Iron Ladies - Ch. 304 - Peerless Mother
- Thread starter MangaDex
- Start date
Dex-chan lover
- Joined
- Dec 29, 2018
- Messages
- 3,842
Looks like stepmother is about to destroy their asses
Supporter
- Joined
- May 12, 2018
- Messages
- 2,973
Ugh, I’d forgotten just how much of a pretentious little shit that kid was.
Double-page supporter
- Joined
- Mar 21, 2019
- Messages
- 158
@SGR I just want to note that kid from Walnutia gives an examples of how DSA actually acted. While it was presented highly dramatic, it also raises valid points from the same real politic standpoint. You wanted trade? We opened trade. You don't like how much we trade? Who are you to tell us that? And NOW we are talking about immoral usage of military oppression to change the foreign country external trade affairs. Because they are weak. I don't see any real controversy in this chain of events, to be honest. Have that Walnutia kid not spoken, then I would agree with you completely.
Also I just want to confirm your stance on the "You are all swayed by the obvious fact that DSA is capital-e Evil." Do you mean that it's a piece of propaganda layer which you reject (so you treat this story from grey moral stance) or that it's a legitimate piece of the story which you accept? And suggest us to accept?
Because I got confused by your phrase "so much that I had to question myself hard before rejecting the propaganda layer." Do you agree with Daxia's methods and actions or not in the end?
Also I just want to confirm your stance on the "You are all swayed by the obvious fact that DSA is capital-e Evil." Do you mean that it's a piece of propaganda layer which you reject (so you treat this story from grey moral stance) or that it's a legitimate piece of the story which you accept? And suggest us to accept?
Because I got confused by your phrase "so much that I had to question myself hard before rejecting the propaganda layer." Do you agree with Daxia's methods and actions or not in the end?
Supporter
- Joined
- Aug 24, 2018
- Messages
- 2,071
Dex-chan lover
- Joined
- Mar 31, 2018
- Messages
- 1,267
@SGR
Well, to be fair, communism fundamentally is superior than imperialism or capitalism. However it is almost 100% guarenteed to fail because of personal pride, greed for wealth and power, and the shear impossiblity of having literally everyone adhere to the same rules and requlations. Someone will always try to take advantage of the system (usually the government).
The other 2 are not fool proof either. Capatalism specifically allows for an inevitable wealth gap where the few have most of the money and power. However, it is harder to use authority gained with that directly. Usually it is done through lobbying, campaigning, etc... while it also allows for personal growth. And gaining of personal wealth and power is not restricted if the system is managed properly (which not suprisingly, it isn't always, example: American healthcare with its unregulated/loosely regulated drug manufacturing and health insurance companies).
Well, to be fair, communism fundamentally is superior than imperialism or capitalism. However it is almost 100% guarenteed to fail because of personal pride, greed for wealth and power, and the shear impossiblity of having literally everyone adhere to the same rules and requlations. Someone will always try to take advantage of the system (usually the government).
The other 2 are not fool proof either. Capatalism specifically allows for an inevitable wealth gap where the few have most of the money and power. However, it is harder to use authority gained with that directly. Usually it is done through lobbying, campaigning, etc... while it also allows for personal growth. And gaining of personal wealth and power is not restricted if the system is managed properly (which not suprisingly, it isn't always, example: American healthcare with its unregulated/loosely regulated drug manufacturing and health insurance companies).
Dex-chan lover
- Joined
- Sep 10, 2018
- Messages
- 2,787
Is bird flu coming next, after Wuhan virus? Better stock up on chicken noodle soup. Oh, wait.
@0ptM1Qi0znn6FBtq
"Do you agree or not agree?" That is a loaded dichotomy. From the outset all actions done by Daxia were legitimized by the fact that the adversary is a strawman of a strawman of a concept. Unquestionably evil and inhumane to the core of each and every single individual. One-dimensional caricatures do not constitute a valid argument for anything and THIS is the ultimate discriminatory line:
- either you treat this as a piece of quality comeuppance fiction (dialed up to 11 and then some) - thus you reject the validity of any political discourse that is touched upon in the work
- or you treat it as a discourse against capitalism/imperialism - and then you reject the absolutely cartoonish representation of said systems/philosophies as well as the apologetic depiction of communist concepts
If you reject both - why would you even read this? If you accept both - you have been swayed by propaganda. There is valid criticism and valid praise towards the aforementioned concepts buried deep within here - but it's covered with so many layers of straw it hardly counts as anything. In the fiction's model of reality - I support Daxia wholeheartedly and want to see more human paintings by our glorious leader Mao. Where it crosses into political discourse - I recognize it as drawing untrustworthy conclusions from false premises. Does that answer your question?
@JavelinJoe
I'll put it concisely, as I ultimately agree with you: Communism is by far the BEST system invented, but it does not scale at all. Any commune of more than 30-50 people already has more problems than it can handle. Do note for example, that fundamentally the concept of an extended family unit is a commune and it worked quite allright for humanity for millenia. It is when it is extended beyond your immediate relatives where it breaks... immediately (for purely evolutionary reasons no less).
"Do you agree or not agree?" That is a loaded dichotomy. From the outset all actions done by Daxia were legitimized by the fact that the adversary is a strawman of a strawman of a concept. Unquestionably evil and inhumane to the core of each and every single individual. One-dimensional caricatures do not constitute a valid argument for anything and THIS is the ultimate discriminatory line:
- either you treat this as a piece of quality comeuppance fiction (dialed up to 11 and then some) - thus you reject the validity of any political discourse that is touched upon in the work
- or you treat it as a discourse against capitalism/imperialism - and then you reject the absolutely cartoonish representation of said systems/philosophies as well as the apologetic depiction of communist concepts
If you reject both - why would you even read this? If you accept both - you have been swayed by propaganda. There is valid criticism and valid praise towards the aforementioned concepts buried deep within here - but it's covered with so many layers of straw it hardly counts as anything. In the fiction's model of reality - I support Daxia wholeheartedly and want to see more human paintings by our glorious leader Mao. Where it crosses into political discourse - I recognize it as drawing untrustworthy conclusions from false premises. Does that answer your question?
@JavelinJoe
I'll put it concisely, as I ultimately agree with you: Communism is by far the BEST system invented, but it does not scale at all. Any commune of more than 30-50 people already has more problems than it can handle. Do note for example, that fundamentally the concept of an extended family unit is a commune and it worked quite allright for humanity for millenia. It is when it is extended beyond your immediate relatives where it breaks... immediately (for purely evolutionary reasons no less).
Dex-chan lover
- Joined
- Jan 27, 2018
- Messages
- 1,171
I don't see it as communism vs capitalism and imperialism. The antagonists aren't capitalists (their power and legitimacy doesn't come from money, it's the other way around), and the protagonists shill for an entity that is deeply imperialist. Whatever it is about, I doubt Western worldviews really enter the picture.
@SGR
The idiot doesn't stand for Realpolitik. His friend does, when he says they got massacred because they were weak. That's realpolitik. The dumb twat argues from some non existent moral superiority. He's just a run of the mill hypocrite.
@SGR
The idiot doesn't stand for Realpolitik. His friend does, when he says they got massacred because they were weak. That's realpolitik. The dumb twat argues from some non existent moral superiority. He's just a run of the mill hypocrite.
Double-page supporter
- Joined
- Mar 21, 2019
- Messages
- 158
