Isekai Tensei Slum Machi kara no Nariagari - Ch. 10

[MangaDex]

 

[HaikenEdge]

Why does the MC feel smart and dumb at the same time?

 

[BanditHadron]

Why does the MC feel smart and dumb at the same time?

They've mixed his previous life with an actual child, lol.

 

[EchoGirl]

Thanks

Why does the MC feel smart and dumb at the same time?

lmao even with 'otherworldly' knowledge other than surviving i'd wanna enjoy the aspects of being a kid, but the story's gonna just help them into rising up lol

 

[WhimsiCat]

She may be a derpelf, but Miinya knows to keep possession of her husband chef

 

[HaikenEdge]

They've mixed his previous life with an actual child, lol.

I just figured he probably should know better than trying to bargain with the noble; he really has no leverage at all.

 

[didien]

I just figured he probably should know better than trying to bargain with the noble; he really has no leverage at all.

He does have some leverage. The jam and orchard workers plus the popular tea gives him some wiggle room with the local lord.

 

[kaminomikan]

it was a good lord? or will mc lose his head?

 

[rkkn]

I just figured he probably should know better than trying to bargain with the noble; he really has no leverage at all.

he's got a lot of leverage if the lord is sane

he's proposing to essentially materialize a source of revenue and a large workforce out of nothing. To have turn land that's literally doing nothing into something useful. and improve the slums at the same time. ie get rid of the eyesore. There's no downside.

course, he could still say "ah thank you for the idea. I'll go send some of my workers to get right on that." and then turn them away empty handed. But that doesn't make any more sense than just using the workforce that's already lined up and has experience. So it'd only happen if he just likes being a jerk.

 

[x_renon_x]

Yo, ch. 16 raw feels like the end. Is it axed?

 

[HaikenEdge]

He does have some leverage. The jam and orchard workers plus the popular tea gives him some wiggle room with the local lord.

he's got a lot of leverage if the lord is sane

he's proposing to essentially materialize a source of revenue and a large workforce out of nothing. To have turn land that's literally doing nothing into something useful. and improve the slums at the same time. ie get rid of the eyesore. There's no downside.

course, he could still say "ah thank you for the idea. I'll go send some of my workers to get right on that." and then turn them away empty handed. But that doesn't make any more sense than just using the workforce that's already lined up and has experience. So it'd only happen if he just likes being a jerk.

I say MC doesn't have leverage because he and the others are all still subjects of the lord, and the land they've been harvesting the apples and the tea ingredients from in fact belong to the lord, and without explicit permission to do what they were doing, they could very easily be charged with theft; if the lord feels like it, they can go, "Good idea. Now I order you to do this, as a service to me; this is now part of the taxes you are to pay me. Be grateful you're not being punished for stealing my apples and my herbs that were growing on my land."

It might feel like a dick thing to do from our modern perspective, but in medieval period feudal systems, this would be a much more likely result.

 

[Gatenka]

I say MC doesn't have leverage because he and the others are all still subjects of the lord, and the land they've been harvesting the apples and the tea ingredients from in fact belong to the lord, and without explicit permission to do what they were doing, they could very easily be charged with theft; if the lord feels like it, they can go, "Good idea. Now I order you to do this, as a service to me; this is now part of the taxes you are to pay me. Be grateful you're not being punished for stealing my apples and my herbs that were growing on my land."

It might feel like a dick thing to do from our modern perspective, but in medieval period feudal systems, this would be a much more likely result.

And that was how some peasant rebellions occurred, also in the medieval period. It can go both ways, depending on how generous or scummy the lord is.

That being said, the manga author is probably going to have the lord's daughter play a role in negotiations, since she has had the first-hand experience with the slums and our industrious trio.

 

[vorador]

I don't think there will be a problem with the lord.

Either the refugees leave or they stay as a subject.

If they leave for their own territory, they will leave a business already working.
If they stays, they will pay the taxes for a new business that didn't exist before.

Sure the lord could be a dick, but if he was the type he would had refused the refugees in the first place.

 

[HelioCesar]

If he says no its time for a coup

 

[welcome2atlantis]

Hmmmmmm maybe leverage the possibility that the slum dwellers and slum itself will be able to relocate if the reconstruction work goes well? Otherwise I don't see why the lord will want to lend them the land.

 

[Senpaithatfriendzonesyou]

Yo, ch. 16 raw feels like the end. Is it axed?

I hope not, it has potential, but i can see them axing it for not following the tropes, almost as if it's some sort of law over there for: japnese food, hot springs, a band segment, and a school arc in all manga and anime.

 

[inkindoug]

Yo, ch. 16 raw feels like the end. Is it axed?

Everywhere I'm checking still says it's ongoing. There would usually have been parts released before now but that might be because of the holidays. I guess time will tell though. Hopefully not.

 

[HaikenEdge]

And that was how some peasant rebellions occurred, also in the medieval period. It can go both ways, depending on how generous or scummy the lord is.

That being said, the manga author is probably going to have the lord's daughter play a role in negotiations, since she has had the first-hand experience with the slums and our industrious trio.

The thing is, peasant rebellions were relatively uncommon during the medieval period, despite what romantic period literature like Robin Hood and Ivanhoe might have readers believe. They were generally in response to war and instability—which this isn't—or economic hardship like famine, inflation or oppressive taxes, which this also isn't. In fact, peasant rebellions were uncommon because of a lack of organization, cultural acceptance of feudalism, and a fear of repression; the MC being from modern times might solve the first two in some ways, but he really has no real way of solving the third unless he's planning to convince the peasants—peasants who typically believe their position to be divinely ordained or unchangeable and don't really want to die—to throw themselves onto the swords of the soldiers at the lord's command.

I'm not saying the lord is going to be a dick—the tone of the story so far suggests that you're right and the daughter will probably have a role in the negotiations and the lord will be more like her—but I really felt like this is a moment where the writer's lack of knowledge regarding medieval period socio-political conditions kind of hurts the story; a peasant from the slums, particularly a child like the MC, would never get an audience with the lord, and even if he did, he has no real leverage to negotiate with, which is what I'm pointing out here.

 

[fform]

can't stop the hero from doing hero things

 

[fform]

The thing is, peasant rebellions were relatively uncommon during the medieval period, despite what romantic period literature like Robin Hood and Ivanhoe might have readers believe. They were generally in response to war and instability—which this isn't—or economic hardship like famine, inflation or oppressive taxes, which this also isn't. In fact, peasant rebellions were uncommon because of a lack of organization, cultural acceptance of feudalism, and a fear of repression; the MC being from modern times might solve the first two in some ways, but he really has no real way of solving the third unless he's planning to convince the peasants—peasants who typically believe their position to be divinely ordained or unchangeable and don't really want to die—to throw themselves onto the swords of the soldiers at the lord's command.

I'm not saying the lord is going to be a dick—the tone of the story so far suggests that you're right and the daughter will probably have a role in the negotiations and the lord will be more like her—but I really felt like this is a moment where the writer's lack of knowledge regarding medieval period socio-political conditions kind of hurts the story; a peasant from the slums, particularly a child like the MC, would never get an audience with the lord, and even if he did, he has no real leverage to negotiate with, which is what I'm pointing out here.

It all seems very capitalist, where there's an expectation that the lord wants to profit off of the innovations of the MC and the slums. I don't think any lord in this state of society would care much at all other than to exploit the children for their ability to make something he enjoys.