How to Grill Our Love - Vol. 14 Ch. 119 - Aim For Beautiful Skin! Summer Memory Tomato Curry.

[havelmom]

And what studies are you citing exactly for this specific claim of yours?

I'm glad you asked
https://www.mdpi.com/2072-6694/15/24/5868
you might want to check SciHub for studies on each individual compound
here's a summary of it

• Oxybenzone (Benzophenone-3)
  • Concerns: Hormone disruption and potential to generate free radicals, which can damage cells.
  • Status: Not classified as a carcinogen, but studies indicate potential risks with prolonged exposure.
• Octinoxate (Ethylhexyl methoxycinnamate)
  • Concerns: Hormone disruption and potential photocarcinogenicity (reacting with UV light to form harmful compounds).
• Homosalate
  • Concerns: Breakdown products may exhibit toxic effects.
• Avobenzone
  • Concerns: Degradation when exposed to sunlight can produce potentially harmful byproducts, but it is not inherently carcinogenic.
• Parabens
  • Concerns: Preservatives used in some sunscreens have been linked to hormone disruption and theoretical cancer risks.
• Titanium Dioxide and Zinc Oxide (in nano-form)
  • Concerns: Non-nano forms are considered safe, but nanoparticles could potentially penetrate skin or be inhaled (in spray sunscreens), raising concerns about carcinogenicity, especially in the lungs.

 

[fight2live]

lol that cooking part wasn't necessary

 

[RedIce05]

I'm glad you asked
https://www.mdpi.com/2072-6694/15/24/5868
you might want to check SciHub for studies on each individual compound
here's a summary of it

So, I read the paper and I’m not entirely sure where in the article you get the idea that sunscreen causes skin cancer. The authors clearly state that “there is strong evidence that supports that sunscreen use significantly reduces the risk of squamous cell carcinoma [a type of skin cancer].” This contradicts your assertion that sun screen causes skin cancer. Yes, they do follow-up that evidence for sunscreen’s protective effects for other types of skin cancer (basal cell and melanomas) is not as robust but they don’t implicate that sun screen use causes skin cancer.

They do bring up the possibility that sunscreen ingredients may have compounds that may form reactive oxygen species which may be carcinogenic but the studies they cite are in vitro experiments and non-epidemiological. This is a minor claim of theirs considering they have other hypotheses regarding why skin cancer incidence is increasing despite sun screen use. This is especially true considering the their perspective is that “the rise in melanoma rates may not be due solely to the ineffectiveness of sunscreens. Instead, it points toward a multifaceted issue where increased detection, particularly of less aggressive melanomas, plays a significant role.”

The scientific research you are citing is not supporting your claims that skin cancer is being caused by sun screen.

 

[K_Takuya]

I'm glad you asked
https://www.mdpi.com/2072-6694/15/24/5868
you might want to check SciHub for studies on each individual compound
here's a summary of it

I do like how you genuinely cited a single article that isn’t even a meta-analysis, despite there being loads more articles that argues against your claim, and even then the only thing you cite seems to contradict your your own opinion as stated by literally everyone in this forums.

Like legit this is some Antivax-mom cherrypicking behavior

 

[RoaringAardvark]

lol that cooking part wasn't necessary

I kind of agree. He sort of cooked himself to start with...

 

[RoaringAardvark]

What? You mean men aren't supposed to end up with skin that looks like an old basketball?

 

[damian_stefan1989]

the cooking bit this time felt totally just slapped on as an obligation, considering the noticeably short length and non-existent transitions before and after

It's been like this for ages, which is why I don't enjoy this series as much as I did at first... But usually it's more about the cooking with the plot tacked on last minute. Choose your poison...?

 

[havelmom]

I do like how you genuinely cited a single article that isn’t even a meta-analysis, despite there being loads more articles that argues against your claim, and even then the only thing you cite seems to contradict your your own opinion as stated by literally everyone in this forums.

Like legit this is some Antivax-mom cherrypicking behavior

I just picked the first one I saw in scihub, one of the hypothesis clearly suggest it, you probably didn't read it all—
you can also individually see meta-analysis on the compounds suspected of causing melanoma—
but I guess a 500% increase is not enough cause for concern, in your opinion

like legit some cigarette-smoking doctor behavior

The scientific research you are citing is not supporting your claims that skin cancer is being caused by sun screen.

2 of the hypothesis do—
but feel free to ignore every single carcinogenic compound that most studies cite
you think they're safe, I just disagree with you

 

[RedIce05]

I just picked the first one I saw in scihub, one of the hypothesis clearly suggest it, you probably didn't read it all—
you can also individually see meta-analysis on the compounds suspected of causing melanoma—
but I guess a 500% increase is not enough cause for concern, in your opinion

like legit some cigarette-smoking doctor behavior



2 of the hypothesis do—
but feel free to ignore every single carcinogenic compound that most studies cite
you think they're safe, I just disagree with you

You are being disingenuous and misrepresenting the article. Only one of the hypotheses talk about potential risk coming from the ingredients of sunscreen itself for melanoma. That section is the least developed and the evidence they cite is related to non-clinical studies. I’m not sure what the second one you’re referring to. The other relevant hypotheses are: (1) that sunscreen use has led to people being outside more but not reapplying sunscreen adequately and (2) that old sun screens that were studied were not considered “full-spectrum” and as a result, many did not block UV-A so they did not confer increased protection against melanoma (while still being effective against squamous cell carcinoma). As a whole, the authors don’t seem to strongly suggest that sun screen’s ingredients. They acknowledge it might be possible contributed but they lean towards many other reasons.

Also, you are not disputing the fact that study you cite says that there is strong evidence that sun screen prevents non-melanoma skin cancer so do you concede that?

Finally, can you give a citation for that 500% number you are referencing?

 

[havelmom]

Finally, can you give a citation for that 500% number you are referencing?

https://www.bsms.ac.uk/about/news/2...creased-dramatically-over-recent-decades.aspx

call me crazy, but a strong curve deviation is clear indication of a substantial change
most hypothesis seem vague and dismissive until you start reading more about 5+ possible carcinogens present in the synthetic cream

ex (https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/jocd.12449)

Also, you are not disputing the fact that study you cite says that there is strong evidence that sun screen prevents non-melanoma skin cancer so do you concede that?

I disagree, but it certainly prevents short term damage;

If you want to continue the convo, feel free to hit my profile or DM me, I'm starting to feel bad for spamming the manga comment section with my infodump , it's just something I've been curious about for some time

 

[ayatome]

what the fuck, why is the face mask so expensive.

ok so its 12k yen for 8 sheets. that means 1.5k yen per sheet. considering the sheets i bought are usually 1k to 800 yen range, i guess she bought premium ones. and i see that she bought SK-II, which is a known expensive brand...

quality skincare is so expensive 🥲

 

[LupusVir]

I don't know if sunscreen is a factor in rising skin cancer rates. But it's stupid to dismiss the idea while studies are ongoing. Time and time again for hundreds of years, we expose everyone to harmful substances that everyone thinks is perfectly fine, doctors included. It's incredibly arrogant to assume that we won't make that mistake again, or that we aren't making that mistake right now. The rise in skin cancer incidence despite increased usage of sunscreen is most definitely cause for concern. There's something we're missing, even if it's not the sunscreen itself.

 

[cokelemon]

what the fuck, why is the face mask so expensive.

ok so its 12k yen for 8 sheets. that means 1.5k yen per sheet. considering the sheets i bought are usually 1k to 800 yen range, i guess she bought premium ones. and i see that she bought SK-II, which is a known expensive brand...

quality skincare is so expensive 🥲

She didn't buy the Sk-II btw, it was stated that it's an apology gift so Kenta must've bought it for her

 

[testableneptune]

everyday? that's like 10 bucks a sheet Kenta!

 

[Zucche]

Are they using Hada Labo too?

 

[friendly]

Ooohh, good for Kenta. Its good t' look after your skin! Aside from looks, it cuts down a ton on skin irritation.

For any fellas who are curious- ya don't have to really get fancy! A simple gentle moisturizing face wash n' lotion once a day (like, just wash ya face when you shower n hit it with lotion after) is all ya need. CeraVe is a good brand- its simple and cheap as hell.

 

[EchoGirl]

It was so funny when Chihiro said that she’d know that Kenta would get hooked on skincare because he likes marinating meat 😂

I've heard of ppl using raw egg and mayonnaise as 'face masks', wouldn't be surprised if some meat-y form too XD


I do like 'cooling' sheet masks (tried some 'heated' ones too but don't see them as often) tho i don't think i've ever felt the need to refrigerate any lol

 

[Geardofwario]

Man...I ain't fynna do moisturizer, lotion, cleanser, and whatever the hell else people do EVERY DAY.

 

[K_Takuya]

I just picked the first one I saw in scihub, one of the hypothesis clearly suggest it, you probably didn't read it all—
you can also individually see meta-analysis on the compounds suspected of causing melanoma—
but I guess a 500% increase is not enough cause for concern, in your opinion

like legit some cigarette-smoking doctor behavior

The problem with you calling me a ciggy-smoking doctor is that I know damn well doctors know cigs cause a plethora of problems, thing is they literally want to die. I should know, I've been to medschool

Like, ok. Show me the amount it takes for each materials to become carcinogenic, and show me the amount of each materials in a common sunscreen.

 

[havelmom]

The problem with you calling me a ciggy-smoking doctor is that I know damn well doctors know cigs cause a plethora of problems, thing is they literally want to die. I should know, I've been to medschool

Like, ok. Show me the amount it takes for each materials to become carcinogenic, and show me the amount of each materials in a common sunscreen.

https://forums.mangadex.org/members/havelmom.7926/#profile-post-24420