Hachinan tte, Sore wa Nai Deshou! - Vol. 8 Ch. 44

[Halo]

Kinda getting tired of the MC being pushed around.
At this rate, all doujinshi are going to be about some old dudes cucking him.

 

[jonsmth]

@mahtan

The part about the money is just a bad excuse to maintain the status quo and you know it. The reasons given are stupid and unrealistic.

The stated reason was that they fear that their own families will plot against them to take their money. The girls have no say in it since they can't go independent. The guy fears that he'll get assassinated. Better the money go to the person they serve than to their own families.

Also, it isn't just for the status quo. Having a reputation can affect your daily life, from people gossiping about you, to outright harassment. These are people who got rewarded with money from most of the national budget. There will be skeptical and envious people - and envy can lead to violence.

There is one reason to say no, the best reason there is for it, he doesn't want to do it.

You're right, but that has a reason too - it's mostly because he didn't want to have to deal with his own family.

As he said himself there is no bound between him and his family, there is no reason for him to do something he doesn't want to for them is there is nothing forcing his hand and in this case there isn't one.

This wasn't for MC's family, it was for the margrave's family. The margrave's family was responsible for the subjugation of the area, which they failed at. They predict that a hundred years in the future, the undead that were left unchecked would grow too strong and become a catastrophe. The margrave's family will be blamed for it. Also, according to that conversation, only MC and his fiancee has magic that can cull the undead. And you know what they say about having great power.

Heck for most of the manga there is no reason for him to do anything he doesn't want to

The reason I imagine would be that it would be troublesome in the future to refuse either the king, the church, and his own godfather. Magic and assets aren't the only things he inherited from his master. One such thing was his master's item bag. While the bag was his master's, the contents aren't.

@cor3zone

Well, there's also the fact that Wendelin feels he's being coerced

This is what everyone means when they mention "power dynamics". Simply having seniority or being in a position of (higher) authority will make the other party less likely to refuse requests. It's passive coercion. Well, in Wendelin's case, he did get persuaded into it.

Implying it's fine since they faced the golem army is an iffy argument, in my opinion.

If it's just holding off endless waves of enemies with little to no sentience, I think the party is good enough to stall them.
Perhaps the risk would be if there are strong individuals among the undead. It also doesn't help that the members of the horde are varied.

 

[cor3zone]

@jonsmth Thing about power dynamics: it works with raw power as well, not just political, social or financial. And Baumeister is the most powerful individual yet, IIRC. And vastly wealthy now, as well. He has the clout to refuse all but royal requests, IMO. He just doesn't have the personality, being cursed to live as a Japanese fictional protagonist.😊

Prefacing your statement with "If ..." is a big no-no. I can think of a thousand scenarios where the party will be just fine. I can also think of a thousand where they won't. It depends on the situation. Which was my (and Baumeister's) entire point: saying they should agree because there's little danger is stupid, because there might be mortal danger even for them.

 

[jonsmth]

@cor3zone

Thing about power dynamics: it works with raw power as well, not just political, social or financial

That's probably why the margrave, despite being older and of a higher rank, has to persuade him.
It's usually more likely that the more powerful one isn't even aware of the power dynamics and is unknowingly coercing others.
The pressure would be felt by the lesser one, and will act prudently and/or submissively.
In this exchange, both parties see it fit to not abuse their inherent leverages.
There's no reason for Wendelin strain their relationship for a trivial reason too (and the margrave will owe him a favor on top of that).

saying they should agree because there's little danger

I don't think I ever said that one. I don't think I was implying it either.
Rather than the request being too dangerous for them to handle it, I'm just saying that they probably have a decent chance at it. They shouldn't agree to take the request with that alone, but it's one less reason for them to refuse. They even have a basic battle plan laid out.

The particular situation to which his master was placed in was that he was in charge of protecting a lord and the lives of many soldiers. I could imagine him falling in battle as the rearguard. That was the "it depends" probably means. Maybe this is a hint of something troublesome to come? After all, a certain inexperienced individual will be joining their adventurer party soon.

 

[cor3zone]

@jonsmth

then again, they already fought an ever-reviving army before.

If it's just holding off endless waves of enemies with little to no sentience, I think the party is good enough to stall them.

I interpreted those lines as: the danger might be a reason to say no, but since they are very competent there is just a little danger, so it would really be a stretch to use it as an excuse. Being one less reason to refuse equates to being a reason to agree. Double negative turns into positive.

There's no reason for Wendelin strain their relationship for a trivial reason too (and the margrave will owe him a favor on top of that).

But there's reason for the margrave to strain his relationship with Baumeister? Barely adult yet already head of his own newly established house, incredibly powerful magician, incredibly wealthy, with very strong ties to the state religion, Baumeister? He is coercing Wendelin into aiding an individual he wants nothing to do with, after all. Send Brantark with a party including some clergymen. Brantark is already in his employ, and the church has a duty to cleanse undead. The margrave has all he needs to fix this without Baumeister; he's just sending him for pure convenience. How's that for a "trivial reason"? Besides, Bleichroeder already owes Wendelin more than enough. He indirectly helped the crown use Baumeister for their own gain, down the line.

 

[jonsmth]

@cor3zone

I interpreted those lines as: the danger might be a reason to say no, but since they are very competent there is just a little danger, so it would really be a stretch to use it as an excuse. Being one less reason to refuse equates to being a reason to agree. Double negative turns into positive.

Sorry for not being clear. There's always risk and opportunity cost to everything, so refusing should be the default answer if there are no other factors to consider (e.g. reward and compensation). I meant that considering their achievements, I think the request should be within their means and is not impossible to achieve. Basically, they can't really say "no, I can't" if they can actually do it.

But there's reason for the margrave to strain his relationship with Baumeister?

I meant that if the margrave simply orders Baumeister, it wouldn't do well for their relationship. So Wendelin has to be persuaded. Straining the relationship is just the result of a hypothetical scenario where the margrave would have been explicitly oppressive since the power dynamics works in his favor.

He is coercing Wendelin into aiding an individual he wants nothing to do with, after all

I interpreted it as asking for a personal favor. Afaik, the margrave's family was also responsible for the failure. I didn't think that the margrave was asking Wendelin to aid the Baumeister family.

Send Brantark with a party including some clergymen. Brantark is already in his employ, and the church has a duty to cleanse undead. The margrave has all he needs to fix this without Baumeister.

If the language was correct, I thought the conversation meant that only Elise and Wendelin can feasibly cull that much undead. So if Elise gets involved, Wendelin has to follow. I believe it also wouldn't be enough to only send Brantark and some mooks, considering that a full-scale campaign (which probably had clergymen in them) has already failed before.

Besides, Bleichroeder already owes Wendelin more than enough

I think they are at an equal standing. The margrave facilitates tedious matters as a godfather should (e.g. he helped Wendelin's vassals with the reward issue), while Wendelin does a few errands for him. It's a give-and-take relationship.

 

[cor3zone]

@jonsmth Fair points. It certainly is a personal favor for Bleichroeder, but the one in possession of the land and thus the one with the actual responsibility is Wendelin's father. The margrave has more of a social responsibility, since his father was the one who failed.

I read it as the holy magic being necessary, not Elise and Baumeister in particular. They just happen to both possess a great deal of it.

Certainly, they should have a give-and-take relationship. Except Bleichroeder helped Brantark set Wendelin up for being used to claim undeveloped land. He basically made Baumeister a pawn of the crown, to be used for the crown's gain with only Baumeister being at risk. He pretty much threw his godchild to the wolves. And neither of them had the balls to warn Wendelin. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Edit: forgot one point. The full-scale campaign that failed didn't face the undead. They are the undead.

 

[SilverWold]

Does anyone know what chapter is this in the novel?

 

[Dragonofhonor]

Good read since I watched the anime episode a couple days ago. Great work on the translations.

 

[conscript117]

@SilverWold On infinite novel translations Volume 4 chapter 46

 

[Riger]

Imagine that conversation.
Are you going to force a takeover?
Why the hell would I want such a broken down area?

 

[Elusion104]

 

[Glomoro]

@Elusion104 I think you forgot something there

 

[Kanol]

@Glomoro No, he should leave it like this. It's perfect.

 

[Glomoro]

@Kanol It could be improved by hiding it inside of about 20 spoiler tags.

 

[Vitue]

Does anyone know when the 45 to 49 chapter will be released ? ^^

 

[Kiskili]

I hope they keep up the translation on this one, I'm loving it so far

 

[Bool]

You guys see this shit with Well teleporting everywhere in the anime T_T. He had trouble getting the panties to teleport and now hes teleporting entire groups of people...

 

[Arch0000]

@Halo
Nah Imo it's not the type at all. Here it's politics so accepting reluctantly seems ok since there's nothing to lose tbh, and He's gonna "step up" very soon.

Also : It's actually the opposite of what you are afraid of

Spoiler

since apparently he gonna win vs his bitter 1st elder brother and fk his widow

 

[NightHalocraft]

Spoiler

Wendelin fucks Kurt's girl after Kurt dies