High Position - Vol. 5 Ch. 33 - Tsubasa no Oreta Angel "Angel with Broken Wings"

[welcome2atlantis]

Well done, Ossan. You stood your ground :'(

 

[neiT720]

Was the manga got axed or something? These 2 chapters suck. And the whole story was pretty good too, shame.

Got a lot or expectation from this manga cuz i've read Sekitou Elegy (up to vol 6 before it's got dropped) from him.

 

[kraize]

@juicius I’d bust a nut or somthing if you actually did “Living no Matsunaga” that shoujo is dope man! You and bunny keep up the hard work, can’t wait to see how “High Position” end and what you guys will be doing next! ?

 

[morooster]

@criver flaws on what criteria? realism? is this manga equipped to deal with actual rape, thematically? i doubt it. let me help you out. the guy with the moustache is obviously impressed, and will probably turn up later. did you not catch that??? please read closely..

 

[criver]

@morooster
If the author is not 'equipped' to deal with rape, he should not touch upon it. Having an unrealistic resolution of the situation is pretty terrible.
It's not about the boxer being impressed, it's about that not being a sufficient motivation for him to give up. He and his friends were not deterred by their conscience or the prospect of serving jail time/juvi (while being labeled pedos), but suddenly give up because they're impressed by the 'heroics' (read as getting his ass whooped) of the MC? This simply does not check out. The thug has enough conviction to not be phased by assault, kidnapping, rape (and possibly murder), but he gives up due to the MC not giving up? That's a pile of bs if I've ever seen one.

 

[coq1]

@criver Oh a wild self-proclaimed critics just appeared x)
Why won't you stop spreading your cancer, have some herbal tea and let others enjoy manga? Appreciate the appreciation.

 

[criver]

@coq1
Oh! Another one of the classics: 'you're not supposed to criticize works that I like' hurr durr. If you can't enjoy the manga just because of my comment then grow a thicker skin. You are free to try and remain willfully ignorant, but don't go and try telling me how I shouldn't criticize it.

 

[Eviltwinq]

>talking about reality in a time slip manga
ahaha...,
In one hand we have a critics and in the other shitpost
You know what you are,

 

[criver]

@Eviltwinq
> when you can't differentiate between logical inconsistency and suspense of disbelief necessary for the premise
ahaha
On one hand we have people saying how you're not supposed to criticize what they like, and on the other we have people defending logical inconsistency in a story
You know you are both,

 

[ThePaulBunyanTrophy]

For what its worth, I thought it was a cheap resolution too, but I'm actually pretty okay with it from a story point. With books, you usually get two opposing types of endings. In one, everything wraps up nicely and nearly, and all the questions the readers had are answered. The other ending is more vague or incomplete, and this is what you see very often with manga. It looks like the plot is driving to a particular point, and then there's some twist and things end on an unclear term. This usually drives the loyal readers crazy, and there's a firestorm of comments and arguments following the ending.

Which is what they want.

With that, you got an ending where a number of people believe in a number of different, sometimes mutually exclusive, endings, and if there's anything people love to do more than just about anything, it's to correct other people on why they're wrong. So that fosters debates and arguments and more participations. All that drives to keep the interest, good and bad, up on a series that's otherwise finished.

That applies here as well, although this isn't the end of the series. What we have is an ending that is unsatisfactory to many that started an argument. I already said it was kind of a cheap ending, but I can logically deconstruct it and see how it got there. It's easy to imagine the older guy not being fully into whatever the younger ones intended to do, but was observing to see how far they would go. He's old enough to drive so he's at least 18, and may not be protected under a Japan's fairly lax juvenile criminal law (until 20). Notice his he himself didn't hit anyone.

And I will say that as a professional who deals with these circumstances fairly often, rapists that actually complete the act rarely think of the consequences during the process. It's first and foremost a crime of power and control, and while they're drunk on that power over another, they do not think of the consequences. Another thing to consider is that there's significant amount of victim blaming in rape, especially in older, more traditional cultures, which tends to insulate three perpetrators. So I can easily believe that those two fully intended to go through with it and the only one who could've stopped it (and may have anyway, since he may have full liability under the criminal law and if not that, his boxing license would've been revoked if he was involved in a major crime) was the older guy. And that's what happened.

So in the end, you got a situation that could have happened, stopped in the only way it could have been stopped. Think of it that way, it's not that bad at all.

 

[criver]

@ThePaulBunyanTrophy
Here's the thing - this is not about a 'vague and incomplete' ending, it's not about subtlety. It's about logical inconsistency and motivation twisting just to avoid tragedy. I am fine with twists, provided that they are sensible, this however just drove off a cliff as far as realistic behaviour is concerned.

It's easy to imagine the older guy not being fully into whatever the younger ones intended to do, but was observing to see how far they would go.

He may not be 'fully into it', but the fact is that he's risking kidnapping, assault, and rape charges, so he already has more than enough conviction. To add to this his friends were already warned about who our MC is friends with and about the legal implications of that. It's also obvious they have discussed this with the older guy from the previous chapter.

Notice his he himself didn't hit anyone.

Doesn't really matter when he's the only adult present facilitating the crime. Not to mention kidnapping.

It's first and foremost a crime of power and control, and while they're drunk on that power over another, they do not think of the consequences.

This however is not the case here, this was obviously already discussed by the 3 perpetrators as you will note from the previous chapter.

and may have anyway, since he may have full liability under the criminal law and if not that, his boxing license would've been revoked if he was involved in a major crime

You're failing to realize that he's already part of a crime when he drives off while they kidnap two high schoolers. But here's the main issue, and this is really about psychological motivations - something central in writing believable characters: we're presented with a farce of a twist. The 'change of heart' of the boxer is some parallel he makes between our weak MC that does not fight back to the movie Rocky. So now you have to reconcile the realities of the thug giving up because of that, and the fact that he's unphased by clearly criminal behaviour and is ok with bullying people from a position of power. These different ways of thinking do not fit together and we have no reason to believe he has MPD, so fat chance. The whole thing would get shredded to pieces by Occam's razor. Not to mention in the context of writing.

Think of it that way, it's not that bad at all.

It's pretty bad all things considered. As I already noted - the author should not touch upon themes he's not prepared to deal with - it only goes to hurt the consistency of the work and calls into question his writing abilities.

 

[dotawolfbrother]

I come to the comments section to find everyone hating on this, and I'm just thinking

MC was a manly man and nothing bad happened. Yay.

 

[rustginko]

wtf sour taste in my mouth...

 

[couchpotato]

What a weird resolution. I'm one of those who thought it strained belief.

 

[coldpray]

If Ossan had a gun, those guys would've been discovered days later in a river. I mean it's not a fair fight anyway, 4 vs 1. So guns used for self defense is not bad idea. Cause some of these thugs carry a weapon themselves, even if you fight and win you can get shot easily.

 

[SunnyD88]

Thank fucking God. Also those punks deserve to get fucking shot

 

[SunnyD88]

If Ossan had a gun, those guys would've been discovered days later in a river. I mean it's not a fair fight anyway, 4 vs 1. So guns used for self defense is not bad idea. Cause some of these thugs carry a weapon themselves, even if you fight and win you can get shot easily.

Second amendment is the fucking goat. An armed society is a polite society