Hokuo Kizoku to Moukinzuma no Yukiguni Karigurashi - Vol. 10 Ch. 94
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Finally, I always wondered how they never learnt the language at all despite living here for years
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I can understand the parents (if you're stubborn - even innocently like I don't deserve it - you can lock yourself out of anything), but she's lived there since she was a child, she's bound to have learnt some words...
well, tbf finnish and norwegian are hellish languages, they look like native americans, maybe the two languages are so profoundly different that it can be very hard anyway.
Also their appearance just very different from locals. Wont be surprised if except from Ritzhard's family, everyone avoid Poron family. So Miruporon might have grown up without interacting with locals. And following her parents that have small interaction even with Ritzhard, she may not learn any language at all.
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Even just interacting with the family they should have learned a bit, especially the daughter. I have lived in places with differing languages and you learn the basics after a while.
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I'd expect she has already picked up a few words and understand the meaning, but she just doesn't know how to use them (don't know the grammar etc. because she never use them in a conversation)
at least that's what happened to me who once lived a few years in a place with a different language but never spoke to the locals using that language
so I think this learning with Aina will be quick
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There's a point in this chapter where Miruporon explains to her father what Ritzhard wants from him, and at other points she nods in understanding to something the other family members are saying. From that it's made very clear that Miruporon does know the basics of the language quite well, even if she doesn't have the confidence to try to speak it. It's the locals she rarely if ever interacts with who she can't follow. It's probably a combination of them speaking faster and using vocabulary that Miruporon's literally never heard before.
What I mean by that is: when Ritzhard talks to the Porons, it's always about the household. The Porons think of him as the "Great King", and Ritzhard doesn't want to offend them or cause distress by being overfamiliar. So there is a sense of respectful distance being maintained at all times. This context doesn't exist when Miruporon interacts with locals of her same age outside of the castle. That changes the vocabulary being used, and the manner in which it is used, and only a few unfamiliar words are enough to turn a sentence into gibberish - we all know the stock reaction quip: "I recognize some of these words." (As an example, it would not occur to Ritzhard or anyone else at his home in their wildest imaginings to call Miruporon a "giantess".)
As a basement-dwelling weeb, I've watched my share of anime with subtitles. Sometimes I don't have to look at the subtitles to understand what's being said, but most of the time... My reaction exactly matches Miruporon's.
She probably also lacks a formalized understanding of the grammar, but that's not strictly a necessity to understand conversation. I think it's up to vocabulary.
What I mean by that is: when Ritzhard talks to the Porons, it's always about the household. The Porons think of him as the "Great King", and Ritzhard doesn't want to offend them or cause distress by being overfamiliar. So there is a sense of respectful distance being maintained at all times. This context doesn't exist when Miruporon interacts with locals of her same age outside of the castle. That changes the vocabulary being used, and the manner in which it is used, and only a few unfamiliar words are enough to turn a sentence into gibberish - we all know the stock reaction quip: "I recognize some of these words." (As an example, it would not occur to Ritzhard or anyone else at his home in their wildest imaginings to call Miruporon a "giantess".)
As a basement-dwelling weeb, I've watched my share of anime with subtitles. Sometimes I don't have to look at the subtitles to understand what's being said, but most of the time... My reaction exactly matches Miruporon's.
She probably also lacks a formalized understanding of the grammar, but that's not strictly a necessity to understand conversation. I think it's up to vocabulary.
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It's not even stubbornness, our brains are wired in a certain way, the older you get the harder it is to learn new languages unless you were taught at a young age more than one, the difference is miru was raised around the language, while her parents are likely either outcasts, lost or possibly displaced, either way this would mean they wouldn't even know where to begin learning the language.
This is definitely a northern country, though i'm thinking norway or hungary since they have shown some things that are culturally diaspora of the prussian empire (this series seems to take place in the real world), if that's the case excluding the possibility the family is a family that fled the united states, they are likely either siberian or possibly mongolian maybe even ainu, all of which would be theoretically possible for travelers to reach, the dress they use seems native american styled, but all 3 of those nations also have similar styles of clothing.
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I'm afraid that this is going to end with Miruporon and the the guy that was harassing her showing interest in one another. I'm sick of "that person is a complete dickhead to me but suddenly they act a little bit kinder and that undoes all the rude/spiteful/hateful/abusive stuff they did before".
He's literally shouting at her and getting angry because he doesn't understand her while also calling her names. Then he acts like a dickhead to Aina too because she calls him on his crap. He doesn't deserve someone as cool as Miruporon.
Side note, I also approve of the beekeeping stuff on the cover. As someone who raises honeybees it's fun to see it depicted fairly well and not just "you reach your hand into the tree trunk and pull out gobs of raw honey and nothing else."
He's literally shouting at her and getting angry because he doesn't understand her while also calling her names. Then he acts like a dickhead to Aina too because she calls him on his crap. He doesn't deserve someone as cool as Miruporon.
Side note, I also approve of the beekeeping stuff on the cover. As someone who raises honeybees it's fun to see it depicted fairly well and not just "you reach your hand into the tree trunk and pull out gobs of raw honey and nothing else."
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I've kind of suspected that they're supposed to be Finnish. For instance in this chapter the jerk guy's last name is the very Finnish "Salonen" and it's not the first time that I've felt that certain things being shown feel very Finnish (full disclosure: I am not Finnish in the slightest so I obviously don't have the grasp of it that a native Fin would)
Of course his given name is apparently "Luca", which with that spelling wouldn't be Scandinavian and would be more likely to belong to countries with romance languages like Italy or Spain. So.... shrug
It's also possible that the author did a bunch of vaguely central/northern European cultures to also account for some of the other stuff depicted like the very Germanic origins of Sieg and her family and it all ended up in a blender and indistinctly morphing into a generic "those places up/over there" culture that doesn't 100% track to anything real.
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The main reason to think this takes place in the area of the prussian empire (a territory that encompassed parts of what is now germany, france, poland, the chech republic and denmark) is sieglinde's and ritzhard's name and family, alot of the products sieg's family produces are germanic products, sieg's military uniform and ritz's grandpa's suit looks prussian and denmark has to this day people who live like ritzhard's town does.
Also sieglinde is a common germanic feminine name, likely the female form of siegfried.
I would have said it might be the german empire period, but it seems unlikely to me since the technology looks closer to the mid 1800's instead of the late 1800's.
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Prussian empire never made it that far north in our history. I once said in the comments of an earlier chapter that the world of this series looks like Europe that Germany (or Prussia if you want to call it that) mostly conquered. Someone else said Finland might merely still belong to Sweden in this series. Even so I feel like that's not the whole story, even though Germany's influence in Sweden is much larger than in Finland, although it's not small in Finland either.
Even in our reality Finland has plenty of German names in use. Swedish names are a dime a dozen (Swedish is the other official language in Finland). To underline this all, the WW2 supreme commander of the Finnish Defence Forces, later a president, and voted the Greatest Finn in a popular voting some years ago is CGE Mannerheim. Sounds quite German. That being said, it could still be just the Kingdom of Sweden, just with an even greater German influence for some other alternate history reason.
This is definitely taking place in Finnish Lapland, nevertheless, no matter who owns the Finnish lands. Too many Finnish names and other small hints.
Nice, miruporon needed some development.
I hate the trope too, but at least he tried to communicate with her, unlike the other people. Nothing really abusive either, just awkward.
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Shouting at her and calling her a giantess in an insulting way is pretty bad. As is the sort of hypocritical way that he yells at her in his language as if that's going to help while getting angry at her for speaking in her language because she should be "smart enough" to know that he doesn't understand it.
It's not full-scale physically or mentally abusive, but it's pretty patronizing /condescending.
And from what we know of Miruporon she is awesome enough to not deserve any of that. Or the attentions of an idiot like him.
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I'm not sure how old he's supposed to be, but I think his interactions being like that is due to immaturity / awkwardness. It reminds me of how young boys act towards girls initially, feigning disinterest and/or being overly harsh since they don't yet know how to deal or express their feelings towards them appropriately. I for one am looking forward to him growing out of this and establishing a good relationship with Miruporon (which I'm sure the author will pull off very well, given the other pairings that have been cemented so far), along with Miruporon learning the language and becoming more familiar to other characters in the process.
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