Gimai Seikatsu - Vol. 4 Ch. 21.2

[phorx]

Hahaha, wow. You people are hilarious. You so desperately want this to be an innocent recommendation from the professor that you are deluding yourselves and stooping to insults.

She’s a normal person. She hasn’t been living as a nun, she’s interacted with guys before. You’re suggesting that there’s some kind of completely platonic activity that she could be doing with other guys that would serve the purpose of figuring out if she’s interested in her stepbrother. That doesn’t exist.

In what scenarios do you imagine a girl that age would be “interacting with men” in a new way that’s she’s not already doing if it’s not dating or going to mixers? She already goes to a co-ed high school and has a job where she interacts with men. Going to karaoke with classmates of both genders? Sorry, that’s also a mixer. She‘s not stupid, she knows that when she’s invited to things like that it’s because the guys are interested in her.

I don’t want to see her with other guys either but this is just a (pretty heavy handed) plot device by the author to keep them apart longer. That professor had no business talking to her in the first place.

 

[WeabooExtract]

This is an ethics violation. Regardless of the content of her speech, she is giving this unsolicited "advice" to a minor, without consent from a guardian, under the guise of "research". Illegal.

 

[ActuallyArma]

She hasn’t been living as a nun, she’s interacted with guys before.

Because she hasn't. Not on a personal level, anyways. She keeps guys at a distance because she doesn't have any trust in them and it has been said as such in previous chapters and reiterated again here.

But when have you ever even shared a close relationship with another man aside from him

Which she doesn't have an answer for. It's then backed up by

There coincidentally happened to be only one member of the opposite sex in your immediate vicinity, so you happened to fall in love with him. Can you confidently say that this isn't true?

In what scenarios do you imagine a girl that age would be “interacting with men” in a new way that’s she’s not already doing if it’s not dating or going to mixers? She already goes to a co-ed high school and has a job where she interacts with men.

Actually, you know, being friends with them? Which isn't the norm for her since she keeps them at arms length and then some. Both shown here in the manga, and in the LN that this is derived from.

She actually never has attended get togethers up until this point and would instead deny them. Whether it's studying, karaoke. Things a normal teenager would do. The closest thing is when she brought that other girl to their home. Aside from that? Nothing.

That's why she's suggested to interact with other people. It doesn't mean to get close or be intimate with them. It means to actually interact and make friends. The professor isn't all "LOL you should totally blow them behind a convenience store xD lmao"

 

[phorx]

Actually, you know, being friends with them? Which isn't the norm for her since she keeps them at arms length and then some. Both shown here in the manga, and in the LN that this is derived from.

So you’re suggesting that this girl who doesn’t trust guys can approach them and form a friendship without the guy having any thoughts of romance? Get a clue, she’s too good looking for that unless the guy isn’t into girls.

That's why she's suggested to interact with other people. It doesn't mean to get close or be intimate with them. It means to actually interact and make friends. The professor isn't all "LOL you should totally blow them behind a convenience store xD lmao"

You love to exaggerate. I said date, that’s it.

That said, the professor is sus as fuck. Imagine if it was a guy giving her that advice. It was grooming, plain and simple.

 

[cokelemon]

The comments section... The professor did specify that it didn't have to be romantic. It's also good advice to meet new people so you don't get stuck in a bubble. Just like normal people. The first person you fall in love with isnt necessarily the best person for you.

 

[ActuallyArma]

So you’re suggesting that this girl who doesn’t trust guys can approach them and form a friendship without the guy having any thoughts of romance? Get a clue, she’s too good looking for that unless the guy isn’t into girls.

Which is why the professor says to try interacting. She's not saying to date them, or to approach them with that sort of intention. Just to interact. Could someone she interacts with catch feelings? Sure. That's not the goal here, though.

The goal is just to see if she feels the same way with them as she does MC. That way she can discern "I have feelings for MC" or "Oh, I just felt this way because I lowered my guard for once". One doesn't need to date someone to determine that, right?

That said, the professor is sus as fuck. Imagine if it was a guy giving her that advice. It was grooming, plain and simple.

I am 100% with you there. Professor is pushing advice too far with someone she just met and isn't particularly close to. Though show of hands for anyone surprised with how "normal" that seems to be in manga or LN's.

 

[ItsThatBriGuy]

Reminder that sensei studies ethics. She doesn't necessarily get any on her.

 

[ItsThatBriGuy]

This is "heavy-handed, the character", starring in "heavy-handed, the chapter". How annoying. Hopefully she doesn't show up again, and we can actually focus on the main characters instead.

This is her second substantial appearance in the series (though the first was much more consequential in the novel than here). She becomes something of a life coach for Ayase and somehow even manages to engineer a meetup with Asamura when he goes on his own uni tour weekend the following year. She's a barnacle.

 

[phorx]

This is her second substantial appearance in the series (though the first was much more consequential in the novel than here).

Spoiler

She becomes something of a life coach for Ayase and somehow even manages to engineer a meetup with Asamura when he goes on his own uni tour weekend the following year. She's a barnacle. [/ISPOILER]

Spoiler

I’m very sorry to hear that they are a recurring character. Also, how did that happen on Asamura’s uni tour if that’s a women’s-only university?

 

[ItsThatBriGuy]

Spoiler

I’m very sorry to hear that they are a recurring character. Also, how did that happen on Asamura’s uni tour if that’s a women’s-only university?

Spoiler

She very conveniently just happened to be visiting her mentor there who very conveniently just happened to be starting up a program tailor-made to his interests as someone keen on understanding human relationships but used to viewing things in a somewhat impersonal and fairly systemic fashion.

 

[cksn]

muh ethics

this manga pretending to be serious sure is working on a lot of you people

 

[savetheprince]

sensei of the campus, what is your wisdom

 

[owlsnowy]

The people saying that you can't have a close friendship with a girl as a guy without it being based on the premise of dating or vise versa seems to me to be the reason women choose the bear over the man.

 

[phorx]

The people saying that you can't have a close friendship with a girl as a guy without it being based on the premise of dating or vise versa seems to me to be the reason women choose the bear over the man.

It’s possible, but it requires a lot of diligence and frankly if she’s a smokeshow like Saki it’s incredibly difficult, especially for a teenage guy. Also if she’s avoiding guys at school and she suddenly starts talking to a guy, of course they’re going to get their hopes up.

I’ve seen people say that she can just “interact” with guys that’s got no romantic overtones but both sides would have to be on the same page for that to work. Even if such an imaginary situation would be possible, I don’t think it would help Saki to understand her feelings. She has to get close to be able to compare.

If only she talked to the teacher from Oregairu instead of that professor.

 

[owlsnowy]

It’s possible, but it requires a lot of diligence and frankly if she’s a smokeshow like Saki it’s incredibly difficult, especially for a teenage guy. Also if she’s avoiding guys at school and she suddenly starts talking to a guy, of course they’re going to get their hopes up.

I’ve seen people say that she can just “interact” with guys that’s got no romantic overtones but both sides would have to be on the same page for that to work. Even if such an imaginary situation would be possible, I don’t think it would help Saki to understand her feelings. She has to get close to be able to compare.

If only she talked to the teacher from Oregairu instead of that professor.

I'm not saying it's an instant thing and i don't think that's even what was written in the chapter atleast from my perspective it was interact with more people and learn about more people.

Relationships take time to establish and foster trust I agree with that. However there's a difference between talking to a singular guy and showing interest in them and not just keeping all guys at an arms reach from my perspective.

If someone sees a girl interacting with people in general in the same ways and goes "Clearly that person is interested in me and wants a romantic relationship" then that's an entirely different issue.

 

[Asheron]

this manga pretending to be serious sure is working on a lot of you people

The LN is the same. Just much much much more verbose.

 

[lemurmoo]

Nah, I don't think too highly of this supposed professor. First off, studying sociology or whatever the fuck she is doesn't necessarily make you the expert on human life. It surely didn't teach her basic manners or any ability at all to allow quite literally the personality of Ayase or the senpai for anybody to give her a time of day. Somebody else like a therapist would probably have the better skill set. Second, there's a complete lack of pragmatism in her statements. In life, you don't really get that many chances for certain things to happen. Sometimes you just miss one window, and you don't really ever get it back again. For the workaholic Japanese, high school is just one chance, and after college, there's generally no chance for many people to meet new people. We're literally seeing that currently, so does she really just have unlimited time to just bond with x amount of people just to figure this out? Even though there's basically no guarantee that that will give her any answers either.

The problem is that attraction is also temporary, but that doesn't mean that attraction is fake. Sometimes people get attracted to a flash in the pan, and you get into a relationship just for that person to essentially solidify themselves. Relationships and time change people, and meeting new people will basically change that person irrevocably. If you still like that person, that's great, but it becomes something else entirely. Years might've passed. Preferences or even temperament or their ability to trust might've all changed. Telling a person to immediately just change a dynamic is, therefore, equivalent to telling that person to give up on the current state of things.

I know the story will basically frame it as a good thing, but most people in any life basically don't get to experience genuine love and care, so people who've never achieved that shouldn't dissuade others when that thing is basically right in front of them. They're just being sunking corpses, dragging others in with them.

 

[BanzaiYuri]

Author realized they fucked their own story so decided to fuck it even harder with gwen shapiro the heavy-handed incest morality professor

 

[ohms]

There’s so many ethical failures happening in this chapter.

Not sure if you’re in love? Go date a bunch of guys you’re not interested in… what? She was basically just told to sabotage the relationship.

You sure didn't read the chapter since she literally told her that "I told you to interact but it's doesn't mean getting a boyfriend".

Way to be off the mark entirely.

 

[phorx]

You sure didn't read the chapter since she literally told her that "I told you to interact but it's doesn't mean getting a boyfriend".

Way to be off the mark entirely.

Way to enter the conversation a week later.

Who said “boyfriend“? You must be an idiot if you think that incredibly inappropriate conversation with the professor was suggesting anything but her dating a few different guys to see if it feels different than when she’s with her stepbrother. She works and goes to a coed school, she “interacts“ plenty with other guys. Dating is the only ”interaction“ that she’s not already doing.