I Don't Love You Anymore - Vol. 1 Ch. 12
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Did Joachim really say Wistrash at first? 😂😂 Thank you so much for updating! I am looking forward to the character development in this series
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Joachim is has quite a trollish side on him. 🤣
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@BimBim85 This would be believable if they were engaged and living together for a few months or a year. Even if he tried his damn hardest to avoid her and not pay attention to her, I find it hard to believe that he never noticed how others treated her. They were together for SEVEN YEARS (not including the time he was away at war). Am I to believe that they never made a public appearance together before this? He was never in the same room as her and other people? These people (aristocrats, servants and what not) who unabashedly mistreat her in plain view, regardless of whether her (ex-)fiance was present or not? It has also been shown many times that he hears rumours about his fiance's clinginess. (So it's not like he has evaded any rumour/talk about her.) Were all the other rumours surrounding her upbringing and how others view her (aside the clinginess) filtered out? This is all only now coming to his attention because he supposedly cares now? I don't buy it. I'm hating the writing of the duke's character more than I hate the duke himself. I wish he was a more believable character.
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Forgive my text blocks (I'll hide them in spoiler tags)! I don't expect anyone to read all of it. I'm just loopy at 1am and don't want to go to bed yet!
TL;DR Version: Yes. From her lack of proper attire for parties/functions to people being able to openly mock her for his disinterest in her, it shows that she, more than likely, does not go out the way he does and do not make public appearances together.
TL;DR Version: It looks like he has blinders on in some cases (ex: when she was passed out in the hallway and he carried her back, he didn't seem to question why she wasn't eating with them or being taken care of) and in other cases he doesn't get the full story (ex: with the slapping incident the woman acted one way in front of her and another way in front of him).
TL;DR Version: He wasn't there for those rumours and did not care to investigate. Clearly, no one would bring up old rumours with him when they would already assume he would know them.
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R Version: He doesn't care. Not really (maybe not yet?). He's just shocked at how blind he was and is coming to terms with the fact that he might have been wrong all those years.
Forgive my text blocks (I'll hide them in spoiler tags)! I don't expect anyone to read all of it. I'm just loopy at 1am and don't want to go to bed yet!
TL;DR Version: Yes. From her lack of proper attire for parties/functions to people being able to openly mock her for his disinterest in her, it shows that she, more than likely, does not go out the way he does and do not make public appearances together.
As the story reads now...yeah. It doesn't spell everything out, but it looks like she would go to functions alone. After all, she was publicly mocked for his disinterest prior to even signing the papers, so that was well-known even then. That disconnect even shows in the earliest chapters when she had to ask staff if he was home or where he was. He even said something akin to not wanting to be in her presence.
But most importantly, think about her clothing. Do you remember the fact that she barely had any clothing and what she had was outdated? That shows that she wasn't someone who constantly went to these parties/functions while it's safe to say that he was as they have arguments about why he would hang out with people who would badmouth her.
But most importantly, think about her clothing. Do you remember the fact that she barely had any clothing and what she had was outdated? That shows that she wasn't someone who constantly went to these parties/functions while it's safe to say that he was as they have arguments about why he would hang out with people who would badmouth her.
TL;DR Version: It looks like he has blinders on in some cases (ex: when she was passed out in the hallway and he carried her back, he didn't seem to question why she wasn't eating with them or being taken care of) and in other cases he doesn't get the full story (ex: with the slapping incident the woman acted one way in front of her and another way in front of him).
It doesn't look like he has actually seen much of the mistreatment, only heard the rumours or the aftermath. I believe that was the whole point of the slapping incident, to show that their relationship is so fractured that not only does he not ask for her side of the story, but that he is surrounded by two-faced people who he believes/clings to instead of her. After all, the other woman suddenly played the victim when he appeared when she was the instigator. That seems to be par for the course. He hears that her personality is bad and he takes that at face value and never tries to get to know if that is the case.
Interestingly enough, we do see that he has had hints of her mistreatment, but we don't always know what he did regarding it. One example is when the butler tells him what actually happened during the slapping incident. If memory serves, he didn't apologize, but blamed her for not telling him herself (even though he refused to give her the chance to do so). Another example we see is of when she collapsed in the hall from being ill and he carried her to her room. I don't remember what became of that, but I don't think he actually did anything about it or even question her as to why she was in the hallway with a fever and why no one was caring for her. It shows a level of apathy and disinterest that borders on the obscene...and that's the point. He is actively ducking and dodging the flashing lights and waving flags.
Interestingly enough, we do see that he has had hints of her mistreatment, but we don't always know what he did regarding it. One example is when the butler tells him what actually happened during the slapping incident. If memory serves, he didn't apologize, but blamed her for not telling him herself (even though he refused to give her the chance to do so). Another example we see is of when she collapsed in the hall from being ill and he carried her to her room. I don't remember what became of that, but I don't think he actually did anything about it or even question her as to why she was in the hallway with a fever and why no one was caring for her. It shows a level of apathy and disinterest that borders on the obscene...and that's the point. He is actively ducking and dodging the flashing lights and waving flags.
TL;DR Version: He wasn't there for those rumours and did not care to investigate. Clearly, no one would bring up old rumours with him when they would already assume he would know them.
This is another one of those times when the story paints with a broad brush rather than holding your hand and giving minute details. In these later chapters he was told that he wasn't around for those rumours about her lineage or upbringing. He was in the army at the time those rumours were making their rounds. It is safe to say that by the time he came back that was considered "old news" that everyone already knew. Hence the surprise when it turns out Wistash had not a clue.
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R Version: He doesn't care. Not really (maybe not yet?). He's just shocked at how blind he was and is coming to terms with the fact that he might have been wrong all those years.Well, it's not that he suddenly cares. It's that he suddenly realizes that he didn't do right by her. Maybe he will start to care later, but right now is a time of self-reflection for him and he is feeling crazy amounts of shock and guilt. He's not feeling heartache over loss, a burst of love, or anything like that. This is him finally realizing his own failures and mistakes and the fact that he may have done her wrong. I think the story will more than likely progress to the point where he starts love her, but he doesn't right now.
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I was also confused, omg. So she will be adopted as the daughter of the emperor? So she can marry Joachim? The Emperor of the Neighboring country? o w o. But then, I think that would make the process easier. So she can leave Thierry right away. Poor, Rubiel. :"( Can't see her unnie anymore. :"( And that face of Wistrash, UGH. I can't even stand it. Why would you make such face? You don't own her. She's not your fiancee anymore. Those years are enough. Can't believe this is how your mind works.
I love how Joachim is very gentle towards our dear FL. Who won't fall in love 😭😭😭 He's so dreamy and is not selfish to give out smiles. 😭😭😭 And when she made a curtsy towards him, he kissed her hand after 🥰 Looks like Neveah isn't used to it at all 😊 And when he kissed her forehead, just damn it. Why so gentle? 😍😍 Neveah's not used to all of those at all 😆 Very well, I am so anticipating on how our ML would pamper our dear FL in the future. 🥺 Bcos that's what Neveah deserve 🥺
I love how Joachim is very gentle towards our dear FL. Who won't fall in love 😭😭😭 He's so dreamy and is not selfish to give out smiles. 😭😭😭 And when she made a curtsy towards him, he kissed her hand after 🥰 Looks like Neveah isn't used to it at all 😊 And when he kissed her forehead, just damn it. Why so gentle? 😍😍 Neveah's not used to all of those at all 😆 Very well, I am so anticipating on how our ML would pamper our dear FL in the future. 🥺 Bcos that's what Neveah deserve 🥺
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@BimBim85 I'm still not convinced, because his level of ignorance goes beyond just "disinterest". He would have to actively be avoiding information about her, but in order to do that he would have to know something about her. And at the same time he shows a superficial level of concern. He steps in when he sees something obviously wrong (like if she is sick, or her room has no curtains), and thinks he is fulfilling his duties as a fiance. So he notices she is abused sometimes, corrects it, but looks no deeper and actively avoids learning more about her. But still thinks himself righteous.
And he probably also doesn't notice the advances of all the other women throwing themselves at him, which shows just how little they think of her, and that they believe he doesn't intend to honor the engagement either.
And the thing is, she did try to talk to him, so how could those conversations have gone for him to not know her situation? She never once complained about the treatment from the servants? Was he blocking his ears and screaming over her to avoid hearing? How can he think she is clingy if they spend no time together and don't speak? "I had to spend all of 30 seconds telling my fiancee of ten years that I don't want to talk to her, which is the entirety of my interaction with her this month. Such a clingy woman."
The thing that makes no sense to me is that he is surprised by all of this. If he was aware but uncaring, that would be one thing. Or unaware but finding it natural that others hate her, since he hated her too. Even if he was uncaring, aware, and still shocked by her leaving him, I could get it. But how could he be unaware and shocked that other people followed his lead? Plus the contradiction that he believed her father cared for her, and yet he never received any complaints from her father? If the father cared for her, he would have complained about not seeing her at social functions with him, since it would be a slight against her. If the count didn't complain to him about his abuse, why did he expect the count to complain to the other people who mocked her?
And he probably also doesn't notice the advances of all the other women throwing themselves at him, which shows just how little they think of her, and that they believe he doesn't intend to honor the engagement either.
And the thing is, she did try to talk to him, so how could those conversations have gone for him to not know her situation? She never once complained about the treatment from the servants? Was he blocking his ears and screaming over her to avoid hearing? How can he think she is clingy if they spend no time together and don't speak? "I had to spend all of 30 seconds telling my fiancee of ten years that I don't want to talk to her, which is the entirety of my interaction with her this month. Such a clingy woman."
The thing that makes no sense to me is that he is surprised by all of this. If he was aware but uncaring, that would be one thing. Or unaware but finding it natural that others hate her, since he hated her too. Even if he was uncaring, aware, and still shocked by her leaving him, I could get it. But how could he be unaware and shocked that other people followed his lead? Plus the contradiction that he believed her father cared for her, and yet he never received any complaints from her father? If the father cared for her, he would have complained about not seeing her at social functions with him, since it would be a slight against her. If the count didn't complain to him about his abuse, why did he expect the count to complain to the other people who mocked her?
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In the novel (only 3 chap and she just sign the doc) we see a litle Wistrash POV.
He come home after the war and she welcome him. But that bother him, after that she try to talk about his life and other peoples but he think she is just jalous.
When she slap Lady Eutace he just assumed she was just jalous since she ask about Eustace just before and must have this kind of behavior daily. He never ask or talk to her.
He just assumed she is something without checking. When the butler tell him about Eustace insult MC, he admit she was right this time and he will apologyse ans asking her for a tea. But she already left.
I note he didn't bother to ask his butler too about MC. When he realise she left for the first time is when he come home and she didn't welcome him as usual. But he assumed she must do something and didn't ask his butler. In fact, it's after 2 or 3 days he realise it's strange he didn't see her at all in the house.
I won't defend him btw.
In the novel (only 3 chap and she just sign the doc) we see a litle Wistrash POV.
He come home after the war and she welcome him. But that bother him, after that she try to talk about his life and other peoples but he think she is just jalous.
When she slap Lady Eutace he just assumed she was just jalous since she ask about Eustace just before and must have this kind of behavior daily. He never ask or talk to her.
He just assumed she is something without checking. When the butler tell him about Eustace insult MC, he admit she was right this time and he will apologyse ans asking her for a tea. But she already left.
I note he didn't bother to ask his butler too about MC. When he realise she left for the first time is when he come home and she didn't welcome him as usual. But he assumed she must do something and didn't ask his butler. In fact, it's after 2 or 3 days he realise it's strange he didn't see her at all in the house.
I won't defend him btw.
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Woah wistrash acts as if the engagement actually meant something.....After they broke it.
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@Kynnath Completely agree with you. In one of my huge text dumps I said "He is actively ducking and dodging the flashing lights and waving flags." What is blatant to us as readers (your example of clear abandonment by her family since they don't make a complaint abt her mistreatment) is not something that even crosses his mind. If, as we both say, he is actively avoiding information abt her, then that would also naturally flow into him not thinking abt her happiness or safety (or even him avoiding thinking about her at all), him not questioning the circumstances surrounding her currently or before she arrived at the house, and him not taking any active interest in her at all.
Also, you made a great point about him not even noticing other women throwing themselves at him. Dude is blind af. Blind to their affections and hers. Honestly, I would say she was just as blind as she continued to nurture her love for him while receiving nothing in return for years with the expectation that one day her feelings will get through to him. We can see from her previous argument with him abt who he hanging around with outside the home that we know he is doing things that she finds hurtful and it would be safe to assume that it wasn't the first time...and she just kept forgiving him? Seems there was blatantly blind ignorance on both sides.
As for her not complaining abt her treatment, we aren't shown that, but that doesn't mean it didn't happen. Again, think of the fight they had abt who he was hanging out with. She made a clear complaint that he was quick to listen to other people who badmouth her, but never speak to her himself. He continuously shut her down, refused to listen, and even turned the fact that she was upset abt him being friendly with another woman against her as proof of the rumour that she was "clingy." These are all fast-moving snippets of their relationship. Clearly, he has not been open to her emotions, needs, or words. After all, if she is "clingy" for not wanting her fiancé to hang out with a woman who desires him, then what story would he tell himself abt her if she complains abt her treatment in their home?
Also, you made a great point about him not even noticing other women throwing themselves at him. Dude is blind af. Blind to their affections and hers. Honestly, I would say she was just as blind as she continued to nurture her love for him while receiving nothing in return for years with the expectation that one day her feelings will get through to him. We can see from her previous argument with him abt who he hanging around with outside the home that we know he is doing things that she finds hurtful and it would be safe to assume that it wasn't the first time...and she just kept forgiving him? Seems there was blatantly blind ignorance on both sides.
As for her not complaining abt her treatment, we aren't shown that, but that doesn't mean it didn't happen. Again, think of the fight they had abt who he was hanging out with. She made a clear complaint that he was quick to listen to other people who badmouth her, but never speak to her himself. He continuously shut her down, refused to listen, and even turned the fact that she was upset abt him being friendly with another woman against her as proof of the rumour that she was "clingy." These are all fast-moving snippets of their relationship. Clearly, he has not been open to her emotions, needs, or words. After all, if she is "clingy" for not wanting her fiancé to hang out with a woman who desires him, then what story would he tell himself abt her if she complains abt her treatment in their home?
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i hate these self serving bastard...do they not have pride?! they were rude before and now they tried to lick her feet? damn....
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I should not be as hooked as I am on this series.
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OH HO He deserved that humiliation bwauhahahaha. MORE
