Futoku no Guild - Vol. 15 Ch. 90 - A Place To See You Clearly

[genogar]

That Megasu content was much needed after so much serious story.

 

[Veruschka]

Any manga recommendation like this? I really love this and Tsugumomo.. one perfectly balanced porn, and plot

 

[BobBob]

Seiten finishing things is fantastic. Poor Chikaeru. And Horaigon and Kimujina. Hadesman's revenge cost too much. It's great how everyone helped in the end.

 

[ipmanvsthemask]

Thanks for the chapter, Kredim.

---

Thus the writing craters. It's not a surprise, as the story's events were headed in this direction--and because the essence of this entire incident is actually common to JP writing (or, at least, it has been for a while): if you, in innocence and especially in virtue, are trespassed against to any degree, keep your grievances to yourself and accept your mistreatment in silence. This idea is behind the fact that you can find many writers--like Hiro Mashima and Matsuena Shun--treat lethal violence like the ultimate sin unless it's a villain doing the killing to a protagonist or someone that otherwise isn't evil. Then, they become quite enthusiastic about the act--or even anything leading up to it, whether it results in death or not. To put it simply, JP authors tend to love their villains and hate their heroes; which is actually a reflection of the state mainstream society (West or East) has been in for more than a decade, now.

And so you see it here: everyone's favorite boylusting pedo Kikuru actually enlisted the aid of the accessory to Fone's murder to facilitate the killing of Hadesman. Worse, and in the style of one of the aforementioned authors, Hadesman's demeanor takes a sudden 90° turn, with his justified anger being depicted as mere mindless hate that he just has to let go of--since he just can't bear it anymore. The moralizing here is so flagrant, it'd be impressive if the author didn't torpedo his otherwise good writing to engage in it. Either way, it's disgusting.

Spoiler: For length

Then again, maybe that shift in Hadesman's demeanor is justified after all:

・The humans he truly loved turned on him over a miserably simplistic interpretation of a woeful incident
・They then killed his beloved woman over it
・There was no recourse for Hadesman regarding it because the only people he could go to for such recourse were the ones who commissioned the murder in the first place
・The circumstances were such that his very antipathy toward any human (i.e., the murderers alone) would have Hadesman branded a mindless threat to humanity by an indiscriminate monster repellent system
・The society that killed Hadesman's beloved sent its officials to kill him, too
・Those officials managed to guilt-trip a number of Hadesman's friends into turning traitor
・The officials used the power that murdered his beloved to attack him despite hearing the confession of that power's owner to aiding in Fone's murder

After that, why bother? The message Hadesman was surely getting was the same one this author, like his peers, was sending to the reader.

That said, I suspect that this was also done for yet another attempt at generating pathos in the reader: in keeping with the aforementioned state of society, people don't see value in a story in which the good guy wins anymore--they're far more interested in the villains or in stories of misery.

Bro, just don't read this shit if the moral lessons are this triggering to you.

 

[Jadeite_McSwag]

Any manga recommendation like this? I really love this and Tsugumomo.. one perfectly balanced porn, and plot

shinju no nectar is peak like these two

 

[Feytas]

I know, but there was supposed to be more warning, he suddenly determined the time only a few hours before it happened

Look, i don't know why you're so eager to tell there's a connection between Phoenizaku's punishment with Hadesman's revenge, but as fas as i read this manga, there's no connection at all. It's just a coincidence that Phoenizaku's punishment happen at the same time as Hadesman's revenge.

And, this is my opinion, maybe the Author itself want the MC's group have a "feeling of urgency", where they need to solve this conflict as fast as possible, giving this arc more dramatic story.

 

[komedy27u]

I had forgotten this was erotica. Thanks for the chapter!

 

[albirew]

kikuru's toughs in that split moment:
"well, i'm dead"
* hitamukyannon♥ happening *
"oof! what's happening?"
"i know these boobz..." hiahuki...!?

 

[Excel-01]

Look, i don't know why you're so eager to tell there's a connection between Phoenizaku's punishment with Hadesman's revenge, but as fas as i read this manga, there's no connection at all. It's just a coincidence that Phoenizaku's punishment happen at the same time as Hadesman's revenge.

And, this is my opinion, maybe the Author itself want the MC's group have a "feeling of urgency", where they need to solve this conflict as fast as possible, giving this arc more dramatic story.

Spoiler

Fyi, it's not a coincidence but an interference from third party. Phoenizaku would still give out the punishment, he would have done it in a much fairer way. BUT... Something else had interfered and suddenly have it perfectly timed to this incident.

And the culprit is none other than The World Tree itself, a separate entity from the gods, and one that is still even to this day hostile to humanity as a whole. The gods still would rather humans existed but not this tree. I think the hostility came from how it got attacked once (nukes) and now still held the grudge.

 

[Doomroar]

So cool man. Can I become a forest god with the power of misunderstanding and socially awkwardness, if I start living in a forest?

Only if a bunch of geriatric bastards kill your wife, exile you, then hire a bunch of mercs to kill once you decide to fight back, but before they do you in, you gotta listen to them admonishing you and telling you how the right thing to do was to roll over and let villagers get away with their bullshit, because by trying to get revenge you actually were in the wrong all along

Then you can be a forest god, is a fair deal

 

[Giga]

Bro, just don't read this shit if the moral lessons are this triggering to you.

Take your own "advice".

 

[savris]

“I do not think of you as a victim”

Good thing the medieval equivalent of Twitter/Tik Tok doesn’t exist, otherwise even in a wartime situation, saying this would cause more anger and hate than all the evil, murder, and death they have committed so far.

Straight facts. Those people of the "we are totally the love, peace and progression" side are all for the things they say they are not (pillaging, murder, death, r@pe) if you don't share every last belief that their "inclusive and peace loving" religion mandates. They'd legit side with demons and xenomorphs if only to spite all the people with normal, rational views.

 

[Wildfire_desu]

damn, hadesman got soulkiller'd
rip bozo, then.

 

[Jadeite_McSwag]

then hire a bunch of mercs to kill once you decide to fight back,

because by trying to get revenge you actually were in the wrong all along

He unleashed monsters on an entire city which undoubtedly caused unrelated people and innocents to die. MC plainly explained it to him as such before they fought.

He was also initially going to do it during a festival where there'd be tons of innocent people from other cities too, but only backed out because the police officer attacked him lol

 

[ipmanvsthemask]

Take your own "advice".

It isn't an insult. It's fine if you have different moral beliefs. But if you're unreceptive to what the author has to say, why are you even reading this anymore?

 

[Forikorder]

Only if a bunch of geriatric bastards kill your wife, exile you, then hire a bunch of mercs to kill once you decide to fight back, but before they do you in, you gotta listen to them admonishing you and telling you how the right thing to do was to roll over and let villagers get away with their bullshit, because by trying to get revenge you actually were in the wrong all along

Then you can be a forest god, is a fair deal

he did have the chance to just go to the police, would have been easy to get all of them convicted and then he wouldnt have had to force the other innocent named to be killed as well

 

[99Renny99]

thanks for the scanlation

 

[Hem]

Thanks for the chapter, Kredim.

---

Thus the writing craters. It's not a surprise, as the story's events were headed in this direction--and because the essence of this entire incident is actually common to JP writing (or, at least, it has been for a while): if you, in innocence and especially in virtue, are trespassed against to any degree, keep your grievances to yourself and accept your mistreatment in silence. This idea is behind the fact that you can find many writers--like Hiro Mashima and Matsuena Shun--treat lethal violence like the ultimate sin unless it's a villain doing the killing to a protagonist or someone that otherwise isn't evil. Then, they become quite enthusiastic about the act--or even anything leading up to it, whether it results in death or not. To put it simply, JP authors tend to love their villains and hate their heroes; which is actually a reflection of the state mainstream society (West or East) has been in for more than a decade, now.

And so you see it here: everyone's favorite boylusting pedo Kikuru actually enlisted the aid of the accessory to Fone's murder to facilitate the killing of Hadesman. Worse, and in the style of one of the aforementioned authors, Hadesman's demeanor takes a sudden 90° turn, with his justified anger being depicted as mere mindless hate that he just has to let go of--since he just can't bear it anymore. The moralizing here is so flagrant, it'd be impressive if the author didn't torpedo his otherwise good writing to engage in it. Either way, it's disgusting.

Spoiler: For length

Then again, maybe that shift in Hadesman's demeanor is justified after all:

・The humans he truly loved turned on him over a miserably simplistic interpretation of a woeful incident
・They then killed his beloved woman over it
・There was no recourse for Hadesman regarding it because the only people he could go to for such recourse were the ones who commissioned the murder in the first place
・The circumstances were such that his very antipathy toward any human (i.e., the murderers alone) would have Hadesman branded a mindless threat to humanity by an indiscriminate monster repellent system
・The society that killed Hadesman's beloved sent its officials to kill him, too
・Those officials managed to guilt-trip a number of Hadesman's friends into turning traitor
・The officials used the power that murdered his beloved to attack him despite hearing the confession of that power's owner to aiding in Fone's murder

After that, why bother? The message Hadesman was surely getting was the same one this author, like his peers, was sending to the reader.

That said, I suspect that this was also done for yet another attempt at generating pathos in the reader: in keeping with the aforementioned state of society, people don't see value in a story in which the good guy wins anymore--they're far more interested in the villains or in stories of misery.

I get that Hadesman had a turnaround because he finally realized, that he was leading all his friends to their death in his quest for revenge. That he never thought of what may happen to them as he was going around punishing the people unrelated to the actual murder because of ease.

I just hope that when they go back after the fight they destroy the village elders such that they have consequences. And not just for the
murder of 1 girl but for the murder of all the "monsters" that were caused by their actions.

1) The Singular Village and the "oldfolk" are the ones that started acting against Hadesman, they enlisted younger people to do a "under the table" type job by lying to them or misleading them that Hadesman was an evil monster.
The larger government / greater power structure of humanity had no clue, which is why the old people had to resort to murdering Fone and hiding their actions.

2) The police women didn't show up to attack Hadesman, they were investigating and would have taken Hadesman's side after seeing the truth with time magic.
This does NOT guarantee the old people would be punished as much as Hademan would like, but it DOES mean Hadesman could have at least TRIED to let human law settle it before he decided to attack the village and harm unrelated people (which as stated by someone else here, Hadesman WAITED to harm LESS innocents because he was thankful to the police women).

This translation might be a bit off, but Hadesman isn't stupid - he's been educated and has lived WITH humans IN human society, he should know that killing a human would make him and his "family" targets for extermination.

This was a family suicide OR he actually intended to kill the old folk even if innocents had to die THEN continue killing every human that came after him and his family for the rest of his life.

Honestly, I thought Hadesman planned to die after getting revenge on the oldfolk which is a bit more noble than "Yeah, I'll just keep killing humans forever until they give up on trying to exterminate us" (If Kredim's translation is correct).

But I do admit that Hadesman being resolved to protect his family after getting revenge (even if it means he'll become the enemy of humanity) and not just kill himself and let them become mindless monsters to be wiped out is pretty responsible of him too...

Well whatever, He decided to answer violence to innocents (Old folk killing Fone) by doing a mass attack that also included the lives of innocents, so while HE DID have the moral highroad, he sank to their level in the end.


Hadesman DID indeed try to avoid killing unrelated humans whenever possible, but a lot of guards he killed were unrelated and just trying to protect the village - not to mention people that died because of the ground collapsing, building damage, power loss, civilians "guilty" of being old enough to be targeted directly by the monsters but not actually involved in the exile of Hadesman or the scheme to kill Fone, etc

I don't blame him and because of our perspective as readers to see ALL of the details in a story, he does invoke more empathy than the old folk BY FAR.

i dont have many problems with the lenght of the fight per se, maybe one chapter could have been removed or other reworked to accomodate said chapter, but otherwise its okay, just the nature of monthly manga and long arcs.
maybe some chapters from before hadesman fight could have been removed too.


this is kinda stupid and unimportant but... can anyone remind me about the "lore" in the preview for the black hands? i thought they were like an automatic force of nature to censor things but in this preview Toki seemed to control them

Those spirit hands are the remaining thoughts/mana/perhaps bits of the soul left by the dead.
That's why they wanted to find Fone's remaining spirit to try calming Hadesman.

Edit:
Oh wait, you're talking about the blackhands in the Volume extras? That's just the author being a pervert. He likely isn't allowed to (and it would be a REALLY BAD IDEA for sales) show the girls getting "messed up"(a gentle way of putting it) by human men. Especially before Kikuru has had the chance to do it.
Maybe they might show up in the main story at some point too? We'll see... It IS comedy after-all.

 

[Doomroar]

he did have the chance to just go to the police, would have been easy to get all of them convicted and then he wouldnt have had to force the other innocent named to be killed as well

Oh yeah the police that were there to arrest him and that were hired to cover up the murder after they pinned it on him? that would helped a lot!

He unleashed monsters on an entire city which undoubtedly caused unrelated people and innocents to die. MC plainly explained it to him as such before they fought.

No innocents died nor where harmed in the raid, in fact as far as casualties go, we only have the guy that was turned into a tree at most his revenge has been extremely lackluster

He was also initially going to do it during a festival where there'd be tons of innocent people from other cities too, but only backed out because the police officer attacked him lol

He should have done what the World Tree failed to do and nuke the whole city along with the tourist, give em a reminder of why they are having the festival was in the first place, in fact that city in and on itself should have gotten erased from the map on the day of judgement

 

[Hem]

Oh yeah the police that were there to arrest him and that were hired to cover up the murder after they pinned it on him? that would helped a lot!


No innocents died nor where harmed in the raid, in fact as far as casualties go, we only have the guy that was turned into a tree at most his revenge has been extremely lackluster

He should have done what the World Tree failed to do and nuke the whole city along with the tourist, give em a reminder of why they are having the festival was in the first place, in fact that city in and on itself should have gotten erased from the map on the day of judgement

The police were not there to arrest him, they were there to investigate.

Even if those TWO POLICEWOMEN THERE WITHOUT PERMISSION BTW were going there to ARREST HIM WITHOUT ORDERS TO DO SO, when they LOOKED INTO THE PAST BECAUSE THEY WERE THERE TO INVESTIGATE BECAUSE THEY PERSONALLY THOUGHT THE CIRCUMSTANCES WERE SUSPICIOUS they would have tried exposing the truth... KIND OF WHAT LIKE HAPPENED IN THIS MANGA.

Hadesman rejected using human laws to punish the oldfolk, right or wrong.
Honestly, I doubt they would be punished in a way that satisfied him.