"Hitokiri" Shoujo Koushaku Reijou no Goei ni Naru - Ch. 13

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i understand Shurine is confident in her own strength but i just can't imagine a skilled swordsman would actually try to cut through plate armor, not to mention, the face plate
there are a lot more vulnerable spot you can swing at someone wearing plate armor
the face plate is not one of them
Claude did say that her attack would have decapitated any other knight lesser than him, so it wasn’t about her technique but the fact that he is seriously boosting his stats with magic, something that she wasn’t able to detect. She was most likely going for the neck as it’s the only potential weak-point that would allow a one hit kill.
 
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You've got that order backward.
ALL of them are going to die if Shurine/Hein lose. The condition for them to survive is on Shurine/Hein winning and save Lutecia if possible, not that Lutecia being alive is going to somehow make the bastard keep Shurine/Hein alive if they lose.

If anything any manpower the villain put towards keeping Lutecia hostage is less people Shurine has to deal with at the same time.
I know that. You aren't understanding what I'm saying.

Here, we got the bodyguard (you), the hostage, and villain (me)
If I'm overwhelmingly more powerful than both of you, then there won't be any hostage situation, I'll kill hostage when I see her, then kill you, or the other way around, it doesn't matter.

If I'm scared of you, I'll take a hostage (who I will kill after I killed you) as a leverage. My gamble is that you don't want the hostage to die, thus you won't be overwhelming me outright (because I can kill the hostage, who you don't want killed, before you can kill me.) If you don't care the hostage lives or die and rushes me, I kill the hostage, you kill me, and you walk away satisfied with that trade and would gladly do it again, well that just mean who I had was never really a hostage, it might as well be a chair.

What you're stipulating: "Shurine (and everyone) is going to die if she doesn't win this fight, so her self preservation is going to make her fight all out regardless if Lutecia is currently still alive as a hostage or not. Because she won't be if Shurine loses anyway." The bold part is flawed because if that's the case Shurine (and all hostage situation) should just go nuclear and rush the head bad guy, guaranteeing Lutecia's death, in exchange Shruine gets to avenge her killing everyone afterwards. Which you may argue ought to be Shurine's course of action in this situation because her own life is on the line what other option does she have? But it's never the option chosen. And there's even a logical explanation/character study for that.

What the bad guy is doing here is:
I have a hostage, and I'm going to send guys to kill you now, I know you won't go down easy, so if my guys kill you, great. The hostage may have contributed to that it may not. But if all my guys lose to you, at least I still have the hostage to negotiate as long as it is in your interest that hostage survives. Unless you just straight up kills me before I can kill the hostage, in which case this entire presentation was moot because I never had a shot to begin with. Or if you don't negotiate and go for the kill and I kill the hostage then that's just what I already went over that above. Or you let me live and I let the hostage go etc.
 
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Because she won't be if Shurine loses anyway.

Literally my point.
It's not self-preservation, it's just not having the stupid martyr shounen hero logic.
If my loss is going to result in the death of the hostage anyway, I might as well use this chance to make surprise attack while YOU still think the hostage has a shock value.

Because what exactly do I get by giving in to your demand?
Is my chance of survival/rescuing the hostage somehow higher after you the villain likely torture me + put me under lock?
Or more realistically, you just kill me right away as you proclaimed just to put the hostage into deeper despair before you have your way with her.

For a hero to give in to hostage situation and somehow make an escape later requires the villain be incompetent/egoistic enough to let them live/recover.
And this one sure as heck didn't seem like that.
 
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Bitch that Blade is made of hopes and stitched by dreams and tape she needs a thousand daggers sword asap.
 
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Literally my point.
It's not self-preservation, it's just not having the stupid martyr shounen hero logic.
If my loss is going to result in the death of the hostage anyway, I might as well use this chance to make surprise attack while YOU still think the hostage has a shock value.

Because what exactly do I get by giving in to your demand?
Is my chance of survival/rescuing the hostage somehow higher after you the villain likely torture me + put me under lock?
Or more realistically, you just kill me right away as you proclaimed just to put the hostage into deeper despair before you have your way with her.

For a hero to give in to hostage situation and somehow make an escape later requires the villain be incompetent/egoistic enough to let them live/recover.
And this one sure as heck didn't seem like that.

What the bad guy is doing here is:
I have a hostage, and I'm going to send guys to kill you now, I know you won't go down easy, so if my guys kill you, great. The hostage may have contributed to that it may not. But if all my guys lose to you, at least I still have the hostage to negotiate as long as it is in your interest that hostage survives. Unless you just straight up kills me before I can kill the hostage, in which case this entire presentation was moot because I never had a shot to begin with. Or if you don't negotiate and go for the kill and I kill the hostage then that's just what I already went over that above. Or you let me live and I let the hostage go etc.
 
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Villain of the week: I’m abusing my authority to frame you for murder! What do you say to that?!
Shurine: Do you want to meet the last guy who pulled that stunt on me? * draws her blade *
 
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What the bad guy is doing here is:
I have a hostage, and I'm going to send guys to kill you now, I know you won't go down easy, so if my guys kill you, great. The hostage may have contributed to that it may not. But if all my guys lose to you, at least I still have the hostage to negotiate as long as it is in your interest that hostage survives. Unless you just straight up kills me before I can kill the hostage, in which case this entire presentation was moot because I never had a shot to begin with. Or if you don't negotiate and go for the kill and I kill the hostage then that's just what I already went over that above. Or you let me live and I let the hostage go etc.

The bad guy already showed their hands of wanting them dead, there's no guarantee of them letting any of them survive even if she choose to comply.
It'd be the other way of the surprise attack.
Pretend to release hostage, attack while protector is occupied.

So yeah, unless you're so naive to put any trust into this sort of bad guy to actually keep to the deal, no point in considering negotiation.
 
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The problem is they've already declared they intend to kill her, so saying "surrender or we'll kill her" is kind of pointless.
What? So you would just go “ok kill her! I don’t care about her anymore since you said you’d kill her, so kill her in front of me, all good!”

No you care about people, so it doesn’t matter if he intends to kill everyone eventually when you want to SAVE the hostage, not just use them as a literal meat shield
 
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What? So you would just go “ok kill her! I don’t care about her anymore since you said you’d kill her, so kill her in front of me, all good!”

No you care about people, so it doesn’t matter if he intends to kill everyone eventually when you want to SAVE the hostage, not just use them as a literal meat shield
Guy's entire argument rests on one assumption:
Because villain states everyone will die if he wins, that means everyone who is currently still alive, is effectively already dead. Thus it's pointless for him to keep a "dead" hostage Lutecia. And Shurine will just fight 100% anyway (and may even kill Lutecia herself, intentional or not because she's already treated as dead.)

Which is completely flawed because the bad guy hasn't won yet and people are still alive, and can potentially all remain alive by the end. This is part of the calculation for Shurine irrespective if bad guy is willing to keep his deal or not.

I've already illustrated bad guy's mindset but I'll reiterate.
He has two basic paths available:
  1. Immediately kill Lutecia and then throw everything at Shurine.
  2. Keep Lutecia alive and use her as a living bargaining chip while his knights fight Shurine.
Path 1 gives him nothing extra. Lutecia is already helpless, killing her instantly removes any possible leverage and does not make Shurine fight any harder than she already is (she’s already in a do-or-die duel).

Path 2 costs him almost nothing and gives him multiple winning branches he would not otherwise have:
If his knights beat Shurine everyone dies anyway. Hostage was irrelevant, but he lost nothing.
If Shurine starts winning or the fight drags on, he now has the option to shout “Stop or the girl dies!” or “Drop your sword and I’ll let her walk away!”
Shurine might actually hesitate, pull her punches, or surrender.
If Shurine is ice-cold and ignores the threat, the villain is no worse off than if he had killed Lutecia immediately.

In other words: keeping the hostage alive gives the villain zero downside and extra options. Killing her instantly throws that ticket in the trash.
 
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this was good in the beginning, but it's starting to get boring, always being betrayed and attacked get old quick.
Same. The prince being a smug infallible mastermind gets tiring real quick too. Hopefully the next chapter will show us how desperate he is, because otherwise he wouldn't have appeared in person to block the path, and accompanied by the strongest knight too, no less.
 
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They have like, no plan at all and just constantly walking in to traps, have literal backstabber informant accompanying them from the start and keep getting saved by the plot armor.

Author just doesn't seems to put in much brain power to it over all.
 
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