Imasara desuga, Osananajimi o Suki ni Natte Shimaimashita - Ch. 45 - Wandering Through The Night

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Over all the BDSM/femdom relationships, and the Role Reversal, again without this focus, you cannot understand Imasara or the other Maruto works

Aside from when Aya tells Yuu to shut up long after they break up, when does Aya ever command Yuu to do anything?

 

[peortega1]

Aside from when Aya tells Yuu to shut up long after they break up, when does Aya ever command Yuu to do anything?

All the times she says him to going to have sex, for example. The girl literally carried out Yuu of a train to get their first time in chapter 25. She forces him in chapter 26.6 to going to the love hotel when he said they had to return to their houses because it was already late. She doesn´t like hear a "No", and this is why Yuu is so... diplomatic and careful with her.
I´m not going to start with this again, we already had talked this point. Again, in their relationship Ayami was always who taked the decisions, not Yuu. She is the boyfriend in this relationship, and she likes being it.
Hikari also adopted this focus, but being less submissive and more forgiveness, when she discovered "Aya-chan" is able to bite up when she is upset.
Without this female domination/role reversal focus, is almost impossible understand Ayami/Yuu relationship, or why Hikari didn´t feel attracted by Yuu in middle school even when she herself says Yuu was popular and there were girls who used Hikari as a middlegirl to get dates with Yuu.

 

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She doesn´t like hear a "No", and this is why Yuu is so... diplomatic and careful with

Yuu's diplomatic because he's conflict averse and usually doesn't have a reason to say no. When he does have a reason to, then he says no (26.5/26.6)-and Aya teases/asks/coaxes/coerces him into a yes.

The girl literally carried out Yuu of a train to get their first time in chapter 25.

"I was the one who clung to him so desperately." doesn't scream confidence that he agree, much less a demand that he say yes. Which again, when does she make a confident demand?

Yeah Aya sets the tone of their relationship, but she's not doing it from a place of confidence - in 26.6 she straight up wonders why Yuu gives into her - and confidence in the dynamic is basically a prerequisite for actual BDSM/BDSM like dynamics.

 

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Yuu's diplomatic because he's conflict averse and usually doesn't have a reason to say no

Of course. And because he knows very well how Aya reacts when she doesn´t get what she wants, as was proven in chapter 24. The series proved this is securely the best method to control Ayami and put her under some moral limits, much better than the rage-repenting-pardon cycle of Hikari.
Yuu´s personality is one of the reasons he is compatible with Ayami and why he is right now the only one able to control the time bomb Yami it is. That is one of the reasons why she feels attracted for him in a way she never felt before with nobody.

When he does have a reason to, then he says no (26.5/26.6)-and Aya teases/asks/coaxes/coerces him into a yes.

So, he is submissive and she is dominant and she really orders him to make things where he has reasons to say not. This definitely sounds very well to a female domination/BDSM relationship.

"I was the one who clung to him so desperately." doesn't scream confidence that he agree

Considering this is the moment where she establishes her relationship with him, her almost-confession-but-not-confession ("bind him with your body!"), is logical she is insecure in this point. And her fear is more than Yuu faring from her, than Yuu rejecting her.
Precisely Yuu omake 4 and chapter 25.5 are the points where Ayami recognizes officially she is in love with Yuu (and Yuu thinks on her as "my girlfriend") and where we can say they are the official start points of their relationship.

much less a demand that he say yes

This happens in chapter 24, she definitely demanded him to say yes to going to the love hotel. She also demands he looks her while she is crying:

I felt Yuu shifting in the bed beside me, turning to face me.
"Look at me..."
"I'm looking."
"Not with those indecent eyes. I mean, look at me properly, seriously."
"I am looking seriously.."

This definitely is a demand.

Which again, when does she make a confident demand?

Precisely chapters 26.5 and 26.6 are a good example.

Yeah Aya sets the tone of their relationship, but she's not doing it from a place of confidence - in 26.6 she straight up wonders why Yuu gives into her

Ayami trusts on Yuu in chapter 26.6. Her words in this chapter is more she feels guilty to make Yuu is saying lies for her, than she wondering why Yuu gives into her

and confidence in the dynamic is basically a prerequisite for actual BDSM/BDSM like dynamics.

Not neccesarily. Confidence in the dynamic is a prerequisite for a HEALTHY bdsm/bdsm like dynamics. Yuu works actively for build this trust bond between Yami and him, and until certain point he manages to do it (and Yami also tries actively on trust Yuu because he is the only one who is able to make her feel secure), but more than insecurities, are the communication problems of Yami who ruined their relationship
Because that is other prerequisite for a healthy BDSM/BDSM like dynamics: open and absolute communication and trust between them. Yuu fulfills his part as the submissive member of the pair, and is Yami who fails as the dominant member.

 

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is right now the only one able to control the time bomb Yami it is.

??? she ghosted him rather than trusting him w/ her family stuff & then a year later exploded on him

Precisely chapters 26.5 and 26.6 are a good example.

The chapters where he digs in on watching the movie despite her throwing herself at him? and where she exploits her status as a secret to get him to say yes after he's firmly said no? It's also the chapter where Aya thinks he "shouldn't give in to the older girl who is ready to surrender herself to him", which also indicates that she's not in it to dominate him.

she definitely demanded him to say yes to going to the love hotel

Where's the quote in text? B/c Yuu's POV makes it sound very much like a mutual wound licking session. Which that's the other thing - nothing from Yuu's POV indicates he thinks he's in a BDSM like relationship. His memories of the relationship portray it as a super vanilla he thinks his girlfriend is happy b/c she's affectionate and adoring.

She also demands he looks her while she is crying:

He's already looking at her, as he says. What she's asking is that he see the real her. Which isn't something she can really order him to do.

This definitely sounds very well to a female domination/BDSM relationship.

Or a relationship between an ambitious planner type and a go w/ the flow type?

 

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??? she ghosted him rather than trusting him w/ her family stuff & then a year later exploded on him

He also lashed out at Hikari; in fact, she acted much worse toward Hikari than she did toward Yuu. And you yourself were the one who boasted that Aya decided to kiss Yuu when she saw Hikari at the door like a gossipy spy. So, for a change, if we accept your point about Yuu, then it applies a thousand times more to Hikari.
I said that he's the only one who can control Ayami, not that Yuu has always managed to do so. That's precisely why she chooses ghosting instead of saying goodbye, because she knows that if she talks to him, Yuu will convince her to trust him with firm words.

The chapters where he digs in on watching the movie despite her throwing herself at him?

Yes, that's a good example of her making a "confident demand" on him and him managing to navigate it diplomatically.

and where she exploits her status as a secret to get him to say yes after he's firmly said no?

This isn't in the text, as usual; we're still stuck with your headcanons that have no textual basis. At most, we could say that Aya exploits the status of her and Yuu having sex as a secret, which is very different from "Ayami herself's status as a secret".
At no point does Ayami show the slightest discomfort with what you called the "PG version" of her relationship with Yuu, except with Hikari (and maybe her own mother, if my theory is true and Yami mother learning about Yuu had something to see with her suicide´s attempt), which proves that neither Yuu nor she are truly afraid of Yuu's parents finding out they're a couple —making it even more likely that Yuu's parents did find out about Ayami at some point in their relationship.
There's a reason why Ayami is pleased when Yuu tells her in chapter 28 that he isn't ashamed of her. The only thing they really want to hid from everyone, is the sexual +18 parts of their relationship.

It's also the chapter where Aya thinks he "shouldn't give in to the older girl who is ready to surrender herself to him", which also indicates that she's not in it to dominate him.

No, it simply indicates that she feels morally guilty for making Yuu lie to his family again, for her sake. That's why she kisses Yuu and takes him to the love hotel right after thinking that. His innocent gaze as he tells her, "I'm doing all this so I can spend more time with you", is what makes her fall even more in love -and desire- with him.
All of which proves that Yami does really enjoy dominating Yuu and is the leitmotiv of their relationship.

Where's the quote in text? B/c Yuu's POV makes it sound very much like a mutual wound licking session

Here:

Even when we left the family restaurant or when we came in here, Yuu had been whining the whole time. But all it took was me pretending to lose my temper, and he caved immediately. What a pushover.

Yuu's POV, which takes place more than 12 hours later, presents it in much better terms than "mutual wound licking session"
Further proof of what I told you about Haru and how Haru is the character who represents Team Hikari like you —when I highly doubt Hikari herself saw Yuu and Ayami's first time in such derogatory terms.

Which that's the other thing - nothing from Yuu's POV indicates he thinks he's in a BDSM like relationship

The whole thing about how he felt she was protecting him from the moment he met her, from his point of view. Him calling her "senpai" even though she lost all legal and social right to the title after chapter 25. Etc. The list is ridiculously long, and I've already listed it here before.
A BDSM-like relationship doesn't necessarily involve whips, leather outfits, and all that stuff. I've cited several examples of that type of series here—starting with Shikimori-san—and I won't repeat myself.

His memories of the relationship portray it as a super vanilla he thinks his girlfriend is happy b/c she's affectionate and adoring.

Yes, definitely you don´t understand female domination stories. A dommy girlfriend can still be affectionate, adoring and all that.

He's already looking at her, as he says. What she's asking is that he see the real her. Which isn't something she can really order him to do.

And yet she orders him to do it anyway, even though she can't force Yuu to do it; she feels there's something about him that will make him obey her in that moment. In other words, the emotional connection that Yuu himself talks about in his POV.

Or a relationship between an ambitious planner type and a go w/ the flow type?

I still don't see any real difference between what you said and "a dominant top girl and a submissive bottom boy".

 

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said that he's the only one who can control Ayami, not that Yuu has always managed to do so.

When has he ever?

we're still stuck with your headcanons that have no textual basis.

He lied to his parents about who he's out with in a chapter where he was dead set on going out to the movies.

Aya exploits the status of her and Yuu having sex as a secret

Aya points out the hickey she gave him while they were making out.

But all it took was me pretending to lose my temper, and he caved immediately. What a pushover.

This is an example of Aya manipulating Yuu into doing what she wants (by pretending). That's kind of the polar opposite of commanding someone.

Him calling her "senpai" even though she lost all legal and social right to the title after chapter 25

She's older than him & Yuu has no idea that she's at risk of being held back b/c he doesn't know anything about her.

A dommy girlfriend can still be affectionate, adoring and all that.

Sure, but like it's not BDSM if the sub doesn't know they're being a sub.

I still don't see any real difference between what you said and "a dominant top girl and a submissive bottom boy".

The getting off on the dynamics?

 

[GennArc]

So, uhh, the new chapter release is postponed by another month, until February 23.

Stay tuned, as they say.

 

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When has he ever?

Chapter 26.5 is a very good example of him managing to get Yami to go to the movies with him, even though she was urging him to go straight to the love hotel. The chapters depicting her relationship with Yuu also seem to be the point where Yami behaves more like a good person and makes a greater effort to control her self-destructive impulses; hence, she feels that Yuu saved and healed her —only for everything to collapse again with her mother's suicide attempt.

He lied to his parents about who he's out with in a chapter where he was dead set on going out to the movies.

Chapter 26.5 and chapter 26.6 are two different dates and two different outings, and nothing in the text implies that they happened on the same day. And that's why I asked Genn what word Yuu used to refer to Yami. If "tomodachi" applies to both boys and girls, saying "I'm with a girl right now (who needs to go to the clinic)" wasn't a lie, or at least not entirely, considering the confusing formal status of her relationship with Yami—and I still think we'll see Yuu make a formal confession to Yami in the chapters from his POV, hence why she only calls him "boyfriend" in chapters 28 and 29, and yes, the significance of the love confession in chapter 29 is that it was in PUBLIC, as I already mentioned.

Aya points out the hickey she gave him while they were making out.

Exactly, that hickey is a proof of their sexual intimacy, and she knows perfectly well that neither she nor Yuu wants their parents to find out. Which is very different from "Mom, Dad, I have a girlfriend I go on dates with and we hold hands" —as you yourself said.

This is an example of Aya manipulating Yuu into doing what she wants (by pretending). That's kind of the polar opposite of commanding someone.

Ayami says she "pretended" to do it. I see it more as her MENACING to do it, or at least that's how Yuu saw it. In this case, it's not in your convenience to see Ayami as an "unreliable narrator". We know how Ayami thinks when she's in the mood to make threats.

She's older than him & Yuu has no idea that she's at risk of being held back b/c he doesn't know anything about her.

In chapters 23-25, she told Yuu about the risk of being held back, which is partly the excuse that Yami uses to drag him to the restaurant date. There, he learns she repeated a year, and this doesn't even include their numerous off-screen interactions, like the one Yami had with Yuu -by phone- in the Yuzuka chapter. This explains why Yuu doesn't seem surprised to see Yami in the same year as Hikari in chapter 40 (his surprise is more for Yami and Hikari being so best friends), and yet he still calls her "senpai" even when he's talking with Haru and Yuki —and Haru scolds him for it.
In other words, even after chapter 25 (and after passing his own public high school entrance exam), Yuu knows perfectly well that Yami has lost the legal and social right to be called senpai by him, and yet he continues to do so. This is clear proof that Yuu considers himself her sub.

Sure, but like it's not BDSM if the sub doesn't know they're being a sub.

I already provided evidence that Yuu thinking Yami "protects" him (both as a shield and a sword) is proof that he knows he is the sub and I don't intend to repeat myself, along with, of course, him self-identifying as the "shy kouhai" in his dynamic with Yami.

The getting off on the dynamics?

A BDSM-like dynamic doesn't have to be so meticulously planned from the very beginning; you start to sound like Christian Grey presenting the "submission contract". As I said, these are tacit agreements established between Yuu and Yami that allow them to naturally form their dominant girl-submissive boy dynamic under the roles of "flirtatious senpai" and "shy kouhai".

 

[peortega1]

So, uhh, the new chapter release is postponed by another month, until February 23.

Here definitely there are serious problems. Anyway, do you saw how in 4chan an anon filtered the chapter 44.5 with Yami repenting for Hikari while she is in the bathtube and later jerking off while she thinks in Yuu?
A friend and me translated the pages into Spanish and I can send them to you and @EijiRin if you are interested

 

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him managing to get Yami to go to the movies with him,

She suggested the movie and only started protesting once they were already there and she spent the entire time in his lap trying to cajole him into sex. And by that definition, Hikari exerted even more control by getting Aya to go to the school festival.

Chapter 26.5 and chapter 26.6 are two different dates and two different outings,

Same title (my happy date, wholesome/normal version), same chapter (26.{5,6}), and same outfits w/ Yuu in the long sleeved white shirt with a seam at the chest and Aya in the tank, miniskirt, and bomber jacket.

that hickey is a proof of their sexual intimacy

Or that they're making out heavily?

In this case, it's not in your convenience to see Ayami as an "unreliable narrator".

Whether she's actually manipulating him is besides the point, my argument is that Aya wouldn't feel she has to manipulate Yuu if Aya thought she was really in control.

There, he learns she repeated a year,

She hasn't repeated a grade yet - at this point she's still a first year and Yuu is in middle school.
Yuu never learns what grade she's in, he just knows she's older b/c of her uniform.

yet he continues to do so.

B/c that's how she's fixed in his head from the time he first met her, when she was his senpai. It's his habit just like how Ta-kun is Hikari's habit.

Yuu thinking Yami "protects" him

By that logic, Aya thinking that Hikari and Yuu saved her makes her a sub to both of them.

these are tacit agreements established between Yuu and Yami that allow them to naturally form their dominant girl-submissive boy dynamic

That tacit agreement being their personalities? Like I agree this is their characterization, I just think they derive as much frustration as joy from it.

 

[middle-the-nerd]

So, uhh, the new chapter release is postponed by another month, until February 23.

Stay tuned, as they say.

What

The

Fuck

What is chapter 46 gonna BE 46 fucking pages or some shit????? Like these chapters aren't that goddamn big why is it taking 3 months for this chapter??????

 

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FUCK OFF, bitch
I don't care about your fucking story. I don't give a fuck about your story at all
"Please treat Ayami-senpai well." Well, FUCK YOU MC-kun. Not getting your care is one of the kindest atonement she could make.
gee~ if only the girl was less of a bitch then I would had cared more about her

 

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yawwwnnnnn

 

[kevin282819]

Oh wow I remember this, we got too climactic part with hikari witnessing the kiss, then it went on a whole side story from yamis perspective for months to Blue Ball readers. Came back to see if we finally got back to the good part, and instead of fireworks we get a milquetoast delay again. IDK what we're even still building towards, a crap redemption arc or something? Like just let this story end already, everyone goes their own separate ways and moves on, learns from their mistakes and stop being shitty people. Well I probably won't be back though, we're past the only interesting point in the story already.