Ka「」Ku「」Shi「」Go「」To「 - Vol. 3 Ch. 18
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@Kendama Thank you to you and your team regardless. If I may ask, is it a lack of a proofreader, then? Maybe someone with skills would be willing to volunteer. I saw your recruitment page at the end, and it didn't mention this series.
Anyways, on the actual chapter, that really is some shitty timing for Para to show up there right after the other girl got rejected.
Just to make sure because the art style can be weird sometimes, the person that showed up at the door was Zuka, right?
Anyways, on the actual chapter, that really is some shitty timing for Para to show up there right after the other girl got rejected.
Just to make sure because the art style can be weird sometimes, the person that showed up at the door was Zuka, right?
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@comeonnow No, the series is going into a hiatus till November. In Japan. This is the last chapter before the hiatus. Our team is complete and we'll resume the series immediately when the next chapter comes.
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Hmmm... she technically didn't do anything wrong though... sure, the girl was hurt... but that was more from her own self and her own insecurities...
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Damn I understand the hiatus but doing it in a cliffhanger.
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@deathmailrock Multiple people asked her to stop with her antics. Both Miyazato and Zuka himself asked her to stop it for various reasons that were explained to her. Miyazato says it's not good for Para herself, that the act she puts up basically is taking a toll on her. Zuka lightly suggests that it makes him uncomfortable that she does it, even if he says that the acts are fun. That's what both of those flashbacks are about.
Is it a direct explanation? No. But she has been told by multiple people to stop. Hell, the girl who confessed to him even straight asked Para if she liked Zuka, and Para herself knew that it looked like she did because of how close she acted with Zuka. Thus, she knew people would likely have this misunderstanding, and she refused to stop even though she had been asked to stop. That's how she did something wrong.
Is it a direct explanation? No. But she has been told by multiple people to stop. Hell, the girl who confessed to him even straight asked Para if she liked Zuka, and Para herself knew that it looked like she did because of how close she acted with Zuka. Thus, she knew people would likely have this misunderstanding, and she refused to stop even though she had been asked to stop. That's how she did something wrong.
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@comeonnow Even if she was asked to stop, with the exception of the dude, no one else had the right to really say anything. It's just between them. Most of the people are outsiders in a situation that only involves the 2 of them... so you still can't say she did anything wrong. And the dude seems to be against it a bit, but he doesn't seem unreasonably bothered either. Just an annoyance. Not something she needs to feel this level of guilt for...
Even the girl that confessed doesn't have the right to be mad at that.
Even the girl that confessed doesn't have the right to be mad at that.
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@deathmailrock She knew with complete certainty that her actions were causing misunderstandings. Having someone feel worse as a result of the misunderstandings is a logical consequence of that she should have been able to predict, especially given that this trip involves the class ritual of giving bells to your crush, something that she also knew.
The end result is that she should have known that her actions would cause unnecessary suffering, and she continued to act that way despite being asked to stop. And why did she want to act this way in the first place? Because it gave her some strange comfort thinking she could put on this facade, even though she knew it was still bad for herself. Like smoking gives comfort but is still bad for you. So she knew it was basically bad for everyone, including herself.
Is it extremely bad of her? No. Is it very bad of her? No. It's a fairly mild thing that she did wrong. I think she is beating herself up a bit too much about it. But the fact remains that yes, she did do something wrong, even if only mildly wrong. That's what I'm getting at.
And doesn't have the right to be mad at that? What the actual hell? It's not like she did anything besides say "How annoying" and walk off. You're actually saying she doesn't have a right to feel a certain way? If that's the case, then that literally applies to Para as well. She doesn't have a right to feel like she can just use Zuka to bring comfort to herself. If you criticize the girl who confessed, then you should be criticizing Para even more because not only does she also feel mad about how other people act, Para also involves other people in her antics even though they ask her to stop.
First of all, it's not even clear if she is actually mad. Her saying "How annoying" could just be her shame at being seen right after getting rejected. Second of all, EVEN IF she is mad, she has every right to feel that way just like how every person has a right to not be friends with anyone else. Unless she does something else, she can feel how she wants, just the same way Para can too.
The end result is that she should have known that her actions would cause unnecessary suffering, and she continued to act that way despite being asked to stop. And why did she want to act this way in the first place? Because it gave her some strange comfort thinking she could put on this facade, even though she knew it was still bad for herself. Like smoking gives comfort but is still bad for you. So she knew it was basically bad for everyone, including herself.
Is it extremely bad of her? No. Is it very bad of her? No. It's a fairly mild thing that she did wrong. I think she is beating herself up a bit too much about it. But the fact remains that yes, she did do something wrong, even if only mildly wrong. That's what I'm getting at.
And doesn't have the right to be mad at that? What the actual hell? It's not like she did anything besides say "How annoying" and walk off. You're actually saying she doesn't have a right to feel a certain way? If that's the case, then that literally applies to Para as well. She doesn't have a right to feel like she can just use Zuka to bring comfort to herself. If you criticize the girl who confessed, then you should be criticizing Para even more because not only does she also feel mad about how other people act, Para also involves other people in her antics even though they ask her to stop.
First of all, it's not even clear if she is actually mad. Her saying "How annoying" could just be her shame at being seen right after getting rejected. Second of all, EVEN IF she is mad, she has every right to feel that way just like how every person has a right to not be friends with anyone else. Unless she does something else, she can feel how she wants, just the same way Para can too.
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@comeonnow I think we are using the term "right to be mad at" differently... in most context, it means there isn't a good reason to be angry, justified vs unjustified... you seem to be using it in the way as "allowed vs not" anyone CAN be angry. I can be angry at someone for buying a silver Playstation because I believe that people should only buy black Playstations is not a justified anger. Hating someone for just having different color skin is not a justified anger.
Even if she did something wrong with the "prince" thing, she only wronged a single person. And he's the only one who can justifiably be angry. If someone else is mad at her for that, then they are just being unfair and mean. And THEY would be the one in the wrong. And if they voice it out, then it's more so them being in the wrong.
Most of the people who asked her to stop aren't justified in it. She's not wronging them in any way. It's a minor problem that involves only 2 people. Anyone else being bothered by it are at fault for their own actions.
Even if she did something wrong with the "prince" thing, she only wronged a single person. And he's the only one who can justifiably be angry. If someone else is mad at her for that, then they are just being unfair and mean. And THEY would be the one in the wrong. And if they voice it out, then it's more so them being in the wrong.
Most of the people who asked her to stop aren't justified in it. She's not wronging them in any way. It's a minor problem that involves only 2 people. Anyone else being bothered by it are at fault for their own actions.
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@deathmailrock Imagine I eat a banana and leave the peel in a park even though there's a trashcan not far away. I have wronged the park groundskeeper because I littered. Additionally, however, I have also caused a very foreseeable danger for anyone walking through the park who could slip and get injured. Someone slipping on a loose banana peel is very foreseeable. I have wronged not only the groundskeeper but also anyone who gets injured by the peel.
It's the same kind of thing here. Para wronged Zuka by using him for her own comfort despite him asking her to stop. Para also wronged the girl who confessed because Para knew very explicitly that her actions were causing these misunderstandings, yet she still continued. She should've known people would likely be hurt by these misunderstandings, and yet she still continued.
You wrote "It's a minor problem that involves only 2 people.". You're assuming that. You're putting the cart before the horse. All of what I wrote is about how the problem involves more than two people. Then you come in and say oh, it only involves two people. Oh, she only wronged one person. You're ignoring the problem entirely and just asserting that it only involves two people even though I've given a lot of reasons why it involves more than two people. This is like if you said the banana peel in the park only involves two people even though very clearly it involves more than two people.
It's the same kind of thing here. Para wronged Zuka by using him for her own comfort despite him asking her to stop. Para also wronged the girl who confessed because Para knew very explicitly that her actions were causing these misunderstandings, yet she still continued. She should've known people would likely be hurt by these misunderstandings, and yet she still continued.
You wrote "It's a minor problem that involves only 2 people.". You're assuming that. You're putting the cart before the horse. All of what I wrote is about how the problem involves more than two people. Then you come in and say oh, it only involves two people. Oh, she only wronged one person. You're ignoring the problem entirely and just asserting that it only involves two people even though I've given a lot of reasons why it involves more than two people. This is like if you said the banana peel in the park only involves two people even though very clearly it involves more than two people.
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Okay... well the author is telling me that I should have done a re-read to know who that girl with the hair-clip was apparently.
I mean it still falls in line with the premise of having powers which seem to be OP but instead make you focus less on what's more important when seeing into someone's thoughts.
Now we get to Zuka, I wonder if he does possess a power of reading a person, or if he genuinely came to see if she was okay out of his own volition.
I mean it would make sense in the narrative, that the only one who can't read other's thoughts is actually the one with the healthiest mindset or at least the most empathy among them.
@comeonnow niceee that was a really nice metaphor bud.
Yeah true, it wasn't technically Para's fault that the hair-clip girl was rejected by Zuka, and she doesn't need to accept she was at fault to an extent, but I think it's important also to remember that she involved herself into the lives of other people albeit unintentionally. Like the banana metaphor, you don't know who you are affecting when you throw your garbage haphazardly, it's either you accept that it may affect someone someday or deny it in your mind that no one will be affected.
I'm glad Para accepted she did something wrong, because that shows that she was raised to have empathy and she's not using her powers just to dick around. She didn't have to, but accepting it shows she can mature as a character.
I mean it still falls in line with the premise of having powers which seem to be OP but instead make you focus less on what's more important when seeing into someone's thoughts.
Now we get to Zuka, I wonder if he does possess a power of reading a person, or if he genuinely came to see if she was okay out of his own volition.
I mean it would make sense in the narrative, that the only one who can't read other's thoughts is actually the one with the healthiest mindset or at least the most empathy among them.
@comeonnow niceee that was a really nice metaphor bud.
Yeah true, it wasn't technically Para's fault that the hair-clip girl was rejected by Zuka, and she doesn't need to accept she was at fault to an extent, but I think it's important also to remember that she involved herself into the lives of other people albeit unintentionally. Like the banana metaphor, you don't know who you are affecting when you throw your garbage haphazardly, it's either you accept that it may affect someone someday or deny it in your mind that no one will be affected.
I'm glad Para accepted she did something wrong, because that shows that she was raised to have empathy and she's not using her powers just to dick around. She didn't have to, but accepting it shows she can mature as a character.
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@comeonnow Yes, but littering is an actual wrong. It makes more work for someone and it dirties the community. But for outsiders to be hurt between something that's happening between 2 people in their relationship is another matter entirely. So what if they misunderstand? She's an outsider. If she were his girlfriend, maybe it'd work. But being bothered by the relationship between 2 people isn't a justified reason to be angry.
Misunderstanding is her own fault and even then, it has nothing to do with her. She is an outsider, no matter what her feelings are. Just because her feelings are hurt doesn't mean she's wronged.
If someone likes your girlfriend, does that mean you have to break up with them to not hurt the other person? No, of course not. Her being hurt doesn't mean she's actually involved. Her feelings are hurt, but she's an outsider. If she misunderstands, it doesn't matter because it's her being bothered by an issued for another person's relationship.
You are saying that involves more than 2 people... but that's not true. She's not a part of it. She just feels hurt. But that is actually just a separate issue and not a wrong towards her. She's bothered by the relationship between her crush and this girl. But it's THEIR relationship, not hers. Her being hurt isn't justified. She wasn't wronged in any way.
Her feeling uncomfortable or misunderstanding is solely her issue and not a problem for others.
Yes, she felt uncomfortable and hurt, but she's not a part of it. She's feeling uncomfortable and hurt due to other people's issues.
All those people who asked her to stop weren't justified. They were outsiders trying to butt into the relationship between 2 people.
Misunderstanding is her own fault and even then, it has nothing to do with her. She is an outsider, no matter what her feelings are. Just because her feelings are hurt doesn't mean she's wronged.
If someone likes your girlfriend, does that mean you have to break up with them to not hurt the other person? No, of course not. Her being hurt doesn't mean she's actually involved. Her feelings are hurt, but she's an outsider. If she misunderstands, it doesn't matter because it's her being bothered by an issued for another person's relationship.
You are saying that involves more than 2 people... but that's not true. She's not a part of it. She just feels hurt. But that is actually just a separate issue and not a wrong towards her. She's bothered by the relationship between her crush and this girl. But it's THEIR relationship, not hers. Her being hurt isn't justified. She wasn't wronged in any way.
Her feeling uncomfortable or misunderstanding is solely her issue and not a problem for others.
Yes, she felt uncomfortable and hurt, but she's not a part of it. She's feeling uncomfortable and hurt due to other people's issues.
All those people who asked her to stop weren't justified. They were outsiders trying to butt into the relationship between 2 people.
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