Futoku no Guild - Vol. 15 Ch. 90 - A Place To See You Clearly

[galaxia9]

Excellent strategy with the sun illusion. For a manga that, on the surface, looks like it'll be all about lewd things, the author really has created some amazing characters with great depth and intelligence.

And then we get some beautiful time with Chikaeru at the end. I wish she could have stayed around. Maybe San found her and was able to keep her sanity. She deserves a chance to see if something can blossom with Seiten.

 

[Jadeite_McSwag]

Oh yeah the police that were there to arrest him and that were hired to cover up the murder after they pinned it on him? that would helped a lot!

Nope they were actually trying to find out why his wife was murdered on their own, just like Hem in the previous comment points out

No innocents died nor where harmed in the raid, in fact as far as casualties go, we only have the guy that was turned into a tree at most his revenge has been extremely lackluster

Lol, this just isn't true. He sent a giant horde of monsters to just attack everyone over 40, and the white mage admitted many died.

It's just a fact innocent and unrelated people died from such a widescale attack too, and when MC tells mole man this, he even acknowledges that it's true.

 

[dw123456]

Bunch of dorks overanalysing the shitty ass shonen arc in the big tits and ass tentacle manga after the author got bored of big tits and ass and is now speedrunning for cancellation.

 

[Hem]

Nope they were actually trying to find out why his wife was murdered on their own, just like Hem in the previous comment points out

Lol, this just isn't true. He sent a giant horde of monsters to just attack everyone over 40, and the white mage admitted many died.

It's just a fact innocent and unrelated people died from such a widescale attack too, and when MC tells mole man this, he even acknowledges that it's true.

Honestly, it's my fault for using too many words in my post, even if most of the parts he forgot were points 1 and 2.

I don't really fault him for forgetting stuff though, this Arc has been like a year+ for us... and the author wasn't hyper focusing on the Civvy deaths...
I still don't get how people can be super cool with the unrelated guards that died for no reason (or the young monsters that Hadesman brainwashed to "hug humans" so he could send them to die... Like how the old people lied and misled the young people to be cautious of Hadesman and eventually murder Fone).

I shall now end my time of being terminally online for the day~

 

[PrecureHunter]

1) The Singular Village and the "oldfolk" are the ones that started acting against Hadesman, they enlisted younger people to do a "under the table" type job by lying to them or misleading them that Hadesman was an evil monster.
The larger government / greater power structure of humanity had no clue, which is why the old people had to resort to murdering Fone and hiding their actions.

2) The police women didn't show up to attack Hadesman, they were investigating and would have taken Hadesman's side after seeing the truth with time magic.
This does NOT guarantee the old people would be punished as much as Hademan would like, but it DOES mean Hadesman could have at least TRIED to let human law settle it before he decided to attack the village and harm unrelated people (which as stated by someone else here, Hadesman WAITED to harm LESS innocents because he was thankful to the police women).

This translation might be a bit off, but Hadesman isn't stupid - he's been educated and has lived WITH humans IN human society, he should know that killing a human would make him and his "family" targets for extermination.

This was a family suicide OR he actually intended to kill the old folk even if innocents had to die THEN continue killing every human that came after him and his family for the rest of his life.

Honestly, I thought Hadesman planned to die after getting revenge on the oldfolk which is a bit more noble than "Yeah, I'll just keep killing humans forever until they give up on trying to exterminate us" (If Kredim's translation is correct).

But I do admit that Hadesman being resolved to protect his family after getting revenge (even if it means he'll become the enemy of humanity) and not just kill himself and let them become mindless monsters to be wiped out is pretty responsible of him too...

Well whatever, He decided to answer violence to innocents (Old folk killing Fone) by doing a mass attack that also included the lives of innocents, so while HE DID have the moral highroad, he sank to their level in the end.


Hadesman DID indeed try to avoid killing unrelated humans whenever possible, but a lot of guards he killed were unrelated and just trying to protect the village - not to mention people that died because of the ground collapsing, building damage, power loss, civilians "guilty" of being old enough to be targeted directly by the monsters but not actually involved in the exile of Hadesman or the scheme to kill Fone, etc

I don't blame him and because of our perspective as readers to see ALL of the details in a story, he does invoke more empathy than the old folk BY FAR.


Those spirit hands are the remaining thoughts/mana/perhaps bits of the soul left by the dead.
That's why they wanted to find Fone's remaining spirit to try calming Hadesman.

Edit:
Oh wait, you're talking about the blackhands in the Volume extras? That's just the author being a pervert. He likely isn't allowed to (and it would be a REALLY BAD IDEA for sales) show the girls getting "messed up"(a gentle way of putting it) by human men. Especially before Kikuru has had the chance to do it.
Maybe they might show up in the main story at some point too? We'll see... It IS comedy after-all.

yeah, it was kinda dumb... i was just somehow stuck with the thought of "why is Toki controlling them?"

 

[Forikorder]

@Doomroar oh, your trolling

 

[nalti10]

Any manga recommendation like this? I really love this and Tsugumomo.. one perfectly balanced porn, and plot

It's less plot based but still has the futoku no guild feel, I suggest Exorcist wa Midara ni Aragau

 

[kohakusan]

This manga didn't need to go this hard but I appreciate it, it's such nice storytelling (even with this arc dragging quite a bit), it's still a great arc.

 

[oricalco]

Very nice and epic conclusion, even if Seitens new power feel a bit ass-pulley I guess its the best way this arc could have ended, hope they figure out a way to save the monsters but I can also understand having them die to show why Hadesman went down the wrong path with his revenge.

 

[Doomroar]

Nope they were actually trying to find out why his wife was murdered on their own, just like Hem in the previous comment points out

Lol, this just isn't true. He sent a giant horde of monsters to just attack everyone over 40, and the white mage admitted many died.

It's just a fact innocent and unrelated people died from such a widescale attack too, and when MC tells mole man this, he even acknowledges that it's true.

Because everyone over 40 is guilty they are literally the group that conspired to kick him out and then kill his wife, they are not innocent not unrelated

The police were not there to arrest him, they were there to investigate.

Even if those TWO POLICEWOMEN THERE WITHOUT PERMISSION BTW were going there to ARREST HIM WITHOUT ORDERS TO DO SO, when they LOOKED INTO THE PAST BECAUSE THEY WERE THERE TO INVESTIGATE BECAUSE THEY PERSONALLY THOUGHT THE CIRCUMSTANCES WERE SUSPICIOUS they would have tried exposing the truth... KIND OF WHAT LIKE HAPPENED IN THIS MANGA.

Hadesman rejected using human laws to punish the oldfolk, right or wrong.
Honestly, I doubt they would be punished in a way that satisfied him.

Because they wont be punished they get away with everything, and the illusion Ace has to make amends by burning them on hot water along with himself, then the authorities were about to once again hide the whole event under the table, but since Phoenixacu and the World Tree intervened they had to release the story as is, even if none of the villagers had to pay for anything of what they did, more over the World Tree then goes out of his way to punish the gods that got in the way of interfering with the revenge



So no working with the 2 cops was not the answer

 

[Jadeite_McSwag]

Because everyone over 40 is guilty they are literally the group that conspired to kick him out and then kill his wife, they are not innocent not unrelated

The village committee people were the ones who killed his wife and went after him, the ones who he kept alive to torture. The general people over 40 were just those who were 20+ when he was kicked out and exiled. There's no way literally every single person who was 20+ then turned against him, and as MC pointed out there were undoubtedly people who didn't even live there back then and moved there at some point after. And during the widescale monster attack there was also very likely people who got injured or killed who were under 40 and just got caught up in the chaos, like if they tried to protect their parents or something.

 

[Hem]

The village committee people were the ones who killed his wife and went after him, the ones who he kept alive to torture. The general people over 40 were just those who were 20+ when he was kicked out and exiled. There's no way literally every single person who was 20+ then turned against him, and as MC pointed out there were undoubtedly people who didn't even live there back then and moved there at some point after. And during the widescale monster attack there was also very likely people who got injured or killed who were under 40 and just got caught up in the chaos, like if they tried to protect their parents or something.

Thank you

Because everyone over 40 is guilty they are literally the group that conspired to kick him out and then kill his wife, they are not innocent not unrelated






Because they wont be punished they get away with everything, and the illusion Ace has to make amends by burning them on hot water along with himself, then the authorities were about to once again hide the whole event under the table, but since Phoenixacu and the World Tree intervened they had to release the story as is, even if none of the villagers had to pay for anything of what they did, more over the World Tree then goes out of his way to punish the gods that got in the way of interfering with the revenge



So no working with the 2 cops was not the answer

There still had to be tourists in town...and... imagine this... what if new people moved into that town over the years... people that weren't like...3 years old... but even older working age people and old people that retired to move closer to their families?

 

[Doomroar]

The village committee people were the ones who killed his wife and went after him, the ones who he kept alive to torture. The general people over 40 were just those who were 20+ when he was kicked out and exiled. There's no way literally every single person who was 20+ then turned against him, and as MC pointed out there were undoubtedly people who didn't even live there back then and moved there at some point after. And during the widescale monster attack there was also very likely people who got injured or killed who were under 40 and just got caught up in the chaos, like if they tried to protect their parents or something.

Every single person over 20 turned against him because they all agreed to the council corruption, that's why the revenge was aimed at the whole generation

Thank you

There still had to be tourists in town...and... imagine this... what if new people moved into that town over the years... people that weren't like...3 years old... but even older working age people and old people that retired to move closer to their families?

Again none of those hypotheticals matter, bringing imaginary nonexistent victims and planting them into the story just to alter the narrative is a waste of time

 

[kamishiniyari]

lmao i think I'll need to read the entire fight and the reasoning behind from the beginning, this shit took too long and i already forgot why this fight got so convoluted.

 

[Hem]

Every single person over 20 turned against him because they all agreed to the council corruption, that's why the revenge was aimed at the whole generation



Again none of those hypotheticals matter, bringing imaginary nonexistent victims and planting them into the story just to alter the narrative is a waste of time

The (now) old person that ran the orphanage wasn't against him, his opinion was simply overruled by the angry mob.

But of course "No humans ever move for work or other reasons (another example, someone from another village married into that village and moved to lived there with their new family), every single tourist and worker over age 40 left immediately after the festival was over - 0 stragglers for any reason, and anything the characters in the story themselves say to contradict this is WRONG."

Glad to have you here! I guess you're better than the people that whine because they didn't see a titty in a chapter.

 

[Doomroar]

The (now) old person that ran the orphanage wasn't against him, his opinion was simply overruled by the angry mob.

But of course "No humans ever move for work or other reasons (another example, someone from another village married into that village and moved to lived there with their new family), every single tourist and worker over age 40 left immediately after the festival was over - 0 stragglers for any reason, and anything the characters in the story themselves say to contradict this is WRONG."

Glad to have you here! I guess you're better than the people that whine because they didn't see a titty in a chapter.

Yes we have no confirmation that any old people joined the village after, and as a matter of fact the protagonist accusations


Will be proven false because the only humans that got hurt out of this entire raid are the psycho that was turned into a tree, and the old villagers at the hand of Ace they themselves hired and tricked


Maybe you should keep arguing with people complaining about titties instead of trying to invent victim ghost moving into the village and getting hurt that don't exist

 

[Hem]

Yes we have no confirmation that any old people joined the village after, and as a matter of fact the protagonist accusations


Will be proven false because the only humans that got hurt out of this entire raid are the psycho that was turned into a tree, and the old villagers at the hand of Ace they themselves hired and tricked


Maybe you should keep arguing with people complaining about titties instead of trying to invent victim ghost moving into the village and getting hurt that don't exist

Maybe you should read the manga and see the the randos in the village that got "hugged" by the monsters brain washed by Hadesman ON panel, it's fine for you to ignore the words that are hard to read and remember but at least look at the pretty pictures the mangaka drew for you.

Spoiler

Spoiler: Big spoiler for the next few chapters

And if you're reading ahead - The gods revived the innocents AFTERWARDS, they still died. Hence needing to be revived.

 

[Giga]

It isn't an insult. It's fine if you have different moral beliefs. But if you're unreceptive to what the author has to say, why are you even reading this anymore?

lol You said what you said, got a fitting response, and now you act like you don't know what you said. Thus you feign moderation as if it's been your position from the start.

It may be something novel and worthwhile to you, but this kind of rhetorical silliness is utterly trite to me.

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1) The Singular Village and the "oldfolk" are the ones that started acting against Hadesman, they enlisted younger people to do a "under the table" type job by lying to them or misleading them that Hadesman was an evil monster.
The larger government / greater power structure of humanity had no clue, which is why the old people had to resort to murdering Fone and hiding their actions.

Spoiler: For length

That, they did. However, I do not think you're characterizing any of those people (save the greater government) properly. First, I remember the villagers not needing very much conditioning by the elders to turn against Hadesman--he got exiled, after all, and there was virtually no one among them that contested the attendant general sentiment. After that, the people directly responsible for Fone's murder were clearly unrepentant killers that relished bloodshed--particularly the one Kimujina got. (Kimujina's doing that guy in, BTW, is the only instance of justice attained by Fone and Hadesman before Hadesman was himself murdered.)

But let's say there were other "younger people" "misled" by the village elders to hunt Hadesman--I do remember others being identified. What part of that necessitated Fone's death? What part of it justified her murder? In all the time they had to think about what it was they were commissioned to do, they didn't even once think about what it actually meant: they'd be murdering an innocent, and they didn't care. Indeed--they didn't care until someone made them care. Not even the illusionist, until he was forced to face his own sin...and that, in turn was only until the pedophile MC offered him comfort in camaraderie--toward the end of murdering the individual left behind by that illusionist's first wetwork. He wasn't all that troubled once that came to pass--because he went from begging for death to reprising his original role of accessory to murder.

Finally, "had to resort"? You make it sound as if what those village elders sought was justifiable.

2) The police women didn't show up to attack Hadesman, they were investigating and would have taken Hadesman's side after seeing the truth with time magic.
This does NOT guarantee the old people would be punished as much as Hademan would like, but it DOES mean Hadesman could have at least TRIED to let human law settle it before he decided to attack the village and harm unrelated people (which as stated by someone else here, Hadesman WAITED to harm LESS innocents because he was thankful to the police women).

Spoiler: For length

To be clear, when I spoke of [society's] officials, I wasn't talking about the officer and the time mage. I was talking about the "guards" (more like state-sanctioned goons) who took it upon themselves to finish the hit on Hadesman, like Kikuru and True--who offered nothing more to Hadesman's situation than a moment of navelgazing and the enabling of his woman's murderer to end him as well. Speaking of letting the rule of law settle the matter, exactly when was he supposed to try that? Before or after the lesser arbiters of the law had Fone killed? Now, don't get me wrong: I've said it before--I, myself, don't agree with the indiscriminate nature of Hadesman's retaliation. However, given his position--why should he care enough to avoid collateral damage any more than he already was trying to (which, as you said, he was)?

No one cared about the specifics when Hadesman failed to meet their expectations in the past.

No one cared about the details when the monster repellent system ostensibly marked him as hostile.

Just how much consideration--even after having been bereaved through murder--did he still owe those people?

This translation might be a bit off, but Hadesman isn't stupid - he's been educated and has lived WITH humans IN human society, he should know that killing a human would make him and his "family" targets for extermination.

This was a family suicide OR he actually intended to kill the old folk even if innocents had to die THEN continue killing every human that came after him and his family for the rest of his life.

Spoiler: For length

I also disagreed with Hadesman's usage of his lesser subordinates as fodder--I must say that. There's no justifying that, and with his power over the earth on which people lived, it wasn't necessary.

That said, Hadesman was already marked at least as an "undesirable" by the powers that be--though on a local level. With how that sentiment spread like wildfire without any substantial resistance, how much more would you expect from the greater government? Weren't you the one who cogently described Hadesman's status as divinity as actually being less than whenever it suited those who conferred that regard? (You or someone else.) Hadesman went from "god" to plague in an relative instant--everything you said was inevitable, even if he sat on his hands and said that he "just wanted to be left alone".

Well whatever, He decided to answer violence to innocents (Old folk killing Fone) by doing a mass attack that also included the lives of innocents, so while HE DID have the moral highroad, he sank to their level in the end.

Hadesman DID indeed try to avoid killing unrelated humans whenever possible, but a lot of guards he killed were unrelated and just trying to protect the village - not to mention people that died because of the ground collapsing, building damage, power loss, civilians "guilty" of being old enough to be targeted directly by the monsters but not actually involved in the exile of Hadesman or the scheme to kill Fone, etc

I don't blame him and because of our perspective as readers to see ALL of the details in a story, he does invoke more empathy than the old folk BY FAR.

Spoiler: For length

Like I said, I regard the indiscrimination of his retaliation as unjust. I absolutely disagree with the idea that it brought him down to those village elders' level, though. Taken superficially, you have the elders' murder of Fone--an innocent--on one hand, and you have Hadesman's mass-murder of unrelated bystanders--themselves innocent of what the people of that village did, and they can be considered equivalent by such a superficial framework.

Equivalent, but only if you ignore the details. The elders had the specific intent to kill Fone; Hadesman's aim was to retaliate against those who killed Fone. If his aim was as directed and full of intent as the elders', it's very likely that the only people who'd have survived his first attack would have been Shock and anyone of comparable ability.

Speaking of Shock...he refused to help from the start. It wasn't without cause: that refusal effectively qualified the morality of the people those "guards" wanted him to help protect.

 

[Hem]

"The larger government / greater power structure of humanity had no clue, which is why the old people had to resort to murdering Fone and hiding their actions."

Finally, "had to resort"? You make it sound as if what those village elders sought was justifiable.

I was saying the old people were hiding their actions because they knew they were in the wrong.
They may have truly believed that Hadesman was plotting revenge though, but that's not enough to kill Fone who presumably was innocent.

I guess you can take Hadesman's actions as fair and fine if you operate under the idea that "they attacked Hadesman first and they would eventually try to attack him again - so he was just finishing the fight and freeing himself from his aggressors (though he would likely gain all of humanity as his new aggressors in the process)."

But Hadesman lied to some of the young monsters and sent them to die as a fodder and was resolved for innocents to die as collateral damage while getting revenge in the same way the old folk were fine with deceiving others because they feared retaliation from Hadesman (and perhaps even feared any backlash from the youngfolk getting the real story and thinking their elders were in the wrong) - for the original wrongful+ungrateful exile and then their murder of Fone (which they then also began to fear LEGAL repercussions and now needed to keep other PEOPLE under their thumb and further pressured them to put an end to Hadesman before a full investigation could be requested by an outsider thinking it was strange or an insider having regrets).


Honestly, I don't care that much about who's right and who's wrong.
Both sides had flaws, I'm heavily leaning towards the "Hadesman faction" as being the most "righteous" as the author intended though.

 

[Doomroar]

Maybe you should read the manga and see the the randos in the village that got "hugged" by the monsters brain washed by Hadesman ON panel, it's fine for you to ignore the words that are hard to read and remember but at least look at the pretty pictures the mangaka drew for you.

Spoiler

Spoiler: Big spoiler for the next few chapters

And if you're reading ahead - The gods revived the innocents AFTERWARDS, they still died. Hence needing to be revived.

The only innocents revived were

Part of Hades family anyway, none of the innocent villagers since there were none