Honzuki no Gekokujou ~Shisho ni Naru Tame ni wa Shudan wo Erandeiraremasen~ Dai 1-bu 「Hon ga Nai nara Tsukureba Ii!」 - Vol. 5 Ch. 24 - Into Winter

[WhimsiCat]

@Aichan: that spoiler's so wrong is like you're projecting hard to hate on nobles.

Spoiler

All nobles DO want to have high magic power people working with them (admittedly a fair amount also treat said commoners as slaves)

However the chance of finding someone of Myne's level is lower than finding needle in a haystack because unless you're born into a noble family already, chances are you will die looong before they ever find you. (Myne is alive by basically doing a process of mana condensing, a rather dangerous process that requires a lot of willpower and normally is only taught to nobles after they're sent to school due to the risk involved when failure occur)

Then there's the cost of education if they want to adopt said person rather than just having a contract like Frida does. (the magic tool, enough magic stones to last them the 6 years they're in school, etc)
Hell, the Temple is filled by basically 'nobles' rejected' who didn't get send to magic school because either the family judged they're too weak to be worth the investment, or the family don't have the fund to send them over other children.
A noble's own relatives, with higher magic power on average and more family loyalty, get rejected, so why would nobles bother to find these random commoners who may or may not exist, and even if they're somehow alive by baptism, likely don't have that much magic power anyway? The reward isn't worth the risk.

Yes Myne did release some magic wave later on in this arc, but all it can do is harm others, it has no use for daily life, can't compare in the efficiency of proper magic.
Even if the nobles taught how to do that to commoners to use them as some sort of militia then you run into the problem that actually trained (or rather, with the Staff) magicians can easily crush those people with ease, so it brings no benefit what so ever.

@kuzunagi13 : No, that's the thing with this series, almost everything has a logical in-universe reasoning.
Myne isn't an OP character by default

Spoiler

It's her constant struggle with the mana overload that accidentally turns her into a person with high mana.

See, because of her adult mental strength, she could resist when the mana would (and did) kill the young Myne before.

Every time she does this, she 'compress' the mana to push it back into her vessel.

But doing so basically increases her max MP, making the next push from mana overload stronger.

Repeat until either she breaks and die or she find a method to release the excess

By the time she get to that latter part, there's a few things that happened to her body already:

1. Her magic power level is HUGE, not 'I'm the most OP person in the world by large margin' huge, but more like 'I now have magic power on par with high ranking noble ADULT'

2. Each time she went into coma from the overload, she 'die' a little inside, forming fragments of magic stone (magic beings turned into magic stone upon death), this block the flow of her mana which is the cause of her random collapses from getting overly excited (and later on, from siphoning off too much mana)
Basically she has BOTH low and high blood pressure equivalent of mana.
(it get solved waaaay later)

Basically, it's a veeeeeeery slow paced series, but if you connect the cause and effect of various events, you can make sense of the logic behind things.

 

[Chrisis]

Guys, just a PSA: The light novel of this series is getting a digital release tomorrow (20 May (timezone: PT)), on bookwalker, Amazon etc.

The physical release is set to September iirc. (3 Sept, according to Amazon)

The translator is absolutely awesome, and aims to release one volume every 2 months!!!
That's absolutely mad, as the binds are larger than the average LN volume.
@Sparrow75

I'm totally going to double dip for this LN, and most likely the manga if it gets a physical release.

Manga: Kobo lists the first volume to be released June 18th.

 

[captain_crunch]

This happens to me when i try to hold in my farts around other people

 

[ArpanaR]

@Chrisis
Wow! It’s REAL!
I just checked it out! It’s really on amazon! It even says the paperback will be available in a few months!
Then I checked it out on Google play!

Spoiler

BTW, it’s on discount there, so probably a better option, though I’m not sure if it’s promotional temporary discount, or forever!

It also showed volume 1 of the manga on google play, which will be available next month!!
Translated by the same group J-novel club, will be available digitally on 18 June 2019 (it says on google play)

 

[CountryMage]

@Equilibrium This story started with her death, twice if you consider that she was reborn into a just dead girl. The consuming usually kills them younger than Myne is, you gotta have a pretty strong selfishness, to continue pushing past the "disease." The only thing keeping someone with the Consuming going, is the strength of their goals, their will to get there, and right here hers slipped.

 

[Acolytus]

She dead (again)

 

[Owyn]

RIP

 

[Aichan]

@WhimsiCat
No, how was that wrong?

Spoiler

Nobles are hiding the facts about magic - True, when Maine spoke about toronbe to the head priest, the head priest suggested she keep it quiet for fear of making herself a target by nobles. If the nobles want people to know, then why even the richest merchants have no idea about magic or the truth about the consuming illness?

Commoners can't use magic - True, because only nobles have the tools and the ability to make them. If the nobles want commoners to use magic, then why sell merchants broken tools and masquerade them as the cure instead of real magic tools?

Maine found a way to release magic without relying on nobles - True, because she can release it through toronbe

Maine can use magic without relying on tools - True, because she doesn't need to use tools to use compulsion on people

None of what I said was wrong, I just didn't elaborate because I didn't want to spoil too much. So how was it 'so wrong'?

 

[Herrgast]

Which chapter is it in the novel?

 

[WhimsiCat]

@Aichan it's misleading.

Spoiler

Head Priest telling Myne to hide the fact about the fruit is also because it spawn TORONBE.
I assume you've read the novel, in which case you should know how much devastation toronbe (and other dark monsters) can cause.
So if she spread that truth:
Yes the lower rank nobles will lose their potential income
BUT
The star festival that use a lot of that fruit might also get shut down due to the risk of toronbe.

So it'll hurt both nobles and commoners, not to mention without ways to spread news properly, it might cause chaos by some people misunderstanding some points.

(I'll admit my memory on that part is vague, but I'm pretty sure it's not only about keeping profits for the poorer low rank nobles)

> If the nobles want people to know, then why even the richest merchants have no idea about magic or the truth about the consuming illness?
Except they know though? Frida clearly understand what is the cause of her symptoms so your statement here is already false (in fact while she doesn't know what they'll use the magic stones she filled up for, she's aware of how the magic tool function and when to replace the stones) so clearly if someone has the connections to talk to nobles they can learn about consuming easily enough.
Benno didn't know because he didn't have much connections with nobles, and people who know like the guild master has no reason to divulge it (again, they're merchants, and information IS a merchandise to them)

Nobles don't bother to explain to all commoners about consuming for multiple reasons.
1. The nobles don't have infinite resource to make magic tools. Again, many families can't even manage to outfit their whole family members with it, how would they even have any spare for commoners who aren't even their family (and can't even pay for the price involved in making it)?
2. The amount of magic power in people with consuming are generally too little to be worth much.
3. There's no real way to identify someone with consuming for sure outside of doing the magic power test. But until you've done baptism the temple don't recognize you as a person (or rather, the Gods don't)
4. Generally nobles and commoners don't interact much, and when they do, it's basically just nobles giving orders and commoners having to follow it.
5. Maaaybe, just maybe, it's because it's such a specific topic you don't really bring up in normal conversations unless someone is looking into it.

>Commoners can't use magic - True, because only nobles have the tools and the ability to make them.

Correction: GODS give nobles the ability to use them. Remember the Staff? Yeah, considering most commoners don't even have a fraction of magic power the low rank nobles (y'know, the ones who need to spend most of their 10 years before school preparing magic stones?) Why would the Gods even give them one?
Without the Staff to make magic tools then there's rather limited things you can do (and a lot of them involve magic stones of far higher quality than what commoners can handle)

>If the nobles want commoners to use magic, then why sell merchants broken tools and masquerade them as the cure instead of real magic tools?
I did not say that nobles want people to be able to use magic (especially not the ones from having Staff, since those are more dangerous), but that they do want more people with high magic power, since that means they can spare magic power for things beside just maintenance of the land (think Black&White dolls)
The tools sold aren't broken ones, just low quality ones BECAUSE THE ONES SELLING THESE ARE LOW RANK NOBLES, who desperately need the extra income + they can recycle the magic tools that can't handle their magic to some people with less magic.
Myne broke one when Frida used it on her because her magic power was too high for the tool to handle.
And I'm pretty sure Frida call it magic tools, not a cure or anything that isn't magic tools, also that it's not a permanent cure, just a thing to reduce the effect of the fever. Otherwise she wouldn't need to bring up the whole contract with nobles to begin with.

However, while commoners can't use magic, magic itself is not foreign to them. The town itself is made with magic, there's magic contract (which even Benno who doesn't know about consuming has access to), Paru tree is a magic tree, toronbe as well magic plant (that's hazardous), using blood (which contain traces of your magic) to sign magic contract, etc.
Hell, if you look at the town's map at the start of vol 2, there's a spot saying it's a store that buy magic stones.
These are basically magic stones that commoners might get when they kill off weaker monsters outside of town.

>Maine found a way to release magic without relying on nobles - True, because she can release it through toronbe
Again, it's a method that risk spawning toronbe.
Also, Myne herself can't use that method, she has too much magic power. This method basically only work for people with weaker level of consuming.
Not to mention it's far safer to utilize the divine tools (even more so when she established later on the benefits it can bring)

 

[Keansor]

Side note for those interested: We'll be getting a bonus chapter covering what Benno talked about with Lutz while Maine was waiting.

@Herrgast this chapter of the manga ends on chapter 48 of the light novel.

 

[Herrgast]

@keansor thx

 

[Aichan]

Thanks to @Nighthawlc and @unime on their suggestion how to fix the broken spoiler. I've removed all the quotes.

@WhimsiCat

Spoiler

>>>Head Priest telling Myne to hide the fact about the fruit is also because it spawn TORONBE.
Okay, I apologize about this one, because the head priest wasn't aware that the toronbe spawned because of Maine's mana. The one she spoke to about this was Benno, whom she had told of the true nature of the illness beforehand. The head priest was informed about toronbe coming out from Tau fruit wreaking havoc, but there was no mention anywhere that he knew toronbe spawned because of Maine's mana

“The management of mana is under the jurisdiction of the nobles. If they learn that a fruit that can be easily picked up in the forest can replace expensive magic tools, the current state of affairs in noble society and in the temple will be upended. If it’s passed on in a weird way, you will probably get crushed.”

“… But, if we stay silent, commoners with the Devouring will remain a lost cause, won’t they?
Although I found a precious method of saving them, one that doesn’t even cost any money, those who can be saved won’t be saved if they don’t know!”

“Yes, that’s correct. However, how can you tell if children have the Devouring? Is there a way fellow Devouring sufferers can recognise each other?”

Here, it says Maine suggests telling the children with the illness how to cure the illness without letting the nobles know. Benno instead asked Maine if she can tell who has the illness. Which she later said she can't.

>>>Except they know though? Frida clearly understand what is the cause of her symptoms so your statement here is already false (in fact while she doesn't know what they'll use the magic stones she filled up for, she's aware of how the magic tool function and when to replace the stones) so clearly if someone has the connections to talk to nobles they can learn about consuming easily enough.
No, they didn't. They know only that the magic tools give them more time. They also know that those are broken magic tools, but they didn't know the cure was about releasing their own magic. They didn't know why it gave them more time. Give me a passage where Frieda stated that the consuming illness is magic overdose or similar.

>>>The nobles don't have infinite resource to make magic tools. Again, many families can't even manage to outfit their whole family members with it, how would they even have any spare for commoners who aren't even their family (and can't even pay for the price involved in making it)?
Okay, where was this mentioned? I admit I'm not infallible, but this was never mentioned anywhere.

>>>GODS give nobles the ability to use them. Remember the Staff? Yeah, considering most commoners don't even have a fraction of magic power the low rank nobles (y'know, the ones who need to spend most of their 10 years before school preparing magic stones?) Why would the Gods even give them one?
You're bringing up gods? How about you try to remember the real identity of holy relics?

>>>The tools sold aren't broken ones, just low quality ones BECAUSE THE ONES SELLING THESE ARE LOW RANK NOBLES, who desperately need the extra income + they can recycle the magic tools that can't handle their magic to some people with less magic.
Except it was specifically mentioned, by word, that they were broken magic tools. Go read back up, Blastron's work. Where did you even get this? Blastron specifically translated it as 'broken tools'. I don't remember there EVER a mention that only low rank nobles sell these, but I could be wrong.

>>>And I'm pretty sure Frida call it magic tools, not a cure or anything that isn't magic tools, also that it's not a permanent cure, just a thing to reduce the effect of the fever. Otherwise she wouldn't need to bring up the whole contract with nobles to begin with.
Yes, it has always been called magic tools. Everyone knows it's called magic tools. They didn't know that the way it works is by having the tools take out their own magic. They thought it was a tool that cures their illness, and had no idea that it does it by removing their own mana. The fact that she needed to sign the contract showed that she had no idea why she had to be dependent on the nobles, except she had to, to survive. If she had known, wouldn't she have told Maine from the very start since Maine is her only friend with the illness and won't be able to get as good a deal as hers? They did not connect that it was their own magic that was causing the problem.

Yes, it's called magic tool, just like the staff. But health amulets or healing staff (not yet appear in the translated chapters) would be called magic tools too. And these would heal you regardless of your own magic. But in this story, broken magic tools allow them to release their own magic. They didn't know that they have magic. This logic does not connect, because they do not know that commoners can also use magic. They know magic exists, they just do not know they also can use magic.

>>>Again, it's a method that risk spawning toronbe.
So? That doesn't change the fact that she found a way. We don't know yet that it doesn't work for her, because she only did it once.

>>>This method basically only work for people with weaker level of consuming.
I don't know where you get this. Which chapter?

 

[Nighthawlc]

@Aichan
I think the issue is the quoting and spoilers at the same time, so maybe remove the quote blocks and use something else to indicate that you're quoting, like >>>

 

[unime]

@Aichan
As @Nighthawlc said, the quotes in the spoilers the problem, which is strange cause i've seen it being done before but who knows i might have been imagining it. all you have to do is remove the quotes and you should be fine, or if you really want to quote, put the quote before the spoilers

 

[Sonata]

@Chrisis @ArpanaR
On a side note, if you're already memebers of j-novel then you can read as they update the novel weekly (or even sooner, it seems the last update was 5 days instead of 7). The j-novel version has just entered the chapter where Myne signs her first magic contract with Benno and Lutz for the rinsham and paper manufacturing rights. The translator seems to be going really fast too. I'm glad someone competent picked it up with the licensing instead of something like yenpress.

P.S. There was a cute side story about Lutz going hunting with Fey Ralf and Tuuli and them getting a couple magic stones to sell. So they know that the magic stones exist but Myne doesnt.

 

[WhimsiCat]

@Aichan :

Spoiler

Blastron's translation isn't perfect.

The exact word, taken from the RAW is: 壊れかけ寸前, which is 'it's on the verge of breaking'

Also, soon after Frida explains HOW THE MAGIC TOOL WORK
That it's a tool that, as an example, would absorb water that's about to spill from a cup, but the water inside the cup isn't gone, and when she grows up the amount of water would increases again
Also, the rate of growth of those water is faster than the growth of the cup, hence the need to use this magic tool multiple times

Yes she's using water as example, but she clearly referenced the mana and the mana capacity right there. (ch 49 in the RAW, not sure what it is for blastron, it's basically the chapter after this or two in the manga tho)

Maybe YOU should go and read it again.


Oh and btw, the guild master is the one who bought the near-broken magic tool, and those are still 3 small golds each (yes he knows it's near broken because it's useless to the nobles at this point which is why they're willing to part with it)

A magic tool that's in good condition? At least a large gold coin (10 small gold coins), not to mention good luck convincing the nobles to sell it instead of using it for one of their own.


As for when'd nobles not having infinite resourced mentioned....uhhh, all the time? Like how the temple is in serious mana shortage (and thus the desperation to recruit Myne) because a lot of the priests were called to Central or back home.
Or I believe around the time of noble cleans up, where a bunch of children of the traitor nobles are put into orphanage (at Myne's pleading, instead of being executed on the spot)
Myne wanted them to be able to attend school (just because the parent were criminals doesn't mean children are etc), but I think Head Priest basically mentions how it'll cost too much for the domain to handle, or will Myne pay for those cost herself, which Myne had to reluctantly back off.

>You're bringing up gods? How about you try to remember the real identity of holy relics?

Which? The Staff that's basically branch/root of the one God who's at the Garden of Beginning?
Or the relics at each temple, the ones that Myne was tasked with recharging during her time working there? I don't recall they ever mentioned how those were made.

>So? That doesn't change the fact that she found a way. We don't know yet that it doesn't work for her, because she only did it once.
"Hey I figured out a method that cure one thing, but just have the potential risk of causing devastating damage to the surrounding, let's use it!"

Myne intentionally spawned toronbe to farm their parts at one point, so she clearly used MULTIPLE fruits and she still have magic to spare.
Also, I'm pretty sure Tau fruit is only available during Summer, hence the festival being held then.
By Autumn it'd turn into toronbe from absorbing the soil's magic.

 

[ChinoKafuu]

Thanks for the new chapter >w<

 

[makotochin96]

>w< heart wrenching~

 

[Varler]

See, wouldn't a "golden goose" like her be able to get a sponsor to pay for her medical bills? Since if she's alive and able to keep thinking up ideas for them to sell, they'll easily make that money back. So her life shouldn't be in any real danger so long as the people around her are smart and know what a long-term investment is.