Hajime no Ippo - Ch. 1482 - Reverberating Conclusion

[goodknife]

ugh even if this arc was for the purification of mashiba's boxing as sawamura claimed it still sucks super hard to end in such a fashion. I've accepted all of the other losses in this series but this one feels like actual bullshit.

i reread the fight, Rosario losing all the time, and mashiba probably take dmg from bs fall (twice)

 

[NotSomeone]

ugh even if this arc was for the purification of mashiba's boxing as sawamura claimed it still sucks super hard to end in such a fashion. I've accepted all of the other losses in this series but this one feels like actual bullshit.

Let's cope, take a look at it this way:
Would it really be better for Mashiba if he took the belt from someone who was not in prime fighting condition?
I mean, Rosario was out of form and he didn't go down easy, IF Rosario didn't slack off maybe Mashiba wouldn't even have touched him.
Warrior's pride you know? You don't wanna fight someone who's not in top shape, you want your victory to be yours, so that no one can make any excuse about how it went.

 

[RyoSaeba]

Let's cope, take a look at it this way:
Would it really be better for Mashiba if he took the belt from someone who was not in prime fighting condition?
I mean, Rosario was out of form and he didn't go down easy, IF Rosario didn't slack off maybe Mashiba wouldn't even have touched him.
Warrior's pride you know? You don't wanna fight someone who's not in top shape, you want your victory to be yours, so that no one can make any excuse about how it went.

As long as Mashiba is fine and will recover and have another chance in the future I'm ok with this finale, I too am on some good copium and I believe it would be better (and more fulfilling) to win next time against a fully prepared Champion.

BUT, if somehow they pull the "too injured to fight again" card then not even some good copium can save me...

 

[drageoon]

Mashiba v Kimura fight.
After opening Mashiba's guard Kimura throws in a Dragon Fish Blow and it connects at the same time as Mashiba's direct right, and because Kimura's Dragon Fish punch takes a longer route and his reach is shorter, Mashiba's punch deals the most damage.

thx for the recap brother.

 

[Yiledute]

So if Mashiba's purpose for beating Kimura was to be built up to be fed to a random gangster guy who is 50/50 on if we'll ever see him in the story again, then it really makes Kimura not winning a Japanese title even more egregious.

Really, the whole "everyone in Japan fails except Takamura" subtle arc that the author's had going on in the background for hundreds of chapters now looks all the more stupid when Japan's produced DOZENS of world champion boxers in the decades since this thing has started and thats not even getting into Inoue becoming a star and top P4P threat amongst anyone who knows anything about boxing. Can Japanese sports manga authors PLEASE break out of this "Brave little underdog Japan" mindset and get into the 21st century with the rest of us.

The author clearly has stated that the world of World Champions is one of monsters, not everyone can be up there. By keeping some of the main characters from achieving the world title makes the ones that have it all the more impressive and monstrous. It has nothing to do with the "Brave little underdog Japan".

 

[Yiledute]

"Karma..."
"Stronger boxer won..."
Morikawa make up your mind.
Anyways Mashiba is gonna be fine and continue boxing cool...
See y'all next time when I'm right.

Sawamura was the one that was talking about karma, and Takamura the one talking about the stronger boxer winning, two VERY different characters with two very different perspectives and opinions.

 

[StadiumGambler]

The author clearly has stated that the world of World Champions is one of monsters, not everyone can be up there. By keeping some of the main characters from achieving the world title makes the ones that have it all the more impressive and monstrous. It has nothing to do with the "Brave little underdog Japan".

But theres also been a bunch of one-note side characters from Japan who get introduced and fight on the undercard of Takamura's shows that go for the world title in different weight classes and get clobbered. Takamura's portrayed as the only competent Japanese boxer when IRL Japan had over a dozen different guys claim a portion of their weight division crown in the 1980s AND in the 1990s! So why is Takamura the only world champion over this extended period of time? Probably because the author can't get out of this brave little underdog Japan mindset and thinks that even some minor character from Japan who we only ever see in two chapters having the light flyweight title screws things up for his precious narrative, so we just get the perpetual glazing of noted class act and woman respecter Mamoru Takamura until some arbitrary time where the author's ready to have Ippo come back and take on the fights he should've been having 500 chapters ago.

 

[Yiledute]

But theres also been a bunch of one-note side characters from Japan who get introduced and fight on the undercard of Takamura's shows that go for the world title in different weight classes and get clobbered. Takamura's portrayed as the only competent Japanese boxer when IRL Japan had over a dozen different guys claim a portion of their weight division crown in the 1980s AND in the 1990s! So why is Takamura the only world champion over this extended period of time? Probably because the author can't get out of this brave little underdog Japan mindset and thinks that even some minor character from Japan who we only ever see in two chapters having the light flyweight title screws things up for his precious narrative, so we just get the perpetual glazing of noted class act and woman respecter Mamoru Takamura until some arbitrary time where the author's ready to have Ippo come back and take on the fights he should've been having 500 chapters ago.

"only competent japanese boxer"? just because he has been the only one to get a world champion belt? All the japanese fighters that we have followed are world ranked, most of them even in the top 5. The ones that have fought world champions have shown that they have the skills and power to compete on their level, even if most don't have yet what it takes to actually win.

 

[Yiledute]

But theres also been a bunch of one-note side characters from Japan who get introduced and fight on the undercard of Takamura's shows that go for the world title in different weight classes and get clobbered. Takamura's portrayed as the only competent Japanese boxer when IRL Japan had over a dozen different guys claim a portion of their weight division crown in the 1980s AND in the 1990s! So why is Takamura the only world champion over this extended period of time? Probably because the author can't get out of this brave little underdog Japan mindset and thinks that even some minor character from Japan who we only ever see in two chapters having the light flyweight title screws things up for his precious narrative, so we just get the perpetual glazing of noted class act and woman respecter Mamoru Takamura until some arbitrary time where the author's ready to have Ippo come back and take on the fights he should've been having 500 chapters ago.

Besides, this manga is not real life, and I don't know if you have noticed, but the story is also in a condensed context. The japanese aren't the only ones that aren't as portrayed as in real life. Mexicans are also super prominent and so far only Ricardo and Gonzalez have been real characters in the story. Ricardo has even held the title for a ridiculous period of time, more than a decade maybe even almost two decades. The current record irl is almost 12 years. So clearly the world of this manga is NOT the same world that we live on, its an alternate version.

 

[Dennis-aka-Denji]

Still gonna say the end result was bull!

wym the guy who was in jail while the other guy trained just had more stamina it's logical if you think about it but like with a dog's brain

 

[Dennis-aka-Denji]

So clearly the world of this manga is NOT the same world that we live on, its an alternate version.

Believe it or not their point wasn't that this was a documentary.

 

[Yiledute]

Believe it or not their point wasn't that this was a documentary.

their point was that there wasn't enough japanese world champions in comparison to the irl world, and that according to them it is all because Morikawa has a perspective that Japan is an underdog in boxing when in real life it is not. And my point is that Morikawa has clearly shown most of the japanese fighters of this manga as being world ranked boxers across several weight classes, and that the fact that only Takamura (the established monster of this story) is the only one with a title, means that in the world of this manga only the monsters get to have a world title. Even now, this "random" boxer, as they called him, is so much better than Mashiba that even Mashiba's body broke before finishing the fight.

 

[Dennis-aka-Denji]

their point was that there wasn't enough japanese world champions in comparison to the irl world, and that according to them it is all because Morikawa has a perspective that Japan is an underdog in boxing when in real life it is not. And my point is that Morikawa has clearly shown most of the japanese fighters of this manga as being world ranked boxers across several weight classes, and that the fact that only Takamura (the established monster of this story) is the only one with a title, means that in the world of this manga only the monsters get to have a world title. Even now, this "random" boxer, as they called him, is so much better than Mashiba that even Mashiba's body broke before finishing the fight.

And their point stands. One Japanese boxer succeeding while everyone else just gazes in wonder at world champions might have flown in 89, but it just looks silly now. I get it that Ippo's generation is only just starting to challenge for world titles, and most of them will probably get them at some point. But the problem is it took 35 fucking years to get here, so now the manga has to exist in some kinda alternate reality because it has several decades of lag behind the real world. Same thing as that weird phone booth to smartphone jump we had a couple of chapters ago. George's snail pace is causing problems all over. I like or at least used to like the manga too, but I don't see why that needs defending. The man has no grand plan, he's just milking it dry at this point.

 

[shakukukuku]

Let's cope, take a look at it this way:
Would it really be better for Mashiba if he took the belt from someone who was not in prime fighting condition?
I mean, Rosario was out of form and he didn't go down easy, IF Rosario didn't slack off maybe Mashiba wouldn't even have touched him.
Warrior's pride you know? You don't wanna fight someone who's not in top shape, you want your victory to be yours, so that no one can make any excuse about how it went.

It’s even worse that he lost again someone who wasn’t in his prime imho…