KAKAO 79% - Ch. 162 - Uninvited Guests (3)

[MangaDex]

 

[Lxpiz]

I think both sides should understand each other first ://

 

[FredFriendly]

Ugh. Instead of revelling in the newly established romance between Yuu and Tsubasa, it looks like we're headed for a long, drawn-out Tendou "redemption arc." And when that's concluded, we'll probably have to suffer through a long, drawn-out Natsume Ai "redemption arc." How long before we get any lovey-dovey scenes between the main characters??? Ugh.

 

[Greyvenn]

So dramatic... u_u

 

[superdoofus]

Just remember: there's nothing more boring than a successful romantic relationship.

 

[FredFriendly]

@superdoofus Apparently you've never seen Mork and Mindy.

 

[Yautja]

@superdoofus
Horimiya, Kanojo Ni Naru Hi, Otoyomegatari, Ojojojo, Wotakoi, Tzurezure Children, Yandere Kanojo, Golden Time, and so many more.
You said something really stupid.

 

[superdoofus]

Although I'll concede that I made a very general statement, a lot of the series @Yautja mentions depicts couples who are particularly dysfunctional, continuously undergo rough patches, or end before things continue for too long. Or, barring that, they're a little boring (which doesn't stop me from enjoying them).

 

[mirp448]

all aboard kids we seem to be going on another feels trip

 

[Yautja]

@superdoofus
And if that were, which it isn't, that would make your untrue statement true how? Seems like a pretty generic fallacy to me.

 

[woks]

Sucessful relationship doesn't mean everything else around them is sucessful. The whole point of the manga is that they weren't together til now because of how them being together would affect others. How is that even boring lol?

 

[superdoofus]

@woks Because if everything were perfect (no secrets to hide, no conflicts, etc.), it'd just be them going on dates and hanging out. That's swell albeit boring; seeing two people love each other without any sort of dramatic tension are either riddled with sexual tension and becomes porn without the sex or a prolonged exhibition of an ideal pairing of the two characters (and by extension the author feeling themselves for writing a cute couple).

Is it riveting to see two people get along well while actively being recognized as an actual couple by their surroundings? It tugs on our heartstrings for a small bit, but ultimately it's a very short and quick payoff. These instances don't last especially long because they usually fail to hold a majority audience for more than at best three chapters, which is why authors either do stupid plot twists which endanger the couple's bond that piss everybody off ala the many of the series @Yautja mentions (Otoyomegatari's couple has the main character leaving to become a more suitable partner for his wife, but that pesky Russian invasion begs to differ; Ojojojo has its main male character mostly aloof from his girlfriend due to his sinister past; Tzurezure Children outright ended just as most of the couples became consolidated), or the author cuts the series right where things are at their juiciest to end on a high note (such as Ookami Shounen wa Kyou mo Uso o Kasaneru, which has the main couple exist for merely one chapter before stopping the series). Most exceptions that to this (Bonnouji comes to mind) usually peter off into a droll trot that's pleasant but just milquetoast in terms of interesting plotlines until they too just end. Horimiya and Wotakoi are exceptions to both of these statements, but the former is pretty much coasting on trying to keep interest by focusing on side couples since the main couple are pretty much at the cusp of the peak of their relationship; they can't escalate much higher without having drastic consequences to the status quo (which the author seems to not want to end just yet). The latter, however, is one I'll concede to; Wotakoi's gimmick that the couples are ironing themselves out from their hobbies and their relationship are very capable of keeping a tight hold on its audience. For the time being at least, I'm keeping my eye on it.

I'm all for seeing cute stupid stuff between a cute couple, but I also understand that it gets very boring very quickly and by extension aren't usually a vehicle to tell a compelling story (or are victims to the axe like Magico was, that was a tragedy). Maybe one of these days I'll check out that Mork and Mindy that @FredFriendly mentions, though.

 

[Yautja]

@superdoofus
You're making a lot of assumptions and treating them, if they were true, as if they applied to everyone and everyone agreed with them. You seemingly cannot see your basic fallacies. Your description of the series I listed also does not match your misdefintions you originally used to describe them. "Dysfunctional", a word you clearly do not know the definition to if you use it to describe any of the series I listed. "Continuously undergo rough patches" a ridiculously general term that could be applied to anything and a condition for an entertaining romance according to you apparently as a smooth romance is not entertaining. Or "End before things continue on for too long" which logically cannot make a series boring as it "ends before things continue on for too long". You're making a ridiculous amount of untrue general and specific statements and pretending that everyone agrees with them. Anyone who's read the listed series or series of the same ilk can tell how ridiculous your words are.

And for all your words, none of that makes your original statement true. You've failed to make the connection and prove successful = boring. You just hold an opinion and are trying, and failing, to pass it off as a fact. Your name is not for nothing it seems.

 

[superdoofus]

@Yautja And I'm not really sure what you're getting at here other than venting at me for my opinion. If you would be so inclined to dispute my last comment, then I'd be more inclined to understand what you mean. As it is right now, personally attacking me won't make me budge.

 

[Yautja]

@superdoofus
You made a statement of fact, not an opinion, that successful romances are boring with no proof or backing. I provided examples to the contrary. You made untrue claims about those examples that wouldn't validate your original statement regardless of whether or not they're true. I stated that you did so. Then you did so again. And then I stated again how you were misusing words, fallacies, unsubstantiated claims and lies to justify an opinion as a fact. I'm not venting at you for your opinion. I'm calling you out for trying to pass your opinion off as a fact by utilizing fallacies and obvious untruths.

I don't see how it could be anyone more obvious than my last three sentences. None of what you've said makes your original statement true. You've failed to make any connections and provide proof that a successful romance is inherently boring because it is successful. You are trying to pass your opinion of as a fact by using fallacies and lies and you're failing to do so.

 

[superdoofus]

@Yautja Indeed, I did say an opinion as fact. However, how is it contradictory that any of the series I mentioned were, in fact, not boring with having a successful relationship?

 

[Yautja]

@superdoofus
You didn't mention any series. You didn't contradict anything, I did. They weren't boring; their ratings and comments reflect that. Your criticisms, if you can call them that, of the series I listed were shaky at best. The events you listed in Otoyomegatari are completely separate. And even if they weren't it'd hardly make the series boring or amount to any justified complaint. Your complaint(?) about Ojojojo simply isn't true and doesn't contribute to your point. He is aloof but he doesn't neglect his girlfriend in any sense. And again, if that were true, it wouldn't contribute to your statement. Half of Tzurzure Children's main cast were couples before the series was half over. How that could be conflated with boring or validation for your original statement is a complete mystery. How on Earth you could conflate any of that with boring is even more incomprehensible. You said something stupid and defended it with fallacies and lies.

You don't understand English all that well and / or aren't very bright if you continue to defend your statement, especially if you do it as you currently are.

 

[superdoofus]

@Yautja Of course, Ojojojo just went into a new arc where the main character ends up ditching his girlfriend for some stupid reason that pissed everyone off to try and keep things interesting (coincidentally enough, he's neglecting her interests right now, but I know neither of us wanted this development). Also, Tzuredure Children is a special case due to how they let the readers cool down from too much successful coupling with infuriating "will-they-won't-they" not-couple dynamics; if they focused on the couples that actually tied themselves together, I doubt it'd be especially interesting after a prolonged period of time.

Lastly, I'm really offended by how forward you are with personally attacking me. I can understand frustration with how I keep "jabbing" series by being boring (which I use in a way that does not mean "terrible," but more "mundane" or "lukewarm" in terms of excitement), but you're especially edged as if you have a very large investment in full-romantic non-action series in general. You do you, but you also shouldn't try to be intimidating on the internet.

 

[Yautja]

@superdoofus
You clearly do not know the definitions of the words you're using or what you've said if you believe 'neglect' or 'dysfunctional' applies to the series I list. You're again, simply wrong with what you've said of the series I've listed. You're also lying by saying 'everyone is pissed off'. The comments in Ojojojo are testament to that. If you think anything you said defends what you said or is a reply to what I've said, you're simply wrong. Nothing. Zero. Not a thing you've said defends the patently wrong statement you have made. It's been made clear in every way possible and if you can't see that 'not very bright' or 'stupid' is the kindest way I could you describe you.

You're free to perceive reality as an attack and I really couldn't give less of a shit about what offends you. Especially when it's not concurrent with reality. I also couldn't care less what you think of the series I listed. What irritates me is you being undeniably and categorically wrong and pretending otherwise or simply ignoring that reality. I've made it exceedingly clear as to why you're wrong and what may be the cause. If you think I'm trying to being intimidating it just shows how blind you are. And if you think this is me attacking you, I'd hate to see your reaction to me actually attacking you.

 

[superdoofus]

@Yautja So you actually like the development in Ojojojo, despite it contradicting what you implied about successful romances being able to strive without delving into non-romantic melodrama? You mention my remark about his "neglect" to his girlfriend, but you're reading so hard between the lines that you're inferring things I am not saying. That's incredibly petty.

And again, it's an unfortunate coincidence that he actually started neglecting his girlfriend for the sake of protecting her just now. I guess we're cursed, aren't we?