Hazure Hantei kara Hajimatta Cheat Majutsushi Seikatsu - Vol. 10 Ch. 47.3

[Slingerman]

And again if you notice, I mention the Manga, not the novel.

To my recolection

The manga has already more than a few alterations and changes from the novel.
Most notably the fact that Kento makes nothing of seeing gore.
In chapter 25, Kento isn't supposed to win against that cocky wolf eared guy(in fact he lost in the novel), and yet in the manga he beat him and in a rather humiliating fashion.
The "feline" familiar he got in chapter 28 doesn't show up in the novel(at least not at that point) .
The lord's bunny eared wife was never that scantly clad at least not in her usual getup.

And that's just of the top of my head.

It's very safe to assume that the Manga takes a generally different direction than the novels at least in tone. As such knowledge of the novels doesn't excuse what we see in the mange.

As for, Kento breaking down after the bully died is not a valid excuse for anything.
Kento comes from a modern Japanese society , hence very sheltered against unnatural deaths as most kids his age are. Furthermore he also feels responsible because (as he also says in the manga) he thinks that he could have saved him if he acted instead of just observing. THAT is why he broke down, because of his sense of responsibility, more or less the same reason that "loli" teacher broke down crying when she learned that the bully died.

Did you properly read my comment? I was talking about the 12 skeletons who save him from the goblins at the beginning, he cried when 9 of them sacrificed themselves to get him through the forest. Knew them less than a day. He is obviously more attached to Beatrice than to them.

Really, those changes are quite minor, and mostly stem from the Light Novel changes I feel: The fight against Gilik was two fights merged into one, and I read about that in a japanese review for the second Light Novel. I also feel that the Light Novel's editor was responsible for Yuika's better behavior, which was the biggest change from WN. Most of the additional scenes (Dame Frieda, Yuika's maid cooperating) better flow into events that are coming in the web novel. Heck, 47.2's 4th page alludes to Camilla becoming Kent's mistress, with the Yuika-Kent-Camilla love triangle being the main driver of the web novel plot.

The psychological analysis I spoke of is basically the novel explaining WHY he is so tolerant in a situation like this. Other characters speak of how they would have been more vengeful in his place.

 

[Someone011]

Did you properly read my comment? I was talking about the 12 skeletons who save him from the goblins at the beginning, he cried when 9 of them sacrificed themselves to get him through the forest. Knew them less than a day. He is obviously more attached to Beatrice than to them.

Really, those changes are quite minor, and mostly stem from the Light Novel changes I feel: The fight against Gilik was two fights merged into one, and I read about that in a japanese review for the second Light Novel. I also feel that the Light Novel's editor was responsible for Yuika's better behavior, which was the biggest change from WN. Most of the additional scenes (Dame Frieda, Yuika's maid cooperating) better flow into events that are coming in the web novel. Heck, 47.2's 4th page alludes to Camilla becoming Kent's mistress, with the Yuika-Kent-Camilla love triangle being the main driver of the web novel plot.

The psychological analysis I spoke of is basically the novel explaining WHY he is so tolerant in a situation like this. Other characters speak of how they would have been more vengeful in his place.

Again, the 9 skeletons sacrificed themselves for his sake. It doesn't take emotional attachment to feel moved when someone surrenders their in life order to save yours. We've seen many examples even in real life, where disaster victims pay homage to those who saved them(especially if they lost their lives in the process), or organ recipients towards their organ donors. (there are more examples but I assume you get the idea).

As for the changes they are not all that minor, the removal of all the mentions of how disturbed Kento is when he sees gore is a huge change I would say especially when he seems completely unperturbed when he sees gore in the manga it throws the "traumatized from being eaten alive" part, down the drain and that's a sizable part of his phycology in the novel.

Also there is a huge difference between being tolerant and being a veritable doormat who won't even bother to raise an objection when more or less he's being called a rapist, when in fact he was the victim. Any person who has faced injustice at the hands of a noble due to their lies like Kento has, would at the very least speak up in outrage. I don't say he should bitchslap the noble daughter, but he should at least speak up in outrage, just like he did back in the prison cell when his "hero" classmate and company started having demands out of Kento when in fact it was them who screwed up.

Finally I would expect the girls who Kento has helped and saved their lives (in some cases multiple times) and say that they love Kento to show a tiny sliver of faith in him or at least give him the benefit of the doubt instead of putting him in "trial" over the words of a girl who has every reason to lie to them in order to monopolize Kento.

 

[Slingerman]

Again, the 9 skeletons sacrificed themselves for his sake. It doesn't take emotional attachment to feel moved when someone surrenders their in life order to save yours. We've seen many examples even in real life, where disaster victims pay homage to those who saved them(especially if they lost their lives in the process), or organ recipients towards their organ donors. (there are more examples but I assume you get the idea).

As for the changes they are not all that minor, the removal of all the mentions of how disturbed Kento is when he sees gore is a huge change I would say especially when he seems completely unperturbed when he sees gore in the manga it throws the "traumatized from being eaten alive" part, down the drain and that's a sizable part of his phycology in the novel.

Also there is a huge difference between being tolerant and being a veritable doormat who won't even bother to raise an objection when more or less he's being called a rapist, when in fact he was the victim. Any person who has faced injustice at the hands of a noble due to their lies like Kento has, would at the very least speak up in outrage. I don't say he should bitchslap the noble daughter, but he should at least speak up in outrage, just like he did back in the prison cell when his "hero" classmate and company started having demands out of Kento when in fact it was them who screwed up.

Finally I would expect the girls who Kento has helped and saved their lives (in some cases multiple times) and say that they love Kento to show a tiny sliver of faith in him or at least give him the benefit of the doubt instead of putting him in "trial" over the words of a girl who has every reason to lie to them in order to monopolize Kento.

He did get angry and speak out against Beatrice! https://mangadex.org/chapter/380127d3-7cc9-42c2-bc1c-007aba8e6f6f/9

It's admitting his touching her that puts him on the defensive. HIS OWN WORDS are what got him 'put on trial'. Here, he actually lies about his dream, he lied that he was stroking a kobold, when in his dream he was starting to r*pe Camilla and thus was rough with Beatrice. I guess you could say that the original scene was sanitized, and this is the result. But censoring darker details doesn't change where the story is going.

The traumatic flashbacks isn't really that sizeable a part of his pshychology in the novel, it's mentioned here and there, it's the abandonment issue that's the main psychological thing talked about. Don't pretend you read it when you didn't. It's usually a strong discomfort, not the sort of thing that's easily shown. And most of it's appearances are AFTER these parts the manga has adapted so far.

The scene was cut in the middle in order to make it a cliffhanger, that's part of why it's so dissatisfying. Cliffhangers are intentionally dissatisfying.

Spoiler: He tells them

not to flirt with him until Yuika decides whether she's willing to abandon her home to stay with him in Volzart, to make things fair.

 

[Magnus_Prime]

And why is he kneeling? There is a limit to how much of a doormat someone can be.
Any normal person would be outraged. A simply loud "Shut up and let me speak for a change" would have been more than enough.
It's not like they can overpower him to stop him from doing something as simple as speaking his mind.

Heck, after this ,Kento should have dropped the lord's daughter then and there, heck ANY sane person with a shred of dignity would.
First she breached his trust by drugging him and trying to entrap him. And now she tries to make him seem to be the perpetrator in the eyes of two important to him people.
I mean if she does this now that he has no real ties to her, what won't she do in order to manipulate him later....the girl and her family are a huge giant red flag that should be avoided.

As for the other two girls...they claim to love him...but they hands down believe the girl(without a shred of evidence by the way) who has every reason to lie to them and want them to be out of the picture, over Kento...who again they are supposed to be not only in love with, but indebted to.

Kenta should just go MGTOW.

 

[Someone011]

He did get angry and speak out against Beatrice! https://mangadex.org/chapter/380127d3-7cc9-42c2-bc1c-007aba8e6f6f/9

It's admitting his touching her that puts him on the defensive. HIS OWN WORDS are what got him 'put on trial'. Here, he actually lies about his dream, he lied that he was stroking a kobold, when in his dream he was starting to r*pe Camilla and thus was rough with Beatrice. I guess you could say that the original scene was sanitized, and this is the result. But censoring darker details doesn't change where the story is going.

The traumatic flashbacks isn't really that sizeable a part of his pshychology in the novel, it's mentioned here and there, it's the abandonment issue that's the main psychological thing talked about. Don't pretend you read it when you didn't. It's usually a strong discomfort, not the sort of thing that's easily shown. And most of it's appearances are AFTER these parts the manga has adapted so far.

The scene was cut in the middle in order to make it a cliffhanger, that's part of why it's so dissatisfying. Cliffhangers are intentionally dissatisfying.

Spoiler: He tells them

not to flirt with him until Yuika decides whether she's willing to abandon her home to stay with him in Volzart, to make things fair.

You call that angry? That's barely even count as chastising her https://mangadex.org/chapter/380127d3-7cc9-42c2-bc1c-007aba8e6f6f/10 look at her in the very next page, she's smiling line nothing happened.

Also, you keep referring to elements from the Novel, that are just not there in the manga. And in fact censoring darker details does change how Kento is perceived A LOT as well as creating the huge discrepancies between novel and manga.

Also you were the one who brought up the traumatic flashbacks relating to Kento being devoured by goblins and his traumat that gets severely triggered by the sight of gore, on your post about his phycological state not I, but now you are going to claim that it's of no importance because it doesn't suit your "needs"?

As for Kento's words "putting him on the defensive" that's again a load of bull. Both Manon and Yuika have been in situations with Kento where one could easily misconstrued them as Kento assaulting them.
For instance, Manon was having a bath when Kento entered the bathroom to join her. On its own it's very damning, but if I add the "because he though Manon was a guy" it changes everything.
In Yuika's case he snuck into her bedroom while she was sleeping and in a state of undress, more than once. "But it was to inform her for the escape plan while her maid was not there" again if you leave that out it suggest other things.
And in many cases Kento could have taken advantage of them but didn't, but because Beatrice told them, they decided it was a clear cut case where Kento took advantage of Beatrice.

As I said the least those two could do was give the person to whom they own at least their lives, and profess to love , the benefit of the doubt and a chance to speak without treating him like a criminal. Especially when it is him that says that he touched her, because anyone with ill intent would have just lied then and there.

 

[Slingerman]

You call that angry? That's barely even count as chastising her https://mangadex.org/chapter/380127d3-7cc9-42c2-bc1c-007aba8e6f6f/10 look at her in the very next page, she's smiling line nothing happened.

Also, you keep referring to elements from the Novel, that are just not there in the manga. And in fact censoring darker details does change how Kento is perceived A LOT as well as creating the huge discrepancies between novel and manga.

Also you were the one who brought up the traumatic flashbacks relating to Kento being devoured by goblins and his traumat that gets severely triggered by the sight of gore, on your post about his phycological state not I, but now you are going to claim that it's of no importance because it doesn't suit your "needs"?

As for Kento's words "putting him on the defensive" that's again a load of bull. Both Manon and Yuika have been in situations with Kento where one could easily misconstrued them as Kento assaulting them.
For instance, Manon was having a bath when Kento entered the bathroom to join her. On its own it's very damning, but if I add the "because he though Manon was a guy" it changes everything.
In Yuika's case he snuck into her bedroom while she was sleeping and in a state of undress, more than once. "But it was to inform her for the escape plan while her maid was not there" again if you leave that out it suggest other things.
And in many cases Kento could have taken advantage of them but didn't, but because Beatrice told them, they decided it was a clear cut case where Kento took advantage of Beatrice.

As I said the least those two could do was give the person to whom they own at least their lives, and profess to love , the benefit of the doubt and a chance to speak without treating him like a criminal. Especially when it is him that says that he touched her, because anyone with ill intent would have just lied then and there.

Beatrice is a negotiator, trained in it. She is pushing for what she wants. Of course she's not easily cowed. Kent himself, hasn't exploded... yet. He feels guilt for what he's done wrong in the original script, a script that was altered to make him look more moral, while leaving the dialogue the same. In the web novel both parties bear fault, and the dialogue reflects that.

All I did originally was mention that he had the trauma, he really doesn't like seeing intestines. Abandonment issues comes up in diologue and inner monologues in the novel over a hundred times, and the scene in 47.2 was when that STARTED originally. Yet you're acting like it certainly won't come up because it hasn't yet?

These are trash love interests, the three of them. They are written to be authentically 14/15 year old girls as a first priority, being appealing as a second priority. I mean it's probably why the Light Novel was canceled at two books. I talked about how much better the older love interests treat him many times.

Where do you think the manga is going that the web novel didn't go exactly?

 

[Goldni]

kinda dumb howmuch shit the mc gets for everything hes done for people. i do wonder if any real romance will actually happens, kinda feels like it isnt. also its kinda annoying this far in they kept saying shit about there being dungeons but they havent shown a single one yet

 

[Slingerman]

kinda dumb howmuch shit the mc gets for everything hes done for people. i do wonder if any real romance will actually happens, kinda feels like it isnt. also its kinda annoying this far in they kept saying shit about there being dungeons but they havent shown a single one yet

The gap in appreciation is real, that's why I call him "Kent". You see, it's actually explored that the isekai language is closer to a european language than Japanese, so isekai world characters call him "Kent", whilst Japanese call him "Kento", because his name is engrish. But the teachers are pretty good to him, with one exception.

The thing that surprised me most about series is how much actual romance there is in it. We've still got a while there.

He goes into the dungeons, not any time soon though. The forest serves a similar purpose as a dungeon would in other stories.

 

[Goldni]

The gap in appreciation is real, that's why I call him "Kent". You see, it's actually explored that the isekai language is closer to a european language than Japanese, so isekai world characters call him "Kent", whilst Japanese call him "Kento", because his name is engrish. But the teachers are pretty good to him, with one exception.

The thing that surprised me most about series is how much actual romance there is in it. We've still got a while there.

He goes into the dungeons, not any time soon though. The forest serves a similar purpose as a dungeon would in other stories.

ya i guess u could consider it to be a outdoor dungeon

 

[Greedygreen]

This is why harems are kinda bad, you either objectify your spouses or they objectify you.

There might be exceptions but keeping the balance for the relationship in the harem to be wholesome is definitely very hard.

 

[OogieBoogie]

Yeaaaaa I'd be telling Beatrice to kick rocks at this point. The girl has shown so many signs of being manipulative and they're not even together yet!

Also, really?!?! Kento gets nearly date ra**d and he has to apologize?!?! There is a limit to how much of a doormat the MC can be!!!

 

[Mystyc_Cheez]

Unbelievably gay shit writing. How the fuck did we go from some of the best written characters I've ever seen to victim blaming? I'm so fucking mad right now

 

[nueee]

Kento T

 

[Magnus_Prime]

.. "she almost raped him so let's blame HIM!"
No! Bad Author!! smacks him with a rolled up newspaper: BAD AUTHOR! smacks him once more

It's almost an American way of thinking.