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inb4 obese fat people getting offended over their own inability to accept that obesity is unnatural and disgusting.
*Exceptions for glandular disorders made*
*Exceptions for glandular disorders made*
Isekai Shoukan-sareta ga Kyousei Soukan-sareta Ore ha shikatanaku yaseru koto ni shita. - Vol. 1 Ch. 1
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Obesity is not unnatural and disgusting is subjective. It is most certainly unhealthy to be at such a weight but its not inherently problematic beyond personal health risks. If people want to be obese then its their choice and there is no need to judge them as disgusting.
You can find them disgusting but you can also find supermodels disgusting. Beauty is afterall in the eye of the beholder.
You can find them disgusting but you can also find supermodels disgusting. Beauty is afterall in the eye of the beholder.
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@TheBroManChu Im not fat at all. I'm actually a bit underweight according to my doctor, so I've been trying to bulk up a smidge for the past month.
The reason why I get really uncomfortable with this story is that neither the MC nor the princess is ugly at all. Remember the start of Mushoku Tensei where the dude was absolutely disgusting on every level? That made me feel for the guy.
I do not feel a flicker of emotion for a guy that looks like the Pillsbury dough boy. Also, the girl pretty much looks like a slightly chibi-fied version of Ururaka or something. Nothing makes me feel sorry for them or hope that they'll be able to work past their problems.
It's so blatant that they still look cartoonishly cute so as to sell more books. And while the entire isekai genre is plagued by this right now, sacrificing your story for marketability is something to be looked down upon if you ask me.
The reason why I get really uncomfortable with this story is that neither the MC nor the princess is ugly at all. Remember the start of Mushoku Tensei where the dude was absolutely disgusting on every level? That made me feel for the guy.
I do not feel a flicker of emotion for a guy that looks like the Pillsbury dough boy. Also, the girl pretty much looks like a slightly chibi-fied version of Ururaka or something. Nothing makes me feel sorry for them or hope that they'll be able to work past their problems.
It's so blatant that they still look cartoonishly cute so as to sell more books. And while the entire isekai genre is plagued by this right now, sacrificing your story for marketability is something to be looked down upon if you ask me.
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@Xx_Itz_Jamez_xX "Now all the fatasses will think they can self insert in a Isekai harem manga lmao"
I self inserted into yer mum and didn't have a problem with her fatass
I self inserted into yer mum and didn't have a problem with her fatass
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You shouldn't talk like that to your mom little kid and it's "your" not "yer"
The block button is there for you to use if you don't like joke's online lmfao
You shouldn't talk like that to your mom little kid and it's "your" not "yer"
The block button is there for you to use if you don't like joke's online lmfao
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so this is a 30 year old obese midget ok let's hope this'll be different
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@Merilirem I have no idea who told your info, but, obesity is unnatural. So is being fat. We are not meant to exceed a certain weight limit relative to our height and diet. Obesity is in of itself a health hazard. that is not fat shaming, that is not saying it's wrong to be a little overweight. Obesity will literally kill you and limit what you as a person are capable of doing. People have lost limbs from being obese and overweight, Many can no longer have sex or give birth safely. Ya, obesity is not natural at all.
By your logic of subjectivity, saying this isn't disgusting because this can be as well, is contradicting yourself. If someone finds overweight people to be unattractive, or "disgusting" is that not their subjective view? I'm not even going to get in on the genetics of why certain body types are more appealing than others for certain reasons.
Anyway, I will agree they don't need to treat him like shit just because he is fat. It's honestly retarded. But to say that they choose to be obese and it's natural is pushing things. If an obese person could take a pill that wiped away their fat and made them the perfect weight they should be, well, I wanna say 100% of them will, but I'll leave some wiggle room and say 99.99% of people will.
No one actually likes being 4x what their body weight should be, they just like the lifestyle and I don't actually blame them. It sucks needing to limit what you can eat and constantly exorcize. Without giving excuses, it's just not a fun thing for most people to do.
By your logic of subjectivity, saying this isn't disgusting because this can be as well, is contradicting yourself. If someone finds overweight people to be unattractive, or "disgusting" is that not their subjective view? I'm not even going to get in on the genetics of why certain body types are more appealing than others for certain reasons.
Anyway, I will agree they don't need to treat him like shit just because he is fat. It's honestly retarded. But to say that they choose to be obese and it's natural is pushing things. If an obese person could take a pill that wiped away their fat and made them the perfect weight they should be, well, I wanna say 100% of them will, but I'll leave some wiggle room and say 99.99% of people will.
No one actually likes being 4x what their body weight should be, they just like the lifestyle and I don't actually blame them. It sucks needing to limit what you can eat and constantly exorcize. Without giving excuses, it's just not a fun thing for most people to do.
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Wow there is so much confusion going on here and it all seems to be in the language. I don't even know how to really respond to this because of how not on the same page we are.
Going to have to disagree on what is natural and unnatural. Perhaps we need to talk about "nature" to begin with. I never said it wasn't unhealthy for instance, that was not a requirement of being natural, in my book atleast.
Onto the subjectivity thing. We are again missing each other on this. That is not what i said. I never said they were not disgusting i simply pointed out that disgust is subjective. Your genetics argument once again is beside the point since it says nothing about what i said unless your implying some requirements for things again.
Onto the choice thing. I said IF THEY CHOOSE. IF. Understand where you went wrong there? Hypothetical pills and magic solutions also have no bearing on the situation. You could say almost anything and then add a magic pill to make it undesirable by comparison.
Seriously, why did you separate the lifestyle and every other concern from the weight? They obviously don't choose the weight because its fun being really fat. They choose because its a trade off. Ive bounced around enough to know exactly what the difference is. It also depends on the level of obesity since lower end obesity isn't that bad compared to super obesity.
Also no one "told me" my info. I came to the conclusion myself and you have failed to even address what i actually said. Responding to this was mentally exhausting.
Wow there is so much confusion going on here and it all seems to be in the language. I don't even know how to really respond to this because of how not on the same page we are.
Going to have to disagree on what is natural and unnatural. Perhaps we need to talk about "nature" to begin with. I never said it wasn't unhealthy for instance, that was not a requirement of being natural, in my book atleast.
Onto the subjectivity thing. We are again missing each other on this. That is not what i said. I never said they were not disgusting i simply pointed out that disgust is subjective. Your genetics argument once again is beside the point since it says nothing about what i said unless your implying some requirements for things again.
Onto the choice thing. I said IF THEY CHOOSE. IF. Understand where you went wrong there? Hypothetical pills and magic solutions also have no bearing on the situation. You could say almost anything and then add a magic pill to make it undesirable by comparison.
Seriously, why did you separate the lifestyle and every other concern from the weight? They obviously don't choose the weight because its fun being really fat. They choose because its a trade off. Ive bounced around enough to know exactly what the difference is. It also depends on the level of obesity since lower end obesity isn't that bad compared to super obesity.
Also no one "told me" my info. I came to the conclusion myself and you have failed to even address what i actually said. Responding to this was mentally exhausting.
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@merilirem "Obesity is not unnatural" literally your first few words. Please, point out anywhere in the history of humanity where it is remotely "natural" (and not in your opinionated view of natural) that it is considered natural to be obese (very overweight).
Clearly, you missed my point on subjectivity as well. Since I just re-worded what YOU said. Which is, "You can find them disgusting." I said you contradict yourself because it sounds like you were saying something like this, "but it's not fair to do so because it's their choice to be obese...While at the same time beauty is in the eyes of the beholder." So, what is it? No one can find something disgusting because someone else finds it attractive? Or is it both? In that case why even say it in the first place. I also only used genetics as an example for a reason to find certain body types instinctively attractive. A tangent, sure.
So what if they didn't choose to be fat for fun? They still chose to be fat ( unhealthy fat, not just chubby) and we're supposed to just sit back and cheer them on because they chose that lifestyle and not have a negative opinion about it? Not saying we should shun or talk shit about them. But why should we need to sugarcoat what we think about it? The pill was an obvious hypothetical scenario where it shows that they themselves don't find it attractive and would want to be healthy and fit if they had the chance too. Most obesity is caused by laziness and an unwillingness to exorcize and cut back on the food they like. Again, why should we pander to that?
So, if I somehow failed to even address what you said, please, enlighten me. Because all it sounded like to me was "leave em alone, don't judge them, as disgusting for being obese (again, not just fat) if it's their choice and lifestyle. We should try to ignore their personal health risks as long as it's not too bad either." Again, not saying we should just jump on the hate train. But I'm also not going to be apart of the love you for what you are train either. So... Ya, I guess agree to disagree. Responding to this was extremely easy and boring. Have a good day mentally exhausted person.
Clearly, you missed my point on subjectivity as well. Since I just re-worded what YOU said. Which is, "You can find them disgusting." I said you contradict yourself because it sounds like you were saying something like this, "but it's not fair to do so because it's their choice to be obese...While at the same time beauty is in the eyes of the beholder." So, what is it? No one can find something disgusting because someone else finds it attractive? Or is it both? In that case why even say it in the first place. I also only used genetics as an example for a reason to find certain body types instinctively attractive. A tangent, sure.
So what if they didn't choose to be fat for fun? They still chose to be fat ( unhealthy fat, not just chubby) and we're supposed to just sit back and cheer them on because they chose that lifestyle and not have a negative opinion about it? Not saying we should shun or talk shit about them. But why should we need to sugarcoat what we think about it? The pill was an obvious hypothetical scenario where it shows that they themselves don't find it attractive and would want to be healthy and fit if they had the chance too. Most obesity is caused by laziness and an unwillingness to exorcize and cut back on the food they like. Again, why should we pander to that?
So, if I somehow failed to even address what you said, please, enlighten me. Because all it sounded like to me was "leave em alone, don't judge them, as disgusting for being obese (again, not just fat) if it's their choice and lifestyle. We should try to ignore their personal health risks as long as it's not too bad either." Again, not saying we should just jump on the hate train. But I'm also not going to be apart of the love you for what you are train either. So... Ya, I guess agree to disagree. Responding to this was extremely easy and boring. Have a good day mentally exhausted person.
@Akemua No offense but im not sure i have the energy to spare dealing with someone so clearly biased that they would interpret my works in such a way. You went so far as to move them around and for some reason you think you retained the original meaning. You re-worded what i said into something else.
You go on about cheering them on and all this other nonsense you have added to the conversation.
Of course it was easy to respond when you didn't actually respond to what i said. The reason its so hard to respond to you is because im trying to understand your response and reply accordingly. You are arguing with a strawman of some kind in your head, not me. Your responses are not to me and therefore worthless to me. The most i could do is try and get you out of this haze you seem to be in but i have no interest in fixing your particular problems right now.
So i wish you well but i am done here.
You go on about cheering them on and all this other nonsense you have added to the conversation.
Of course it was easy to respond when you didn't actually respond to what i said. The reason its so hard to respond to you is because im trying to understand your response and reply accordingly. You are arguing with a strawman of some kind in your head, not me. Your responses are not to me and therefore worthless to me. The most i could do is try and get you out of this haze you seem to be in but i have no interest in fixing your particular problems right now.
So i wish you well but i am done here.
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@Merilirem "So, if I somehow failed to even address what you said, please, enlighten me". Bye-bye delusional lady.
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@Merilirem Well since you're apologizing to the public, I'll chime in. Your apology is accepted since you were the cause of the mess. From reading both sides through, the person agreed with you on your main point that obese people should not be discriminated against, but he disagreed on only one thing and with a passion it seems. That obesity is not natural and should not be a socially accepted way of living because of potentially dangerous health reasons.
It looks like you missed the other persons point entirely because of your nitpicking and the condescending tone was uncalled for. I could go on, but just know this could have been handled with "Going to have to disagree on what is natural and unnatural." and ending it there since that was the point of argument. Cheers!
It looks like you missed the other persons point entirely because of your nitpicking and the condescending tone was uncalled for. I could go on, but just know this could have been handled with "Going to have to disagree on what is natural and unnatural." and ending it there since that was the point of argument. Cheers!
@Sh4dey I didn't miss his point, i disagreed. That should be quite clear. It wasn't nitpicking, it was a disagreement about a certain point i personally hold as valuable/important.
If you heard a condescending tone you were imposing it on my words yourself because i was not using one.
Ending it at that point would not have solved anything though. I was discussing a topic and I think you oversimplified the whole thing a bit too much.
Just because you think i should have said that does not mean i think i should act in that manner. My goal was not defusing the conversation, it was finishing it. One of us would come out with a different opinion or both would leave unresolved. Did not matter what happened but brushing it under the rug was never and is never going to be my intent.
If you heard a condescending tone you were imposing it on my words yourself because i was not using one.
Ending it at that point would not have solved anything though. I was discussing a topic and I think you oversimplified the whole thing a bit too much.
Just because you think i should have said that does not mean i think i should act in that manner. My goal was not defusing the conversation, it was finishing it. One of us would come out with a different opinion or both would leave unresolved. Did not matter what happened but brushing it under the rug was never and is never going to be my intent.
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How to stop being fat fuck
Stop eating lmao
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