Kajiya de Hajimeru Isekai Slow Life - Vol. 5 Ch. 24

[finalm]

He is clearly talking about drawing the sword back as you cut, or, in other words, a "draw cut."

It's swung no differently than a longsword except you can't do reverse edge cuts. Literally, pick up a katana and do all of the longsword cuts you would normally do, but don't do any reverse edge cuts because it obviously doesn't have a reverse edge. The katana will perform pretty much exactly the same as the longsword and pretty much exactly the same as if you were doing your special Edo period swordsman cuts. Obviously edge alignment is important, I never suggested it wasn't, and at this point you are deliberately not engaging with the argument whatsoever and just inventing things I never said, and I'm done arguing with you.

As far as I know, a draw cut is defined as slicing the opponent by moving the blade against his body, rather than swinging at him. That's why I said it's a move of opportunity/desperation - if your sword is in contact with the opponent, but trapped so that you can't pull it back, this is better than nothing and might free it. This is clearly not what he was talking about.

I'm not experienced with a katana, so I couldn't realy say, but you seem awfully confident for somone who disagrees with the bulk of literature on the topic. Stubborn and easily offended when your preconceptions are challenged too. You seem to have beef with the Edo period, but I'm starting to think you'd fit right in.

 

[Grikath]

if your sword is in contact with the opponent, but trapped so that you can't pull it back,

You put the Boot in... As shown in many a period illustration...

( yeah, yeah... not "gentlemanly" nor "Tournament Rules" .... Then again, that stuff would get you killed in a real fight...)

 

[finalm]

You put the Boot in... As shown in many a period illustration...

( yeah, yeah... not "gentlemanly" nor "Tournament Rules" .... Then again, that stuff would get you killed in a real fight...)

If you can get away with it, sure why not. It's risky to both shorten distance and compromise your balance at once though, I would definetly think thrice. Period illustrations also tend to allow for a lot of... let's say artistic license. Heck, even actual swordfighting manuscripts were known to contain what were basically jokes at the learner's expense. They have to be taken with some reservation.

 

[Grikath]

If you can get away with it, sure why not. It's risky to both shorten distance and compromise your balance at once though, I would definetly think thrice. Period illustrations also tend to allow for a lot of... let's say artistic license. Heck, even actual swordfighting manuscripts were known to contain what were basically jokes at the learner's expense. They have to be taken with some reservation.

As always.....
If classic weaponplay were merely a matter of going by rote, we'd not have our little hobby...

Too many ....decisions.. to be made in a mere tenth of a second..
Which, as I get older and slower, only makes the matter more interesting..

But in the situation you used as an example, sword bound on the body, you're close enough for any kind of kicking/grappling technique. And you better pray your opponent is not one of the bears I regularly go up against as a flyweight...
You gotta be quick and nasty before they get their mitts on you if you're stupid enough to get in that situation...

 

[finalm]

As always.....
If classic weaponplay were merely a matter of going by rote, we'd not have our little hobby...

Too many ....decisions.. to be made in a mere tenth of a second..
Which, as I get older and slower, only makes the matter more interesting..

But in the situation you used as an example, sword bound on the body, you're close enough for any kind of kicking/grappling technique. And you better pray your opponent is not one of the bears I regularly go up against as a flyweight...
You gotta be quick and nasty before they get their mitts on you if you're stupid enough to get in that situation...

That's the thing, the example is based on a situation I've had in which the opponent was equipped with a weapon of shorter reach and bound the sword after a failed thrust of mine (a big screw up, true). He very much wanted to grapple and given that he weighed much more than me, let's just say I wasn't keen. He had the blade against his armpit, so we both agreed, that me yanking it quickly forward, then backwards in that improvised drawcut would have had some effect. Not ideal under any circumstances, but you take what you can get.

 

[GridLite]

I really like this because everything about the story is balanced: the story pacing, the world building, the focus of the story(smithing), the overall cuteness of everyone especially their chibi, and most importantly, mc being kind without being some kind of pushover.

 

[DedBeet]

Bronze is far softer and blades made from it much shorter. Since it will bend, rather than break, it can (and usually was) cast. Iron is a whole other story, the way it shapes and cools in the mold will create weak points, that exacerbate it's brittleness. You might get a better result with modern steel, but historically casting iron was useless for swords. There are actual tests of such "weapons" against bronze swords - they snap easliy when clashed against them.

I was gonna basically say most of this in my original post but decided against it cause as we can see both are word salads that just take up a lot of space in the comments

Spoiler: Warning slight rant

but then smarty pants over there went "uh in modern day with advanced knowledge of metallurgy and the science behind steel making we can just make perfectly perfect steel by referencing a carbon content chart to see what properties we want and then pour that into molds and shape those into swords" I know it wasn't malicious and meant to be informative and fun factish. so take that with a grain of salt

Spoiler: rant 2

but also wish a manga focused a little on swords would, y'know talk about what makes a sword good but I realize it's mostly laid back and not meant to be an obesessive pouring of historical techniques and the science behind steel but it's kinda sad how glossed over some sword making intricacies cause of in universe cheats which magically make the iron perfect now only being vaguely mentioned again cause of japanese sword making. but atleast make passing mentions of cool blacksmith things like hitting a piece of metal till it glows to light a forge (though I don't know if that's only a European thing)

wow did not expect to type this long, sorry for bothering you far later since I forgot about this till I reread it again, should not be reading late at night it does things to you, not sure if any of this is coherent

 

[finalm]

I was gonna basically say most of this in my original post but decided against it cause as we can see both are word salads that just take up a lot of space in the comments

Spoiler: Warning slight rant

but then smarty pants over there went "uh in modern day with advanced knowledge of metallurgy and the science behind steel making we can just make perfectly perfect steel by referencing a carbon content chart to see what properties we want and then pour that into molds and shape those into swords" I know it wasn't malicious and meant to be informative and fun factish. so take that with a grain of salt

Spoiler: rant 2

but also wish a manga focused a little on swords would, y'know talk about what makes a sword good but I realize it's mostly laid back and not meant to be an obesessive pouring of historical techniques and the science behind steel but it's kinda sad how glossed over some sword making intricacies cause of in universe cheats which magically make the iron perfect now only being vaguely mentioned again cause of japanese sword making. but atleast make passing mentions of cool blacksmith things like hitting a piece of metal till it glows to light a forge (though I don't know if that's only a European thing)

wow did not expect to type this long, sorry for bothering you far later since I forgot about this till I reread it again, should not be reading late at night it does things to you, not sure if any of this is coherent

You're not bothering me, it's meant to be a discussion.

The guy was right that you might get a halfway decent result by casting modern powdered crucible steel (at least surely a better one than the historical attempts), but it'll still be an inferior product, compared to doing it properly, for reasons I already stated.

Yeah, it's annoying that the author doesn't do even rudimentary research on a topic central to his work. I'm not expecting this to be a documentary, but don't bloody handwave away basic things with "cheats" - why even insist that the character takes on the occupation of blacksmith if what he does is just "magic"?

 

[SalvySaroj]

Katana is indeed sharp but it is not as durable as the Knight sword.

It's more likely up to user no..., i mean I will most likely bend both quite quickly 🗿

 

[Mussthemoose]

This has been a very comfy read, I'm happy to have found it and enjoyed the slow fun pace of it

 

[zafalpai]

We're close to finishing a new blade for Nylda, quite expressions we've got for this chap especially from our silly derpy Samia-chan >:3

either way bois and gals, ENJOY the wait of 3 months :>
Chapter 25(.1(?)) will out in 20 days~


Tho we posted the chap earlier on our website xP

Tomorrow the raw will out..

 

[EobardThawne]

Tadashi who?

 

[panneqaha]

You don't actually need to do 1000 folds if you start with good quality metal.
Folding doesn't remove impurities, it just spreads them out evenly so there are no large-sized defects.
European steel never needed folding because of its higher quality.

To be fair, the "folded 1000 times" is probably a misunderstanding of "folded to 1000 layers" or something. To get 1000 layers, you 'only' need to fold it 10 times (which, to be fair, is still quite a bit of effort when it's all done by hand).

Are there even people who still believe that swords that had this groove had it for blood draining?

There's still people who believe that knights in full plate harness needed to be craned onto their horses, and were helpless if they fell over. Thinking that a fuller is a "blood groove" is less egregious.

 

[theldras]

japanese swords where made the way they where because their iron was vastly inferior to western iron, they simply had to do it that way for it to not be a piece of useless slag, japanese swords was objectively inferior to western swords in almost all aspects, it's objectively true that a western knight would win more often then not against a japanese samurai purely based on the quality of their equipment alone.

 

[VooXoo]

Is a bit weird to be surprised at MC for being able to do more than one thing, is normal nowadays for a person to be specialized in one role, but in the olden times people were able to do many more things, a adult man what main job is crafting able to cook good bread wouldn't be that surprsing.
Nowadays we use our time on hobbies and books, but back then learning something was a way to use extra time.

 

[SoEu]

HAMON??!?!?