Isekai Kenkokuki - Vol. 5 Ch. 37.1

[Med1um]

@feha
he cares, he still care. He found weak creatures that unable to survive by themselves, and shielded them, because it isn't hard for him.

"Battle for the female" isn't senseless bloodshed. As far as we know, he might even sacrifice all those children that he shielded, if it have a part in obtaining "desirable female" right from the start. He was just free and bored, don't overanalyze it, like he is some kind of saint that travel to collect all the discarded children.

Even in our world, there are cases when lions and leopards pick up a child of their prey. But that doesn't mean that it will not kill it when it gets hungry.

 

[Operatix]

Go and sma- *cough* marry her hard!

 

[AlmondMagnum]

@Med1um
And yet he took in and cared for human orphans. And recruited a caretaker for them. And, IIRC, expressed disgust at the fact they were abandoned in the first place.

The gryphon's advice is all the more aggravating that there are practical and moral reasons to marry Yuria. Namely, that Dibel is a fucking psychopath and that there can't really be peace with him in the long run.

 

[MangaRockRefugee]

Jingoistic Gryphon is jingoistic.

That aside, Almus should've seen the civil war coming from miles away, the only matter is how much blood will be shed.

 

[Dosky]

While the talk from the bird is pretty insane, it applies well in this context. A civil war would start either way, might as well take what you like before the other side does.

 

[DizzyDazzle]

@Red225
But the situation as far as we know it isn't that bad that war is needed, is it? Is Dibel even that bad? Yeah, he's an asshole and doesn't seem to actually love Yuria, but is it really worth not only killing him, but getting armies and countries, as well as innocent people involved as well? Why do you need to spill blood with this guy again? Is it guaranteed that he's going to start a war just because he doesn't like Almus? I don't get it. It just feels forced to get the MC to be the king of everyone.

Let's say the antagonist has to die, aren't there other options? Why not formally challenge him to a duel for both countries or assassinate him? Challenge his right to the thrown. Literally anything else. This idiot MC and his idiot bird brain protector, literally want to start a war and inevitably get a lot of people killed, because he's jealous. It's so silly and shallow.

 

[yarielist]

...
Kill all men and rape all girl ...
Change MC name to Rance ...

 

[DizzyDazzle]

@Med1um
Well that's really my problem with Almus, less so than with the griffon. Almus is a whole ass adult that is trapped in the body of a boy. He should know better. Instead, he's thinking to himself, "Yeah... Yeah you are right, Uncle Griffon! I will put everyone I love, as well as my subjects in mortal danger for my personal feelings! I know we just started to get this country back on its feet with the economy I'm cobbling together, but screw that. Time to throw it all away to get my second wife. Genius!" Asking a magical bird for advice on civil policy, majesty, and diplomacy is stupid; but actually taking its idiotic advice is worse.

The problem is, Almus is about to start a war for a reason that doesn't have any justification if you're a noble. Why would you swear fealty to Almus after he just started a civil war to get his hanky panky on with someone else's fiancée. Like I responded to someone else, even conflict is inevitable, you don't have to literally start a war over it. Challenge him to a duel or something. Discredit him in court. Assassinate him in his sleep. Just do something else.

 

[feha]

@Med1um I never said he was a saint, just that it clashes with his prior statements when he suddenly tells the kid that doing whatever fancy or whim you have is ok, even if it brings death and destruction to many (including your own herd), and will cause even more orphans.

And regarding lions, that is a quite unrelated point which the griffin brought up. Lions killing the prior partners kids is not in any way related to humans. Though griffins are often said to be part lion, so one can assume he could do so, but it has little to do with reasoning why war is acceptable for a mate. Even if only used as an example of how brutal nature can be, it is still obvious that it brings nothing to the discussion he had with the kid, and that neither of them are ok with letting nature be brutal where they can see, much less wanting to contribute to it.

You raise a good point however that "fighting for the female" might make the bloodshed not seem senseless to the flying dood, although I doubt he would think its fine to bring the fight onto all bystanders. Feels like if he had that viewpoint, then he would sooner consider it a fight between the two kids, and that the kid should either challenge him to a duel, or outright assassinate him.

 

[Med1um]

@AlmondMagnum
yes, my point was mostly about how all of those "good deeds" in his spare time, might not be worth a damn, if, for example, they would prevent Gryphon getting the female he want.

People boo'ing about how Gryphon's character suddenly changed... and i'm saying that we didn't had any information on how ruthless Gryphon can be, if it would actually touch his ambition or intention.
Yes, he is a guy of "i find those mongrels, they can't survive without me, i protected them, because they are pitiful", but that doesn't automatically mean that he can't sacrifice lives for his ambitions.

 

[Psychronia]

Isekai moral license philosophy.

 

[zzetal]

@DizzyDazzle
He'd need to kill or capture the entire Dibel family basically simultaneously, in addition to their lieutenants, to avoid a civil war was inevitable from the moment the previous war began.

 

[Med1um]

@feha
when i was talking about lions, i didn't meant gryphon's example. I meant those stories that you can find on youtube, how predators sometimes "adopt" the little ones that supposed to be their "prey" (i saw some kind of ox, and other with baby monkey). It's mostly "Motherly instinct", but nevertheless, even those bloody killers can have a thoughts about "helping a pitiful ones", so there is no reason for Gryphon to not have such a trait, even if he is mentally ready to slaughter anyone if there is some kind of merit of such an action.

By the way, I'm sure that he is ruthless enough to kill Almus at the start of the manga, if he wouldn't listen to his warning. And for what? Just because he stepped in his territory. I think that his answer here is totally on point with his previous disposition.

 

[DizzyDazzle]

@zzetal
No he doesn't. Almus is only doing this, so he can marry Yuria. If Yuria's fiancé is dead, she doesn't go to the next in line in the Dibel family. The entire Dibel family isn't shown as jerks, just Rigar. The beef is personal, so have him secretly assassinated and no one would be the wiser. Almus gets Yuria and some other Dibel family member can be king or however it works in this world. Now if literally everyone in the Dibel family feels the same about Almus, then sure, war is inevitable. Though that doesn't seem to be the case, because earlier at the party, all of the Dibel women were throwing themselves at him.

 

[karanga]

get that royal pussy mang, you deserve it !

 

[Arcara]

Finally griffon says the thing we all want to say to mc and its ilk in other series

MAN UP GRAB THAT PUSSY NOW

 

[Qelix]

It's simple. That Dieble guy is forcing MC's hand. If he decides to begin a war, because he couldn't become king in another way, but MC could, it is his own decision. You can't just let people do as they please, just because you fear how they might react, if they do harm to you or your beloved. If Diebel would have tried to ascent the throne in a fair/honest way and MC would have come around and snatched it away, he can sleep well, because he is the hero of his story. he is it anyway, as MC did came along and is about to snatch away a position, he worked for. On the other hand his "working for it" means mistreating other people and forcing his ways on them. So MC can also rest assured, he is on the side of justice from his POV. Really. Simple.

 

[azerez]

glad to see griffon-sama again

 

[ak0ztik]

I like griffon-sama's wording. 'in short you want to mate with yuria' 🤣

 

[NP-3228]

Forget all that shiet, griffin's have cat paws! I always imagine them with eagle legs up front but even then they would have cat paws in their hind legs!