhero like other MC’s, he’s not meant to think about the lives of others and how he can best interact with them. It’s a matter of morality/expectations vs the cruel reality. You’re right, jitae shouldn’t have to lose his kindness, his goodness and everything that made him who he was. But the reality is, he’s fighting with Maria to accomplish his goals and includes fight class 3 which includes vale tudo fights which ultimately end in death, furthermore he’s helping Maria in her goal which is the brutal murder of his dad. The expectation of his niceness and his kind heart can’t coexist with the reality of him having to, further down the line, fight to the death and very possibly kill someone. It’s sad and painful to watch but it’s the reality he’s facing, he can’t kill people and then say he’s nice.
2) I think one of the painful things is that he probably knows his sister might not be the same, that it might not be worth it, but Maria says that: she’s says that there’s a higher chance of finding her as opposed to sticking up his posters. He knows all he has is a chance but its a higher chance and considering that he truly does blame himself, he’ll take it. And again, to do with him having to think about others, this is again a matter of expectations vs reality. Jitae probably should think of his friends, but he’s not in the right mindset to do so its the impossibility of niceness I was talking about. As for humanity, he’s fighting with the end goal of retrieving his sister, in order to do that he needs to reach fight class 3 and complete in vale tudo, humanity goes out the window when you’re fighting to kill people. I don’t think you’re naive, I think you’re just a good person who dislikes this change like anyone would but jitae isn’t trying to please us, he’s trying to get his sister back. That’s what 72 was supposed to represent, the ending of his niceness. He realises that he can’t get anywhere with it, he can’t survive in this world of death-matches with kindness. For example he would’ve won the fight had he stabbed young joong but he didn’t and ultimately it ended in his failure. I think that’s he’s decided to stop being “weak “ in his mind, so with that...nice jitae disappears.
4) as for foreshadowing I think it primarily comes down to interpretation. I for one believe there’s been plenty of content which exposes his violent side when he doesn’t get what he wants : him thinking about asking Maria to kill/injure his classmates and the bully situation. He went wild and he didn’t stop it, he said that the more his fights the angrier he gets and that he wants to “kill” them. Also I think the biggest thing with this foreshadowing is the continuation of the idea of failure, he’s done nothing but lose to everyone, he failed his exam, lost all of his ranking matches and failed against the bullies and this one failure, the one where he could’ve defeated young joon but didn’t and where Maria was horrible to him set him off. It showed him that he can’t survive in this world unless he becomes just like them. Yes it’s sad and painful bits he’s only 16 and his main influence is Maria fucking dacascos of all people🤣. Interestingly, see the connection between him now and Maria in her first year. I believe he’s just trying to survive and he’s realising it’s a dog eat dog world, anything less than being a dog is failure and defeat and as Maria said : defeat can lead to death beyond humiliation and dishonour .
Also, thanks for the counter too, it’s nice to argue with someone with good points.
1) I think you’re absolutely right in regards of there being no justification for his violence in terms of morality, but I believe that’s the point. Jitaes role isn’t to be the superhero like other MC’s, he’s not meant to think about the lives of others and how he can best interact with them. It’s a matter of morality/expectations vs the cruel reality. You’re right, jitae shouldn’t have to lose his kindness, his goodness and everything that made him who he was. But the reality is, he’s fighting with Maria to accomplish his goals and includes fight class 3 which includes vale tudo fights which ultimately end in death, furthermore he’s helping Maria in her goal which is the brutal murder of his dad. The expectation of his niceness and his kind heart can’t coexist with the reality of him having to, further down the line, fight to the death and very possibly kill someone. It’s sad and painful to watch but it’s the reality he’s facing, he can’t kill people and then say he’s nice.
2) I think one of the painful things is that he probably knows his sister might not be the same, that it might not be worth it, but Maria says that: she’s says that there’s a higher chance of finding her as opposed to sticking up his posters. He knows all he has is a chance but its a higher chance and considering that he truly does blame himself, he’ll take it. And again, to do with him having to think about others, this is again a matter of expectations vs reality. Jitae probably should think of his friends, but he’s not in the right mindset to do so its the impossibility of niceness I was talking about. As for humanity, he’s fighting with the end goal of retrieving his sister, in order to do that he needs to reach fight class 3 and complete in vale tudo, humanity goes out the window when you’re fighting to kill people. I don’t think you’re naive, I think you’re just a good person who dislikes this change like anyone would but jitae isn’t trying to please us, he’s trying to get his sister back. That’s what 72 was supposed to represent, the ending of his niceness. He realises that he can’t get anywhere with it, he can’t survive in this world of death-matches with kindness. For example he would’ve won the fight had he stabbed young joong but he didn’t and ultimately it ended in his failure. I think that’s he’s decided to stop being “weak “ in his mind, so with that...nice jitae disappears.
4) as for foreshadowing I think it primarily comes down to interpretation. I for one believe there’s been plenty of content which exposes his violent side when he doesn’t get what he wants : him thinking about asking Maria to kill/injure his classmates and the bully situation. He went wild and he didn’t stop it, he said that the more his fights the angrier he gets and that he wants to “kill” them. Also I think the biggest thing with this foreshadowing is the continuation of the idea of failure, he’s done nothing but lose to everyone, he failed his exam, lost all of his ranking matches and failed against the bullies and this one failure, the one where he could’ve defeated young joon but didn’t and where Maria was horrible to him set him off. It showed him that he can’t survive in this world unless he becomes just like them. Yes it’s sad and painful bits he’s only 16 and his main influence is Maria fucking dacascos of all people🤣. Interestingly, see the connection between him now and Maria in her first year. I believe he’s just trying to survive and he’s realising it’s a dog eat dog world, anything less than being a dog is failure and defeat and as Maria said : defeat can lead to death beyond humiliation and dishonour .
Also, thanks for the counter too, it’s nice to argue with someone with good points.
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Honestly, all of your arguments make perfect sense and I think I know that. But I just don't like his changes... Gosh, this is pretty painful for me...
I find it agonizing to read these types of stories but I still read them anyways. There's probably something wrong with me 🤣
Thanks again for the oppositional speech.
Honestly, all of your arguments make perfect sense and I think I know that. But I just don't like his changes... Gosh, this is pretty painful for me...
I find it agonizing to read these types of stories but I still read them anyways. There's probably something wrong with me 🤣
Thanks again for the oppositional speech.
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Thanks. The story is kinda dark and I feel that 2hakkk may have hidden it with comedy and good fights and characters, so now that’s dyed down, there’s nothing to hide just how terrifying this whole situation is, like Maria and jitae are 17/18 and 16 respectively. And they’re going around picking street-fights for the goal of training to fight people to the death. This is painful to watch. But again, there isn’t anything wrong with you, the manhwa can honestly get disturbing but it’s also pretty brilliant. It may be worth continuing on with 👍.
Thanks. The story is kinda dark and I feel that 2hakkk may have hidden it with comedy and good fights and characters, so now that’s dyed down, there’s nothing to hide just how terrifying this whole situation is, like Maria and jitae are 17/18 and 16 respectively. And they’re going around picking street-fights for the goal of training to fight people to the death. This is painful to watch. But again, there isn’t anything wrong with you, the manhwa can honestly get disturbing but it’s also pretty brilliant. It may be worth continuing on with 👍.
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How is street fighting productive training other than it has no rules? You're basically just beating up people who don't know how to fight. Compare a street bum to a person who has professional training in combat sports, doesn't the latter acually know how to fight more efficient and optimized because that is literally what they do?
Feels like the manhwa is just being edgy, as if the messaging was strong = psychopath.
Feels like the manhwa is just being edgy, as if the messaging was strong = psychopath.
