Isekai Kenkokuki - Ch. 61.2

[Doomer]

i don't get these isekai stories where the MC becomes a king and he wants to push for democracy, do you not know what happens to kings when democracy becomes a thing? if they're lucky they will be deposed, if unlucky theirs and their family's heads will be put on pikes.
you want to centralize power not weaken it further, you should build an academy in the capital and mandate that all noble children have to attend it, also make it so all noble families have to have residences in the capital and have to spend X amount of time out of the year there.

 

[Tds-PdV]

Based on the position of Yuria’s hand at the final panel, those three had some fun after that.

 

[Kaarme]

Of all de political systems he could have chosen, he picked the most disfunctional and corrupt...

But democracy is da best, amirite?

It's not the best, it's just the least bad. Nobody has come up with a better one yet that also works in practice. It's the least corrupt as well. It has the potential to be the most equal, but equality depends on other things as well, and not all equality is good. A piss-poor, ravaged dictatorship could have more equality than a democracy with extreme income disparity, but most still wouldn't like to live in a stick wall shack in the dictatorship, instead of seeking their opportunity in the democracy.

 

[GrimGaming]

Of all de political systems he could have chosen, he picked the most disfunctional and corrupt...

But democracy is da best, amirite?

Also, it's pretty fucking hilarious how he talks about unifying the continent like a conquering emperor and forcing a democratic system on the people in the same conversation, and sees nothing strange about it.

Also, Tetra's tits got nerfed.

It's because her ass is too great

 

[dereth]

It's not the best, it's just the least bad. Nobody has come up with a better one yet that also works in practice. It's the least corrupt as well. It has the potential to be the most equal, but equality depends on other things as well, and not all equality is good. A piss-poor, ravaged dictatorship could have more equality than a democracy with extreme income disparity, but most still wouldn't like to live in a stick wall shack in the dictatorship, instead of seeking their opportunity in the democracy.

The least bad? There isn't a single example in history of a democracy that didn't devolve into a shadow oligarchy, meant to fool the common citizen into believing they are free while splitting them into factions that waste their time fighting against each other. Its track record is abysmal.

 

[GGCannon]

Of all de political systems he could have chosen, he picked the most disfunctional and corrupt...

But democracy is da best, amirite?

Also, it's pretty fucking hilarious how he talks about unifying the continent like a conquering emperor and forcing a democratic system on the people in the same conversation, and sees nothing strange about it.

Also, Tetra's tits got nerfed.

You are confusing democracy with republic.

Greek democracy is nothing like modern republic systems. Almost the opposite to be honest.
This video is subtitled in english and explains well the difference:

 

[dereth]

It's because her ass is too great

Even so...

 

[gusto]

To use a comparison fitting this chapter's setting, democracy is like Tetra's boobs.

 

[Kaarme]

The least bad? There isn't a single example in history of a democracy that didn't devolve into a shadow oligarchy, meant to fool the common citizen into believing they are free while splitting them into factions that waste their time fighting against each other. Its track record is abysmal.

So what? Are you saying that shadow oligarchy is better? I say, in your example, democracy was better but degenerated into something worse because the people didn't maintain it. You can criticise democracy all you want, but you can't name anything better that actually exists outside of fiction. A number of democracies have lasted for generations without utterly collapsing, yet.

 

[eng1]

Talking about democracy and all that is of little practical value. Almus's lifespan isn't enough to see it done. The Greek democracy only worked in the city-states, more or less, and it has always been a matter of debate just how much of a democracy it was, instead of a, for example, extremely wide oligarchy/plutocracy. Nevertheless, Almus's countrymen now have no culture of anything like that.

I always thought he would go for absolute monarchy, without feudalism, that is, for his idea of centralisation of power, and... Well, that's pretty much it since he would die of old age before he could start to turn it into democracy. Random villages might already have councils of elders, which he could twist into a more democratic direction. However, there's certainly no magic way to turn the whole Rosice kingdom into a functional democracy in mere years and then have the neighbouring countries' commoners revolt, throw away their rulers, and join Rosice.

If he manages to pull off absolute monarchy, he just needs to have regions overseen by governors, whose positions are not inheritable. Such a governor might be a noble, but the noble's son would need to work damn hard if he wanted to get his dad's position eventually.

If you remember, that old man advisor to diebel was 80 years old. Once he lost faith, he quickly aged and died. Aka, due to blessing of the king the MC may even live a few hundred years as long as people believe in him

He has no problem pushing democracy because it actually benefits him. Its not like he is giving freedom of speech or giving up control, he is just going to have nobles fight the commoners for political power. As for himself, being child of the griffon gives him a religious position like a demigod, add ozens of years of him spreading modern knowledge and full control of the education system. High popularity and no one would even dare think of challenging his authority

 

[Ironclad]

I really don't understand how coinage and democracy are connected.

 

[lordb1]

Politics this and politics this, but no one is addressing the real topic here. They totally had a hot spring 3-some after the last page.

 

[sdarkpaladin]

Thank god the MC didn't try to force a cultural revolution. Change is like sex, if you have to force it, the other party probably doesn't want it, and that's bad.

 

[Iskarioth]

I dont know if this manga ever had nipples or it was censored but can't they at least add a leaf or a convenient ray of light instead of those lame white blotches that look like they were added in with windows paint 98 ? IMO it really kills the immersion ( for the lack of a better word)

 

[AnotherDuck]

What level of acidity do hot springs have? Skin is acidic, at around pH 5.5.

That's a bit on the floaty side.

Unification does not erase all conflicts. It depends a bit on how it's done, though. Doing it by force is bound to leave conflicts boiling below the surface.

Coinage does not lead to democracy.

it has always been a matter of debate just how much of a democracy it was, instead of a, for example, extremely wide oligarchy/plutocracy.

Yeah, it was severely limited compared to what we're used to calling democracy, but it was at least the beginnings of it.

Of all de political systems he could have chosen, he picked the most disfunctional and corrupt...

The worst system you can think of, except for the rest of them.

 

[NekoManiac]

Seems like this whole democracy good bad going on here is because no one is making it clear whether they are talking about pure democracy and democratic values. Pure democracy is bad, it means the majority rules over the minority, aka racism, segregation and all that. Please makes clear what you are talking about.

 

[AnotherDuck]

i don't get these isekai stories where the MC becomes a king and he wants to push for democracy, do you not know what happens to kings when democracy becomes a thing?

Well, Sweden turned into a democracy while still having a king. We still have a king, although he has no real power, but works with a lot of other representative tasks. Also used to have an elected king, though that was by council, not democracy.

 

[feha]

"The smell of rotten egg. What do you think?"
" Yup, this is amazing"

wat? Most ppl I heard of hate sulfur smells

 

[Manchura]

In Greek democracy only land holders had the right to vote, the city states were at constant war at each other and fell like dominoes to a warmongering Rome.

you mean reclaimers of their legacy as rulers of the Mediterranean

 

[Manchura]

I really don't understand how coinage and democracy are connected.

nobility is tied to inheritance of the power of land, coinage separates the economic and land power and creates an entire other dynamic that can counter land power by simply refusing to operate on good land till coin is given, it's why cities often had democratic principles and the city-states of Greece are the prime example of democracy and how it's flaws are oligarchs who care more about the money than the power of the land they may loose

it's part of the reason the military republic oriented rome was able to smack them down like dominoes since they were willing to not support each other for monetary sums and were quick to fall in line when rome restructured the region into economic leagues

Well, Sweden turned into a democracy while still having a king. We still have a king, although he has no real power, but works with a lot of other representative tasks. Also used to have an elected king, though that was by council, not democracy.

that is a constitutional republic, not a democratic kingdom... you'd be democratically electing a king who has absolute power to serve the rest of his life out of various family candidates if that were the case