Jesus (YASUHIKO Yoshikazu)

[MDGeist]

@Thrembs
Society was mostly homophobic back then, with the exception of Ancient Greece. Even Romans looked down upon the Greeks for liking pederasty. You can't reproduce children to ensure the survival of your family with male-to-male intercourse, so it was at best getting the 'don't ask, don't tell' treatment, and at worst became the scapegoat when things got bad (that could also be the Jews, heretics, or heathens, among other groups).

I'd argue that homophobia is one of the few justified kinds of social pressure for group identity, for reason I stated above. The deaths are unfortunate, but they brought it upon themselves for not repenting and overall being a burden to their society. Homosexuality cannot be universalized as a principle because if everyone was homosexual then humanity would go extinct in one or two generations. Or, if you use the scientific in vitro or whatever, then the sperms/ovaries would be less than ideal, compared to natural conceptions, resulting in weaker babies. Even if you do have babies (either from swinging or adopting), you've essentially robbed your children of the possibility to have normal heterosexual family, or perhaps, even heterosexual relationships.

Only selfish, mentally ill people would want any of that, just to fulfill their silly fetishes, and you called St. Paul crazy?

 

[Thrembs]

@MDGeist
How about you crack open a big can of GoFuckYourself, motherfucker?

If you need rules to keep yourself from being gay, then you’re already gay. So, go suck a dick. Or eat carpet. Whichever is gayer.

Straight people are the majority, and there are plenty of them. You don’t understand that reproductive rate is measured by population, not individuals.

Consensual gay sex was not a big deal in Ancient Rome. Pederasty is disgusting because it’s pedophelia.

And yes, Saul-cum-Paul of Tarsus was a crazy dickhead who cussed out Yeshu’s brother over eating treif and kosher at the same table.
He cussed everyone out. About everything.

He also fought against the importance of Brit Milah, and then conversion at all. In time his rhetoric led to the deaths of countless of his own people. “There shall be one law for yourself and the convert/stranger among you”. He argued that the law didn’t matter.
In the face of “I am not here to remove the law but to reaffirm it” that sounds completely contrary to the teachings of a man he never met.

One doesn’t need to be a Christian to read the Christian Bible. It’s often a fun read. Acts is crazy!
But I don’t meet many Christians who read the Hebrew Bible, except snippets that they take out of context.
I’ve read both a couple times.

Paul pushed “hell” into the consciousness of (alleged) worshippers of The Lord. He got it from pagan societies.

Sheol is mentioned once or twice but never explained. One theory as strong as any other is “graveyard”. Ever read Samuel? Why would the high priest be in “hell”?

Trinitarians are polytheists and have no share in the world to come.

In short: you don’t know shit.

 

[MDGeist]

@Thrembs
Why do you think Paul was the first one preaching against sodomy acts, instead of it being a principle he adopted from his Jewish background? Sodomy acts are also forbidden in Judaism too, for obvious reason (from my previous post, which you haven't debunked yet, by the way). Only now that somehow it's alright to do such things, because the conservatives and reformed Jews did enough mental gymnastics to convince themselves that such acts are allowed, when they're clearly not.

Again, I'm sorry to say that a lot of sodomites "somehow" died from reactions that are clearly natural responses to disgusting acts. Can words really kill people and cause them to commit suicide? Suicide is by definition an act of self-termination of one's own life. It is their own act that is responsible for their own deaths. Homosexual acts are naturally abhorrent, like male circumcision, but worse because such acts are sinful and bring catastrophe for everyone else. Some people like eating feces, but that doesn't mean it should be allowed, because it's disgusting. Same with sodomy. Deep down inside, the sodomites knew that such acts are sinful, that's why they've let themselves to fall into eternal damnation, out of their own will. Nobody pushed them to die, except for themselves. (Also, the quick spread of AIDS from male-to-male intercourse also contributed to many deaths of homosexuals, but hey, blame them on Christianity or "homophobia", right? )

I won't bother replying to your objections towards the New Testament when you don't even have the basic knowledge of it. You even wrongly attributed to Paul something he didn't really come up with. I see no reason to debate that with someone who's clearly not trying to do so in good faith. In fact, I think you aren't worth my time anymore. I already know what kind of person you are: an ideologue who bends truth to suit your own agenda. I think you should repent, because at this point you might hurt yourself, or even commit suicide, from persisting with your support of sexual deviancy and sin. You aren't even a male, you said it yourself. You're a female. Why insist then? Are you a yaoi fangirl? In other words, someone who likes disgusting sodomy as her fetish fuel? Pathetic, if true, like all people who are proud of their sins.

 

[Thrembs]

@MDGeist
So you want to follow all 613 of the old laws? Otherwise you’re a horrible sinner, right?
What’s the appropriate punishment for not digging your biff far enough from camp?

What mikveh do the women of your church use before they have sex with their husbands? There are pages and pages about menstrual blood before one line specifically about having sex with a man “like with a woman” which doesn’t even make sense, logically. Unless you mean by raping them. Because women were property. They had no right to consent.

I assume you buy kosher meat or live pescatarian. Blood and suet are explicitly prohibited.

How long are your tzitzit?

I hope you’ve never shaved your face or temples.

Your family marry your cousins, right? You’re supposed to do that.

On and on there are things you don’t do because they’re either inconvenient or heinous.

Everyone interprets the text, because it’s convoluted and weird.
There are two creation stories one after the other, and they contradict each other. That keeps happening.

Kid, you don’t know the Tanakh and you don’t seem to know that your own holy book is at least as full of conflicts and errors.

In short,
You’re disgusting

 

[zenitsu509]

@Thrembs why are u offended? its a mere coincident that this manga released in the same month of your so called "pride" month. the fact that youre offended by something like that goes to show that gay people will use anything, no matter how small, to use as an excuse to argue. grow up dude people like you are exactly why other people view the lgbtq community as weirdos. not saying i disagree with them 🤣.

 

[Silvermoon424]

@MDGeist You are actually so fucking disgusting.

 

[beep_repair]

@MDGeist
So you want to follow all 613 of the old laws? Otherwise you’re a horrible sinner, right?
What’s the appropriate punishment for not digging your biff far enough from camp?

What mikveh do the women of your church use before they have sex with their husbands? There are pages and pages about menstrual blood before one line specifically about having sex with a man “like with a woman” which doesn’t even make sense, logically. Unless you mean by raping them. Because women were property. They had no right to consent.

I assume you buy kosher meat or live pescatarian. Blood and suet are explicitly prohibited.

How long are your tzitzit?

I hope you’ve never shaved your face or temples.

Your family marry your cousins, right? You’re supposed to do that.

On and on there are things you don’t do because they’re either inconvenient or heinous.

Everyone interprets the text, because it’s convoluted and weird.
There are two creation stories one after the other, and they contradict each other. That keeps happening.

Kid, you don’t know the Tanakh and you don’t seem to know that your own holy book is at least as full of conflicts and errors.

In short,
You’re disgusting

Thank you for kicking all kinds of ass a long time ago ❤️

 

[Thrembs]

Thank you for kicking all kinds of ass a long time ago ❤️

I’m good at mixing audio, linguistics, Jewish studies and Bloodborne.

That’s about it.

Well, and sass.

 

[SHIZA_KAISER]

LMAO XDDDD

@Centurionzo fue subido este mes, y el cristianismo ha estado plagado de homofobia desde que Pablo de Tarso lo inventó.

 

[SHIZA_KAISER]

@Thrembs ¿Por qué te ofendes? Es pura coincidencia que este manga se haya publicado el mismo mes que tu supuesto mes del "orgullo". Que te ofenda algo así demuestra que los gays usan cualquier cosa, por pequeña que sea, como excusa para discutir. Madura, amigo, gente como tú es la razón por la que otros ven a la comunidad LGBTQ+ como bichos raros. No digo que no esté de acuerdo con ellos 🤣.

Totally agree

 

[Thrembs]

There is no such thing as "basic theology".
It's a deep, and varied subject that spans many faiths and philosophies.

Theology is also irrelevant to the discussion.
Religion is practice, doctrine is given.
This isn't an issue of the nature of Gd, gods, or anything spiritual.
I found the timing of this particular manga at that particular time suss.

A passion play is always inflammatory. That's what it's for.

Imagine getting mad at a manga because you don't understand basic theology.

 

[Thrembs]

@Thrembs
Why do you think Paul was the first one preaching against sodomy acts, instead of it being a principle he adopted from his Jewish background?

I never said that. Homophobia right there in Leviticus and Deuteronomy. I said he was a dick and created hell.

Stop with the straw man.

I'm all for people knowing what's actually written, especially with conspiracy theories going around that it was altered, or we don't know what the original says (I have it within reach).

Sodomy acts are also forbidden in Judaism too, for obvious reason (from my previous post, which you haven't debunked yet, by the way). Only now that somehow it's alright to do such things, because the conservatives and reformed Jews did enough mental gymnastics to convince themselves that such acts are allowed, when they're clearly not.

Human dignity trumps mitzvos. Right in the Talmud.
At least one Haredi rabbi interpreted things this way: women were property, and we don't treat them that way anymore. Since everyone now has the same level of consent, the law is obsolete.

No one can cross-dress if we make all clothes gender-neutral.
There's no confusion about bathrooms if they're all unisex.
One "lie" fits all.

Again, I'm sorry to say that a lot of sodomites "somehow" died from reactions that are clearly natural responses to disgusting acts.

That's just another way of saying "Y'all are gross and deserve to die", because it says nothing. It's just means and meaningless.

Can words really kill people and cause them to commit suicide? Suicide is by definition an act of self-termination of one's own life.

You have never had depression, or been abandoned by everyone you know and love.

It is their own act that is responsible for their own deaths. Homosexual acts are naturally abhorrent, like male circumcision

That's the law! Make up your mind!
So you want to follow the law, or violate it? Do you wear your tzitzis out or in?

but worse because such acts are sinful and bring catastrophe for everyone else. Some people like eating feces, but that doesn't mean it should be allowed, because it's disgusting. Same with sodomy. Deep down inside, the sodomites knew that such acts are sinful, that's why they've let themselves to fall into eternal damnation, out of their own will.

That's just parroted nonsense. It's just dogma. It's copypasta

Nobody pushed them to die, except for themselves. (Also, the quick spread of AIDS from male-to-male intercourse also contributed to many deaths of homosexuals, but hey, blame them on Christianity or "homophobia", right? )

AIDS kills more straight people than gay. They have a higher rate of infection, and don't get tested as often.

Promiscuity is dangerous, and there is a lot of promiscuity in gay male spaces. It's currently facts, and was moreso leading up to the crisis.

The spread of a pathogen can take many directions, and that was a place it could flourish.

That's really recent in the history of humanity. If you think Gd did that, why wasn't Rome or ancient Greece hit?

I won't bother replying to your objections towards the New Testament when you don't even have the basic knowledge of it. You even wrongly attributed to Paul something he didn't really come up with.

Hell? The Romans came up with it. He used it, because he was a putz.
YOU said I said he invented homophobia.

I see no reason to debate that with someone who's clearly not trying to do so in good faith. In fact, I think you aren't worth my time anymore. I already know what kind of person you are: an ideologue who bends truth to suit your own agenda.

Pffffft. Pots, kettles.

I think you should repent, because at this point you might hurt yourself, or even commit suicide, from persisting with your support of sexual deviancy and sin. You aren't even a male, you said it yourself. You're a female. Why insist then? Are you a yaoi fangirl? In other words, someone who likes disgusting sodomy as her fetish fuel? Pathetic, if true, like all people who are proud of their sins.

I'm doing great, yo. My only worries are being put in alligator Alcatraz and being poor.
"You might fall in love and have a normal relationship. That's going to lead to suicide." What are you? Missouri Synod Lutheran?
That crap was barfed out all the time at the church my father took us. All it was was sex, death, blood, hell, and asking for more money.

I barely skim BL sex scenes. They're banal and perfunctory, generally. Rarely is there any story or character development. It's just THERE and pointless.
It's perfectly normal activities, but I'd prefer it off-screen, as it were.
The perfunctory stuff is fetishistic, and dumb.

I just like love stories.


Go hug someone.

 

[SHIZA_KAISER]

[USUARIO=174099]@Thrembs[/USUARIO]
¿Por qué crees que Pablo fue el primero en predicar contra la sodomía, en lugar de ser un principio que adoptó de su origen judío? La sodomía también está prohibida en el judaísmo, por una razón obvia (de mi publicación anterior, que, por cierto, aún no ha desmentido). Solo que ahora, de alguna manera, está bien hacer cuentos cosas, porque los judíos conservadores y reformados hicieron suficiente gimnasia mental para convencerse de que cuentos están permitidos, cuando claramente no lo están.

De nuevo, lamento decir que muchas sodomitas murieron "de alguna manera" por reacciones que son claramente respuestas naturales a actos repugnantes. ¿Pueden las palabras realmente matar a las personas y hacer que se suiciden? El suicidio es, por definición, un acto de autodestrucción de la propia vida. Es su propio acto el responsable de su propia muerte. Los actos homosexuales son naturalmente aborrecibles, como la circuncisión masculina, pero peores porque son pecaminosos y traen una catástrofe para todos los demás. A algunas personas les gusta comer heces, pero eso no significa que deba permitirse, porque es repugnante. Lo mismo ocurre con la sodomía. En el fondo, los sodomitas sabían que tales actos son pecaminosos, por eso se dejaron caer en la condenación eterna, por voluntad propia. Nadie los empujó a morir, excepto ellos mismos. (Además, la rápida propagación del SIDA por las relaciones sexuales entre hombres también contribuyó a muchas muertes de homosexuales, pero bueno, la culpa es del cristianismo o de la "homofobia", ¿no?).

No me molestaré en responder a tus objeciones sobre el Nuevo Testamento cuando ni siquiera tengas el conocimiento básico del mismo. Incluso le atribuyeste erróneamente a Pablo algo que realmente no se le ocurrió. No veo razón para debatir eso con alguien que claramente no intenta hacerlo de buena fe. De hecho, creo que ya no vales mi tiempo. Ya sé qué clase de persona eres: un ideólogo que tuerce la verdad para adaptarla a sus propios intereses. Creo que deberías arrepentirte, porque en este punto podrías hacerte daño, o incluso suicidarte, por persistir en tu apoyo a la desviación sexual y al pecado. Ni siquiera eres hombre, tú mismo lo dijiste. Eres mujer. ¿Por qué insistir entonces? ¿Eres un fan del yaoi? En otras palabras, ¿alguien a quien le gusta la sodomía repugnante como combustible para sus fetiches? Patético, de ser cierto, como todos los que están orgullosos de sus pecados.

Felicidades, el tipo crónicamente en línea todavía está llorando por tu comentario después de casi 5 años LOL

 

[Thrembs]

Felicidades, el tipo crónicamente en línea todavía está llorando por tu comentario después de casi 5 años LOL

I got a notification, I saw that comment for the first time.

Congratulations to all.

 

[SHIZA_KAISER]

Recibí una notificación, vi ese comentario por primera vez.

Felicitaciones a todos.

Congratulations bro, now go touch grass

 

[Thrembs]

Congratulations bro, now go touch grass

Touch grass?
I practically lived outside this summer. I literally loved in a van in spring.
I chat with the neighbours.
I don't have any social media.

Are you actually saying "Stop reading historical and philosophical texts"?

Thousands year-old books are too woke for you?

The irony...

 

[SHIZA_KAISER]

¿Tocar la hierba?
Este verano prácticamente viví al aire libre. Me encantó estar en una furgoneta en primavera.
Charlo con los vecinos.
No tengo ninguna red social.

¿En realidad estás diciendo: "Dejad de leer textos históricos y filosóficos"?

¿Los libros de miles de años de antigüedad son demasiado despiertos para ti?

La ironía...

Yeah, sure, whatever you say LMAO

 

[Thrembs]

Yeah, sure, whatever you say LMAO

Thank you for agreeing with everything I have said. I'm glad you see reason.

Leaving it machine translated, then replying in copypasta English is still a strange choice.

Why are you here if you don't read English? The story is in almost every language to ever exist. There's no need to read a version that was written in Japanese then translated to English, is there?

I suppose you're probably used to reading a translation of a translation of the bible, not the original.

We never stopped using the original, though.

We also don't use this unofficial sequel.

 

[SHIZA_KAISER]

Thank you for agreeing with everything I have said. I'm glad you see reason.

Leaving it machine translated, then replying in copypasta English is still a strange choice.

Why are you here if you don't read English? The story is in almost every language to ever exist. There's no need to read a version that was written in Japanese then translated to English, is there?

I suppose you're probably used to reading a translation of a translation of the bible, not the original.

We never stopped using the original, though.

We also don't use this unofficial sequel.

I love it when shitty moralists like you make such intolerant comments, I could keep making you cry for a long time longer XDD

 

[Thrembs]

That's not anything.
That's just buzzwords and yelping like a mistreated chihuahua or shitzu.

You're just shouting like a child.

It's honestly really sad that this is what you do for fun.

And a Christian calling me, a queer, "moralist", is hilarious.

Go hug your family.

What makes you think I'm upset? I'm bemused at most.


You don't even know what I'm saying! You know what a computer thinks I am saying.

"Ignorant" is completely inapplicable. I'm the one who can read more than one language, and read books without pictures (when I choose. Nothing wrong with manga, but the original version had better be on your shelf, if you purport to follow it.

I love it when shitty moralists like you make such intolerant comments, I could keep making you cry for a long time longer XDD