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Hokkaido Gals Are Super Adorable! - Vol. 3 Ch. 23
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Speaking of meeting respect likewise; Who's taking advantage of whose lack of courage to refuse here? In so many of these panels I just wished MC would show a little bit of courage and just tell her that he's uncomfortable with the current situation. I get this isn't supposed to be the victim's responsibility, but so much of his stress could be avoided if he were willing to bite back just a little bit, or if someone could at least push either one of these two to change their approach.
Everything feels deadlocked because neither of these two characters are changing. Thus, the situations they end up in feel samey. Although things may feel like this to me, because I've seen this same shtick played out in so many other comics as well.
Everything feels deadlocked because neither of these two characters are changing. Thus, the situations they end up in feel samey. Although things may feel like this to me, because I've seen this same shtick played out in so many other comics as well.
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Nah, you're completely right. It's like all the exploitation films of the 70s and 80s where mediocre filmmakers would come across a trope that proves to be somewhat popular and able to carry a narrative by itself, and milk it dry with only cursory effort involved. The manga and LN worlds are chock-full of them.
Then again, every once in a while you get a series like Sweat and Soap where the main characters would jump into bed within a couple chapters, which—albeit totally plausible—feels like skipping too far ahead for no good reason.
Geez, don't suddenly go spoiling the plot of all dem faux romance manga. >_>
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Nah, you're completely right. It's like all the exploitation films of the 70s and 80s where mediocre filmmakers would come across a trope that proves to be somewhat popular and able to carry a narrative by itself, and milk it dry with only cursory effort involved. The manga and LN worlds are chock-full of them.
Then again, every once in a while you get a series like Sweat and Soap where the main characters would jump into bed within a couple chapters, which—albeit totally plausible—feels like skipping too far ahead for no good reason.
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@Huichelaar @moozooh Aki-Sora, Maid-Sama!, Yamada and Her Teacher, The Pet Girl of Sakurasou, Ozyou-sama no Simobe, and most things by Cool Kyou Sinsya are all cases that come to mind where the seme is uncomfortable with it and voices it reasonably.
The art style is definitely veering more into the cute direction but that's completely ok with me.
That said Tusubasa man, don't go running like that, just endure it for the team!
Too bad for the other girls though, Fuyuki already has him in her palm, she's playing some 4-D chess right here.
That said Tusubasa man, don't go running like that, just endure it for the team!
Too bad for the other girls though, Fuyuki already has him in her palm, she's playing some 4-D chess right here.
We finally get a manga where the female lead is 'aggressive' in a good way(the fact that she doesn't turn into crazy stalker space invader chick, but rather just doesn't put up walls) but instead of people being happy about it, some people are talking some crazy stuff about respect...which has nothing to do with this situation.
@Huichelaar @moozooh Fuyuki isn't taking advantage of Tsubasa not refusing. She didn't pressure him or anything, and you can see him work out in his head that he -decided- to stay. Yes he was uncomfortable, but he -wanted- to be there, which is why he didn't say he was uncomfortable and he only left when he got too embarrassed, from popping a boner. Just because he ran out at the end doesn't mean that he wanted to leave the entire time, people's minds can change in the middle of something, and they can also set up conditional things.
@trapsarebetter @SapphireDemon @Tamerlane My dudes(or dudettes) ya'll are reading too deep into this and skipping way too many steps. You all got some things right but some things wrong. Relationships don't work on a "Wait until the other is receptive before you make a move" system. No that doesn't mean you attack your partner and force yourself on them, but it means you go back and forward with your partner, probing the other with your actions without doing something 'serious' to see where they are. Things like asking them to turn around while you change, if they leave, htey're not comfortable with nudity with you yet, if they stay, they are. That's what Fuyuki was doing in a sense, though not intentionally, she was just being how comfortable she is with Tsubasa, and we and Fuyuki now know Tsubasa isn't that comfortable with her yet.
This also isn't just about whether or not someone is ready for sex and if Tsubasa stayed that doesn't mean sex is happening or that either of them want it. There are so many types of intamicy between "Friend" and "Sexual partner" just a lot of them don't cross gender walls, but they still can. This was about them both finding out how much skinship they're both okay with. And since it's about what they're -both- comfortable with, leaving isn't 'wrong' or 'cowardly' nor is it disrespectful.
However running out isn't about him respecting her either. If it was out of respect he'd have told her "I can't do this, sorry" and -then- left. Instead he just dipped without considering her feelings. There's nothing really wrong with that in this situation, but don't go saying his actions were out of respect, they were out of embarrassment. The one who was 'showing respect' would be Fuyuki if anything, for not going after him or calling him back, and instead realizing he was leaving cause he was embarrassed and not bringing it up later.
Everyone just needs to be happy we get a forward girl who isn't crazy, and a MC who doesn't have some contrived standards or rules that are used as a tool to keep any real progress from happening. (I'm looking at you Shindou from Amano Megumi, love the manga but dude is Shindou's stupidity annoying) Instead we got two natural characters going through the process of growing intimacy.
@Huichelaar @moozooh Fuyuki isn't taking advantage of Tsubasa not refusing. She didn't pressure him or anything, and you can see him work out in his head that he -decided- to stay. Yes he was uncomfortable, but he -wanted- to be there, which is why he didn't say he was uncomfortable and he only left when he got too embarrassed, from popping a boner. Just because he ran out at the end doesn't mean that he wanted to leave the entire time, people's minds can change in the middle of something, and they can also set up conditional things.
@trapsarebetter @SapphireDemon @Tamerlane My dudes(or dudettes) ya'll are reading too deep into this and skipping way too many steps. You all got some things right but some things wrong. Relationships don't work on a "Wait until the other is receptive before you make a move" system. No that doesn't mean you attack your partner and force yourself on them, but it means you go back and forward with your partner, probing the other with your actions without doing something 'serious' to see where they are. Things like asking them to turn around while you change, if they leave, htey're not comfortable with nudity with you yet, if they stay, they are. That's what Fuyuki was doing in a sense, though not intentionally, she was just being how comfortable she is with Tsubasa, and we and Fuyuki now know Tsubasa isn't that comfortable with her yet.
This also isn't just about whether or not someone is ready for sex and if Tsubasa stayed that doesn't mean sex is happening or that either of them want it. There are so many types of intamicy between "Friend" and "Sexual partner" just a lot of them don't cross gender walls, but they still can. This was about them both finding out how much skinship they're both okay with. And since it's about what they're -both- comfortable with, leaving isn't 'wrong' or 'cowardly' nor is it disrespectful.
However running out isn't about him respecting her either. If it was out of respect he'd have told her "I can't do this, sorry" and -then- left. Instead he just dipped without considering her feelings. There's nothing really wrong with that in this situation, but don't go saying his actions were out of respect, they were out of embarrassment. The one who was 'showing respect' would be Fuyuki if anything, for not going after him or calling him back, and instead realizing he was leaving cause he was embarrassed and not bringing it up later.
Everyone just needs to be happy we get a forward girl who isn't crazy, and a MC who doesn't have some contrived standards or rules that are used as a tool to keep any real progress from happening. (I'm looking at you Shindou from Amano Megumi, love the manga but dude is Shindou's stupidity annoying) Instead we got two natural characters going through the process of growing intimacy.
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Lol im not even mad at this clown for running away, im more disgusted at the fact this dude out here wearing another persons swimming trunks 🤢
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Mmmh i am being dense here? that seemed like an invitation for some fuck, but she is kind of an eccentric girl so who knows?
Ok, no, she was just teasing him, as a prank, and thinking that nothing would happen out of the whole thing, she literally doesn't knows what she is doing.
She is playing with fire, she got lucky he just left, but she should stop this shit, she could perfectly ruin her relationship or push him into doing something they both will regret, and he doesn't has to deal with any of that since there are other girls out there that are already interested in him the moment anyone makes a move she will come out losing.
Ok, no, she was just teasing him, as a prank, and thinking that nothing would happen out of the whole thing, she literally doesn't knows what she is doing.
She is playing with fire, she got lucky he just left, but she should stop this shit, she could perfectly ruin her relationship or push him into doing something they both will regret, and he doesn't has to deal with any of that since there are other girls out there that are already interested in him the moment anyone makes a move she will come out losing.
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There're already so many comics out there where the female lead(s) is (are) agressive to the point of crossing obvious boundaries and the male MC constantly runs or hides in embarrassment or disbelief. This one is no different. So many of these romcoms seem to pander to a passive audience by giving us MCs that are anything but assertive.
Yeah, she didn't pressure him. Yeah, he decided to stay. Because he did not think about the situation until it got to the point it got to. Once it hit him, he didn't want to be there but didn't have the assertivity to refuse her and up and leave (she was also initially blocking the door). It'd help if he'd think before he agrees to intimate things like this, but these things unsurprisingly (given his age) overwhelm him.
Yeah, she didn't pressure him. Yeah, he decided to stay. Because he did not think about the situation until it got to the point it got to. Once it hit him, he didn't want to be there but didn't have the assertivity to refuse her and up and leave (she was also initially blocking the door). It'd help if he'd think before he agrees to intimate things like this, but these things unsurprisingly (given his age) overwhelm him.
@criver it only gets 'creepy' because of social expectations that society has developed. Which mostly is around the fact that most types of relationships have 'conciously' disappeared from society other than "Friend", "Best friend" "sex friend" and "SO", as well as the belief that "Guys always think about sex" so if you flip the genders, because of the way society has raised us, we see that as the dude trying way to hard to get some and forcing it on the girl. Which doesn't have to be the case.
@Huichelaar Most of what you said is kinda right but the 'crossing a line' thing is off my dude. It'd be crossing a line if she forced him. He showed -zero- resistance to this idea openly. Are you saying just the fact of her asking is crossing a line? That's a dumb notion because then relationships would never progress. And she wasn't 'blocking' the door. She was in front of it yes, but that's because you have to come through the door to get in. She did not display any body language that she was trying to keep him there, she just happened to be in front of the door. THere was also plenty of time for him to get up while she wasn't right in front of the door.
@Huichelaar Most of what you said is kinda right but the 'crossing a line' thing is off my dude. It'd be crossing a line if she forced him. He showed -zero- resistance to this idea openly. Are you saying just the fact of her asking is crossing a line? That's a dumb notion because then relationships would never progress. And she wasn't 'blocking' the door. She was in front of it yes, but that's because you have to come through the door to get in. She did not display any body language that she was trying to keep him there, she just happened to be in front of the door. THere was also plenty of time for him to get up while she wasn't right in front of the door.
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