Gal☆Cleaning!

[mismarca]

meh... still not buying this saviour plot bullshit.

 

[FredFriendly]

@smoke82 Perhaps getting published in a hentai mag was his objective all along, but no publisher would give him a chance so he decided to draw a gang rape scene in this series to prove that he can do it.

 

[BloodySorcerer]

@CoolOtamegane I claim bullshit on those stats!
How can popcorn sellers amount to only 6% of the total, when the watchers pretty much control the market here? I have personally bought enough popcorn to cover for at least 7% myself!
As for these chapters, i still don't see the reason to be that butthurt over it. Some series do it far worse and have way less people preaching and throwing a fit.

 

[Ranzo]

I'd be interested in seeing how you can do it worse
Going from a innocent dumb comedy thing to a three chapter rape sequence flashback, it would take real talent to make that worse, bar making it four chapters.

 

[Akemua]

@BloodySorcerer - That's not the reason as to why so many people are mad. If you went into Bezerk and after 7 chapters not understood how fucked up it is, then your an idiot. So, when Guts gets cucked and the demons go raping and pillaging, it's not a surprise nor a shot out of left field. The first 7 chapters of this was literally a derpy, ecchi slice of life with some cleaning tips; and an OCD mc getting caught up in a clueless sexy gyaru's flow. But then, out of nowhere, boom, we get a flashback with a very detailed and explicit rape ( at the very least only thing missing is penetration) scene for 3 chapters. Then, it's followed up by a cleaning joke and her thrown in the dumpster. If you can't see the issue in that, then I frankly have no idea what to say.

The reason these manga's exist in the first place is for vanilla(ish) wish fulfillment and almost non-existent drama. Or, at the very least, no heavy drama like cheating, raping, tragedy, etc etc.

 

[BloodySorcerer]

@Akemua I see, so it's a case of entitlement from people who cannot accept anything outside estabilished patterns. You do know that it's actually very common for some series to change dramatically over time right? Series like Rave Master and Gintama started as mere comedy with some adventure elements and became true action/fantasy with some tragedy and heavy topics later on.
The only real difference here is that in this series the author used a very problematic topic.

 

[Akemua]

@BloodySorcerer - Glad to know you read everything I said and took it out of context. I mean, how does "change dramatically over time" equate to "rape out of nowhere" on a vanilla no drama manga? It doesn't, that's why.

And seriously, how sad is it that you are claiming readers to be entitled. You sound like those idiots over at Kotaku and Polygon.

Irony about your point of Gintama and Rave Masters is that, they ALWAYS had serious themes. They also just threw in jokes and slapstick comedy on top of it. They were/are shounen manga's. At the very least, they had a serious plot. This did not.

Again, it wasn't JUST tha rape itself that pissed people off. The fact you can't understand that is honestly baffling.

 

[BloodySorcerer]

@Akemua Yes they are entitled. People seem to think that only the big companies and main journalism outlets are in the wrong(and they are indeed outrageously wrong), but that is a grave mistake because even the normal people are being absurd these days. The problem lies on pretty much everyone thinking they are gods that know everything. Worst of all, for some reason everyone is an expert in politics nowadays.I don't even know why do we need to vote, anyone could become a president, I mean they know it all about left, right, center, liberals and conservatives. Hell I'm doing that now, I can definitely command this world better than every country's leader out there!!!

As for this line right here: "I mean, how does "change dramatically over time" equate to "rape out of nowhere"" there's literally only one difference, the theme.
It may have happened over time on Gintama, but the changes were out of nowhere in Rave Master. Yes, the series was slowly getting more serious as time went by, but most of the tragedy happens in the last arc where things speed up mostrously fast, the series had already become serious at this point but it was still within the normal action levels, with almost 0 tragedies, everyone was still alive, evil was defeated and was starting to change ways... In the last big arc however the enemy's power level skyrocket way too fast and then we had deaths piling up at an absurd rate. It wasn't bad because it was expected due to how powerful the new villains were, but it was an extremely sudden change(enemies were hardly killed before it, as it was a battle between ideologies and not an actual war). Same as Sora no Otoshimono and most of that authors work, where the changes come way too fast. Especially so in Sora no Otoshimono because it was a "nonsense comedy" series for about 70% of it's chapters.

Since it was a flashback arc in this one, a normal person could easily understand it as a one time thing. Why? Because it happened in the past, and it's an event that explains how two characters meet each other. I said it before and I'll say this again, regardless of the quality of the chapters or the authors choices, whether right or wrong. It was nowhere near the level of outrage these chapters recieved. It's as if no one even knew what rape was before the author put it in pages, and were outraged as if these things never happend in real life.

 

[Akemua]

@BloodySorcerer - Dude, literally by your own statements, you're entitled to how you think people are reacting to this. You don't think it was bad and think that your opinions should matter more then everyone else and talk shit about them. That's really weird that to try and make a point, you go and admit your doing the exact same thing your complaining about...

As for your basically pointless second paragraph, you're still trying to compare apples to oranges. This was NEVER meant to be a serious manga. NOT EVER. That does not mean it can't have "serious" themes and parts in the story. But the problem is, this is basically an eechi Hallmark channel story. The worst thing that you should expect to happen in this genre, is you get a misunderstanding and think your gf was cheating on you. Not have a very detailed rape scene that gets played off by a cleaning joke. I fail to understand why you have trouble understanding this.

The final boss in Rave Master was teased the moment he became a "Rave Master" and found Ellie. Seriously, within the first 50 chapters they talk about the Stellar Memories and what could happen to reality if he doesn't collect the Rave and beat his enemies. That is not my fault that you could not read the underlying tones and meanings. And at worst, it was terrible pacing and maybe the author was in threat of being axed. He did something similar in Fairy Tail. Even though Acnologia and Zereph had been talked about like crazy, they just came out of nowhere. In Gintama's first episode they talk about and show alien invaders and how they have taken over Japan/the world. Pretty dang serious if you ask me. So what if it is based more on comedy then action? If the story itself is based on a serious plot but it only shows when things get "serious", it does not mean the premise and story itself just changed to be more serious. Heavens Lost Property also was teased like crazy about an asshole god enslaving the valkyrie's when nymph came. I mean, that was literally her arc when Tomoki was trying to break her collar that enslaved her.

So, no, none of those are even remotely comparable to what happened in this particular manga. Quit trying to over-reach when the stuff you're saying has nothing to do with what happened and why people are outraged.

 

[DarcknightX]

man this manga was trash from the beginning.

Tbh though there's nothing wrong with the development, people are just triggered because they thought it would just stay as a typical gal romcom.

The current rating is lower than it should be because of that, although it is pretty terrible overall.

 

[F15H]

Finally the end of rape namec?

 

[Not-Ak-not]

How do we clean away the smut genre tag that someone stained this manga with?!??!

 

[BloodySorcerer]

@Akemua Underlying tones? You probably read Rave master long ago and don't really remember the story, because the first few arcs were 100% comedy and nonsense comedy at that. Where both Haru and his enemies had ridiculously comic powers and battles ended with only the enemies becoming the butt of the joke, even the characters/countries names were stupid. Those Underlying tones of yours only came into being later, after the story was totally overhauled in later arcs, the changes were notoriously obvious and sudden at that. The amount of jokes were reduced, the clown-like enemies disappeared, the big bad stopped acting stupid, the series became another thing entirely.
I remember I was close to dropping the series back then, before the story changed like that. And only after this change did the author actually add those precious underlying tones of yours, by inserting the backstory about Sighart, enhancing Shiba's background and adding a whole tragic backstory to Elie who had no memories of her past(You can't use this as an excuse because her actual past was centuries old, as she has the looks and few past memories of only a decade, in no scene was it ever implied that she was a priestess several decades ago, much on the contrary, she was only ever shown as being a normal girl before then, a clear case of retcon in her origin story).

Also those underlying tones DOES NOT explain that last arc. During most of the series the plot and even the backstory has always shown the rave stone to be as powerful as the Dark Brings and only the Rave Masters could actually hope to face them. Gale filled that role perfectly as the main Dark Bring user, he was an extremely powerful opponent unrivaled by any other character, and only after mastering the Rave stone did Haru gain enough power to face him. In the last arc however the author retcons this fact and shows the Dark Brings as being outrageously powerful, so powerful in fact that the Rave stone only serves to allow their users to merely protect themselves and survive. Like I said, the story changed a freaking lot, and no there were no underlying tones to predic this, this time around.

The author CAN change the whole theme of the story at will and he does not need any previous setup to pull this off, as long as he properly changes the tone for the rest of the story and include other serious themes after this chapter to add enough background to it. This is possible because some stories don't really have an actual plot.
Like here, where the manga didn't really have a proper story and was just about the special cleaning of the day.
An example of this is Sket Dance, where the manga started of as pure comedy until the author decided on adding a proper story to it, and just like here he did this by the use of tragic flashback arcs to explain the reasons behind each characters personality and the reason why bosun created the Sket Dan club.

This rape flashback arc can be used to set the tone for future arcs, and just like i said dozens of times, they are exactly the same kind of thing that was used on Rave Master, and many other stories. THe only difference is that a problematic topic was used, instead of a more common tragic background. This is the author setting an "underlying tone". And yes he may have added this arc merely out of spite for getting this series cancelled, but like I said it can be used to expand his story. Most changes in setting to most series start this way. Sket Dance started off with the MC trio's background story, Rave Master, did this by adding more detail and fixing the overrall quality of the characters, Naruto did this by timeskipping and adding an actual "villains"(as in, enemies that definitely need to be defeated for some bigger purpose, as before Akatsuki we only had a random pick of local enemy bosses, or that one apprentice that had gone wrong(Orochimaru), they were random enemies that were not actually related to the big bad in any way and hed their own agendas to fufill) in a story that had none, in order to tie in with Sasuke's background.

 

[BloodySorcerer]

Remember this, not all authors plan their series plot ahead of time. Some develop their story as they realease it's chapters, Bleach is one such series, Kubo Tite had only planned until the Soul Society arc, and had to asspull the rest of the story, you can clearly see the results as the later arcs were totally different in tone compared to the earlier ones, and many of the earlier themes were dropped in the process. Some however are planned ahead of time, Like one piece, in which the author always leaves some random elements here and there to allows us a glimpse of what he is planning to use later on.(all relics related to that past event no one remembers about, the "D." name which seems to be related to pretty much everything, that whole Joker arc which shows us that Akuma no Mi fruits can be upgraded, which may be the key to saving Luffy in the future as he fights by spending his life force, which was explained all the way back in the water seven arc, and only now is starting to be relevant).
This is the main reason why I'm saying that the people are outraging more than this rape arc deserves, because there are many ways to tell a story, and even a weak and forced arc such as this can be used to tell a good story later on. Pay special attention to the fact that I never said people were wrong in not liking the arc, and only that their reaction was exagerated. I acknowledge that this was a bad move, however as bad as it was it does not warrant the insults or the "It was good now it's complete unsalvageable garbage" people have been throwing around

 

[Phuocphuc46]

Well, at least the rating stays at a healthy 3.91

 

[Chabert]

@Nivek, Ok, thanks for the source ! Well, that's mean of his part.

 

[rayandikaa]

the "almost get raped" scene ruin this manga rating ?

 

[Isekaijin]

Wow, too many chapters to explain why the girl liked him, which could have been vaguely implied in a couple of panels.

 

[b0n3t0u3]

This really didn't deserve the rating bombing that it got...

 

[Jackladd]

This is a fucking masterpiece