Kanaria wa Kiraboshi no Yume wo Miru - Ch. 5

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[PixelCrow12]

It was bound to happen but it didn't have to be this heartbreaking. Tsubaki was so close to finding some kind of meaning or something in her life and it all came crashing down...

And before anyone says anything, because there is 100% going to be someone like that, that bitch had no right to do that and she is not right. Nobody forced her to waste her fortune on a prostitute. She knew what Tsubaki was and she knew what she was doing and she did it anyways and now she accuses Tsubaki that it's her fault as if she stole her money away instead of just getting payed for doing her job. Despicable

 

[Ooshi_Somen]

i appreciate the history lesson at the end of every chapter

 

[Tcof]

And before anyone says anything, because there is 100% going to be someone like that, that bitch had no right to do that and she is not right. Nobody forced her to waste her fortune on a prostitute. She knew what Tsubaki was and she knew what she was doing and she did it anyways and now she accuses Tsubaki that it's her fault as if she stole her money away instead of just getting payed for doing her job. Despicable

are we reading the same manga here ? because the attempt of you whitewash Tsubaki action is insane.

The owner lady of the brothel or something, clearly said to her they gonna wring "every last cent out of them", and she was gonna doing so with Ayano too. and Tsubaki are still doing said job with no sign of her redeem yet.
And with the work experience and seduce skill, they know how to trick and manipulate people in. Look at how she purposely seduce and grooming Ayano. manipulate in play, especially using love and affection and trust, with ill intend to drain that woman of her money. At best they didn't do it illegal, but for sure scummy.

To you, that woman is a disposable character so you don't care what she going through, you only feel bad for Tsubaki, she is born into this and don't know better and groom into this life. Yes what about that poor woman who got tricked by her ? if Ayano going through the same thing and her family is destroyed, which is what they planed to do here, you also gonna say it is fair and it is Ayano fault, no one force her ?
While we could expect she actually fall grow to care for Ayano for real and don't do it cliché scenario, That woman unfortunately is not that lucky.


and you could also agure that woman also did nothing wrong. What she said is true, she is a prostitute, reason to called her, even if they not knowing each other, surely acceptable and agree by everyone have Tsubaki not left and the show go on.

 

[PixelCrow12]

because the attempt of you whitewash Tsubaki action is insane.

I didn't whitewash her actions?

Tsubaki are still doing said job with no sign of her redeem yet.

If you didn't see any sign of her redeem, than we are definitely not reading the same manga

To you, that woman is a disposable character so you don't care what she going through, you only feel bad for Tsubaki, she is born into this and don't know better and groom into this life. Yes what about that poor woman who got tricked by her ? if Ayano going through the same thing and her family is destroyed, which is what they planed to do here, you also gonna say it is fair and it is Ayano fault, no one force her ?

There is an inherent difference between the situation of that woman and Ayano. I'm not saying that Tsubaki is a good person by any stretch of the margin because yes, she does seduce people for their money, but that woman is a grown adult. It's not like she didn't know who Tsubaki was and what she was getting into. At what point does she stop being responsible for spending all her money on a prostitute? On the other hand Tsubaki is trying to manipulate Ayano but we also do know that that's not the only reason why she was doing what she was doing. It doesn't wash away the fact that Tsubaki was using her and Tsubaki will probably say to Ayano as such in the next chapter but the point is that it's not black and white.

At the end of the day, Tsubaki is also the victim here. She was a victim of society that rejected her (and still rejects her) because of the blood that runs through her veins and the way she looks and pushed her into prostitution where she was then groomed, used and probably abused and she has no way out

 

[North87]

are we reading the same manga here ? because the attempt of you whitewash Tsubaki action is insane.

The owner lady of the brothel or something, clearly said to her they gonna wring "every last scene out of them", and she was gonna doing so with Ayano too. and Tsubaki are still doing said job with no sign of her redeem yet.
And with the work experience and seduce skill, they know how to trick and manipulate people in. Look at how she purposely seduce and grooming Ayano. manipulate in play, especially using love and affection and trust, with ill intend to drain that woman of her money. At best they didn't do it illegal, but for sure scummy.

To you, that woman is a disposable character so you don't care what she going through, you only feel bad for Tsubaki, she is born into this and don't know better and groom into this life. Yes what about that poor woman who got tricked by her ? if Ayano going through the same thing and her family is destroyed, which is what they planed to do here, you also gonna say it is fair and it is Ayano fault, no one force her ?
While we could expect she actually fall grow to care for Ayano for real and don't do it cliché scenario, That woman unfortunately is not that lucky.


and you could also agure that woman also did nothing wrong. What she said is true, she is a prostitute, reason to called her, even if they not knowing each other, surely acceptable and agree by everyone have Tsubaki not left and the show go on.

Yeah, it’s likely she’s done this to many women - and possibly men, too. While she is a victim in some ways, she also causes suffering by making people fall for her, only to have them lose their livelihoods and hearts in the process. That’s no small sin.

Additionally, even though she’s starting to show signs of being transformed by the power of love, she still taunts the childhood friend about stealing her away. The wicked smile she had when she noticed her friend watching them says a lot. So, she’s not entirely bad or good; and she definitely has a darker side.

I still think it would be interesting if that woman turned out to be more than just a minor character, and if Tsubaki and Ayano weren’t the endgame. The story doesn’t have to follow the usual clichés.

 

[vixawi1793]

Are we forgetting that she is a prostitute and not some liar who strung people along? Patrons spent money on her knowing full well that she is a prostitute. Getting their money is part of her job so why the blame?

If she was hiding the fact that she was a prostitute and swindled money from people then I get the hate. But as far as we know that is not what happened. Everyone was aware of who she was when they spent lavishly on her.

Now that it's been revealed to Ayano and her mother, I wonder where this can go from here. The contest was Ayano's only connection to Tsubaki and I can't see any other way for them to interact more, unless Ayano go to their establishment of course. There's also the potential marriage engagement alluded to in a previous chapter.

 

[Tcof]

If you didn't see any sign of her redeem, than we are definitely not reading the same manga

Redeem where ? at best there are sign of her showing she feel something out of Ayano, she still doing her "job" here.
If you feel bad when killing baby, that not redeem. The villain not get redeem when they have flashback sob backstory, they got redeem when they changed their doing.

There is an inherent difference between the situation of that woman and Ayano. I'm not saying that Tsubaki is a good person by any stretch of the margin because yes, she does seduce people for their money, but that woman is a grown adult. It's not like she didn't know who Tsubaki was and what she was getting into. At what point does she stop being responsible for spending all her money on a prostitute? On the other hand Tsubaki is trying to manipulate Ayano but we also do know that that's not the only reason why she was doing what she was doing. It doesn't wash away the fact that Tsubaki was using her and Tsubaki will probably say to Ayano as such in the next chapter but the point is that it's not black and white.

At the end of the day, Tsubaki is also the victim here. She was a victim of society that rejected her (and still rejects her) because of the blood that runs through her veins and the way she looks and pushed her into prostitution where she was then groomed, used and probably abused and she has no way out

funny how you try to say Tsubaki is victim, while blame the woman for not knowing any better.
The woman is full grow woman ? people in ancient time is limited of knowledge of their time, she also is love woman and live in Japan, worse is it Japan in the past. So she is also victim of social, not only just for girl relationship but the pressure to marry at certain age.
She could be just like you think she saw she need to saved this girl, she spend money because if not the poor girl have to serve other bad customer. At what point does one have to responsible to their own action ? idk, but we know the woman do it out of love. And people is fool in love while scumbag who out to trick people, they know many way. Meanwhile Tsubaki know full well what they plan to do with their "prey", author literally spell it out by make them admit behind the show they gonna "drain they of their last money", she did it anyways and when they have no use anymore she just throw them away like trash with no remorse. At what point she need to responsible for her action ?

On the other hand Tsubaki is trying to manipulate Ayano but we also do know that that's not the only reason why she was doing what she was doing. It doesn't wash away the fact that Tsubaki was using her and Tsubaki will probably say to Ayano as such in the next chapter but the point is that it's not black and white.

There are no excuse, lamao. It is in fact black and white.

 

[Tcof]

Are we forgetting that she is a prostitute and not some liar who strung people along? Patrons spent money on her knowing full well that she is a prostitute. Getting their money is part of her job so why the blame?

If she was hiding the fact that she was a prostitute and swindled money from people then I get the hate. But as far as we know that is not what happened. Everyone was aware of who she was when they spent lavishly on her.

Now that it's been revealed to Ayano and her mother, I wonder where this can go from here. The contest was Ayano's only connection to Tsubaki and I can't see any other way for them to interact more, unless Ayano go to their establishment of course. There's also the potential marriage engagement alluded to in a previous chapter.

No way you see what they did with Ayano and think all they did just harmless prostitute, fair and square deal

 

[PixelCrow12]

Redeem where ? at best there are sign of her showing she feel something out of Ayano, she still doing her "job" here.
If you feel bad when killing baby, that not redeem. The villain not get redeem when they have flashback sob backstory, they got redeem when they changed their doing.

funny how you try to say Tsubaki is victim, while blame the woman for not knowing any better.
The woman is full grow woman ? people in ancient time is limited of knowledge of their time, she also is love woman and live in Japan, worse is it Japan in the past. So she is also victim of social, not only just for girl relationship but the pressure to marry at certain age.
She could be just like you think she saw she need to saved this girl, she spend money because if not the poor girl have to serve other bad customer. At what point does one have to responsible to their own action ? idk, but we know the woman do it out of love. And people is fool in love while scumbag who out to trick people, they know many way. Meanwhile Tsubaki know full well what they plan to do with their "prey", author literally spell it out by make them admit behind the show they gonna "drain they of their last money", she did it anyways and when they have no use anymore she just throw them away like trash with no remorse. At what point she need to responsible for her action ?

There are no excuse, lamao. It is in fact black and white.

You thinking that it is black and white tells me all I need to know. Cheers

 

[Hyacyon]

interesting... so this entire time they didn't know??????

also i love the little history tidbits at the end!! so interesting

 

[HiraOmnibus]

Personally it stretches my suspension of disbelief that an upper class women would accuse someone of being a prostitute like that during this time period, but it’s not like I'm an expert.

 

[recklessribbon]

Thanks for the translation! I really appreciate the contextual notes at the end as well!

 

[Irene-stan]

No way you see what they did with Ayano and think all they did just harmless prostitute, fair and square deal

I've no idea what you're talking about. Who did anything to Ayano here? Cause Tsubaki never tried to hide the fact that she's a prostitute, in fact one of the first things she told her was ''Will you buy me? How much can you offer to have me undress? Can you afford me?''. I'm pretty sure she made it as obvious as she knew how to that she was trying to seduce her for purely transactional purposes (and only much later did she begin to shift her behavior to a friendly treatment), it's really not her fault that while she's so precocious due to her upbringing, Ayano is extremely sheltered and innocent. Even the childhood friend was instantly suspicious of Tsubaki because of her outfits and demeanor, and the author made it a point to show Tsubaki turning people's heads on the street and the geishas in the red district all recognizing her: it was obvious to everyone except Ayano. And now that she knows it she probably won't even mind.

Edit: Now I understand why to root for Tsubaki: the childhood friend is getting annoying and overbearing real quick. It's one thing to want to protect your bestie but don't act like you get to tell Ayano what to do, she has enough of that with her mom.

 

[shittycoolusername69]

Personally it stretches my suspension of disbelief that an upper class women would accuse someone of being a prostitute like that during this time period, but it’s not like I'm an expert.

She used to be Tsubaki's client until she couldn't pay anymore. We don't really know if she was paying Tsubaki with her own savings or her husband's/family's money.

 

[Tcof]

You thinking that it is black and white tells me all I need to know. Cheers

Ah yes, "i did not whitewash her action". there are no grey on what she doing, period.

I've no idea what you're talking about. Who did anything to Ayano here? Cause Tsubaki never tried to hide the fact that she's a prostitute, in fact one of the first things she told her was ''Will you buy me? How much can you offer to have me undress? Can you afford me?'' I'm pretty sure she made it as obvious... .

Yes, she told Ayano to buy her, make their relationship into same what she did to her past customer. All of this could be just simple she doing her own thing in her freetime outside of her job. if that "friendly treatment" is really in good faith.
That is just changed the tactic according to the pray. The brothel owner lady told Tsubaki to hold to that young lady, with the full intent they try to drain her family of their money. They know what going on and what they did is full ill intend, it is not just prostitution deal in good faith. And Tsubaki ? she said yes, and go seduce Ayano while doing said "friendly treatment". They are playing the long game, and she still doing her "job". not just doing enjoy her own time outside of her job or shit like that. She still doing the brothel plan, with huge manipulate element at play, to an underage girl who she knowing full well how sheltered her is. With no sign of she not gonna do it behind the brothel back.
What are you doing to justified Tsubaki action is like a pedophile say an underage girl consent, or sell drug for kid. Honestly at best you can say Tsubaki is don't aware of how bad what she did and just do what she told. But your tactic is: because she not lie, she did nothing wrong. that is full of crap

 

[Irene-stan]

What are you doing to justified Tsubaki action is like a pedophile say an underage girl consent

You're straight up deranged for making such a gross false equivalence.

First, both girls are teenagers. Second, Tsubaki offered herself as a product but then settled for being a model. She also accepted the very little money that Ayano had from allowance, as opposed to the ''exploiting'' of this rich family you're attempting to victimize so terribly: Yes, she asked Ayano whether she could afford her but ultimately she didn't care at all that she wasn't getting enough money cause she found Ayano way more interesting than the pay. Third, the nature of geisha brothels more often than not is that of underage girls who have been quite literally sold to the owner; Tsubaki has currently absolutely zero choice other than to say ''yes ma'am'' to everything her owner tells her, even if she herself has different plans or ideas. We don't really know what her intentions are exactly, but it's heavily implied that she doesn't even know this herself.

It's just a little too absurd for me how you try so hard to paint this literal child slave as a heinous villain, when the author's drawings are showing us her exact thoughts in this last chapter, and how genuinely shocked and moved she was at the fact that for the first time in her life of knowing nothing but sexual exploitation and discrimination, she's being treated as a fellow japanese and an actual human being. If even after the author has explicitly presented you with proof that none of the words Tsubaki spoke to Ayano in this chapter were fake or manipulative, and even after the author makes it a point to for once reveal Tsubaki's real thoughts being those of belonging, awe and friendship, then you are quite simply refusing to read what's displayed right in front of you in favor of inventing an entirely different picture in your brain. Doesn't sound like a lot of fun but good luck with that, I guess.

 

[axelmania]

What an interesting turn, having Ayano and her mother both discover Tsubaki's status so quickly. The head of Tsubaki's house seemed to imply a long game manipulation that now seems difficult to have play out without at least a time skip to Ayano post-marriage and in more control of her life. I wonder if this will just be a very short series or if the plot will evolve. Thanks for the chapter and incredible work giving us all the context!

 

[hamberserk]

She exposed the scammer and now she’s the bad guy? Lmao you people kill me.

 

[hamberserk]

She exposed the scammer and now she’s the bad guy? Lmao you people kill me.

It’s not like I don’t feel bad for tsubaki she finally found the thing that makes her tick, gives her days meaning but that doesn’t excuse her of her previous actions, forced by her superior and circumstances or not, hope she learned her lesson and reforms