Kanojo ni Naru Hi - Vol. 4 Ch. 20
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This was really good not gonna lie
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Pretty good end but things take a very fucking weird turn there in a lot of fucking ways asexual parthenogenesis ? All this bullshit research drama useless ? Kidnappings ? Emergence black market dealer or whatever ? Bro he aint kidding you know if that was possible governments would treat humans like rats for research.
The last couple chapters were meh and weird, Miyoshi was tolerable at best, this really should have ended at the wedding or just a chapter with the kid after.
Still the beginning 8-10 chapters are great, the Emergence thing is very interesting, the whole male to female psychological changes it brings was very interesting, and Mamiya was very interesting in learning to accept herself as a female and all that it entailed especially how while she likes to be seen as a female she also retains a certain level of discomfort when shes told not to do things cuz shes female, she also jumps from being logical minded like a man to just a bundle of emotions like a woman, again interesting, the mother issues i could have done without though.
Not exactly a 1 for 1 allegory about transgenders but it brings up some of the same issues i guess in a pretty tasteful way, aside from the cousin that was a fucking horrible chapter, i mean yeah i get that some people think its disgusting and all, and it truly feels like hes talking about transgenders so that character was too disgusting, at least have him be just ignorant but willing to change his mind when he sees shes just like any regular girl, not just a completely ignorant piece of human trash thats close minded and petty.
Sorry for that rant at the end anyways all im saying is i like it but the author focused on useless shit, 10 chapters would have been enough still 8/10 really enjoyed.
Cmon i wasnt the only one uncomfortable with the Emergence name cuz it brings flashbacks of you know what right? Cmon you know it, 177013.
The last couple chapters were meh and weird, Miyoshi was tolerable at best, this really should have ended at the wedding or just a chapter with the kid after.
Still the beginning 8-10 chapters are great, the Emergence thing is very interesting, the whole male to female psychological changes it brings was very interesting, and Mamiya was very interesting in learning to accept herself as a female and all that it entailed especially how while she likes to be seen as a female she also retains a certain level of discomfort when shes told not to do things cuz shes female, she also jumps from being logical minded like a man to just a bundle of emotions like a woman, again interesting, the mother issues i could have done without though.
Not exactly a 1 for 1 allegory about transgenders but it brings up some of the same issues i guess in a pretty tasteful way, aside from the cousin that was a fucking horrible chapter, i mean yeah i get that some people think its disgusting and all, and it truly feels like hes talking about transgenders so that character was too disgusting, at least have him be just ignorant but willing to change his mind when he sees shes just like any regular girl, not just a completely ignorant piece of human trash thats close minded and petty.
Sorry for that rant at the end anyways all im saying is i like it but the author focused on useless shit, 10 chapters would have been enough still 8/10 really enjoyed.
Cmon i wasnt the only one uncomfortable with the Emergence name cuz it brings flashbacks of you know what right? Cmon you know it, 177013.
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@JustCallMeDaBoss tbh I kinda find it weird they have such issue considering its a thing since the start of Human history it should have been a common occurance for cavemen to have a male in the group to turn into female and they maybe have an orgy with that female(just like a clownfish) idk their offspring seems to be superior so They’d be considered more of a sex symbol with how animals will always aim to have offspring with someone with superior genes and having babies with them will result in superior offspring. Tribes that value them more are probably be more advance than those that don’t and in turn future society kindom and empires.
Tbh they shouldnt even call it a disorder because its part of their evolutionary trait.
Tbh they shouldnt even call it a disorder because its part of their evolutionary trait.
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Yeah bro but you see thatd just make too much sense and humans arent beings that move based on sense or logic, more like their emotions and feelings, especially negative ones.
You think if some people that had superior genes and could start reproducing by themselves appeared theyd be treated right ? Theyd probably all mysteriously disappear and the majority of the retarded masses would be trying to fuck them over cuz most people act based on fear.
Smarter, more attractive and more athletic people suddenly appearing? Truly the best decision Miyoshi made aside from going after Mamiya of course was to keep the whole thing a secret and destroy everything about the research.
It brings up the same type of dilemmas as eugenics, there would be a chosen few and the masses could for the most part would never catch up to them, lol welp very complicated topics arise from this like those blessed few always being ahead of their lessers but thats a whole bunch of other stuff.
Thered always be this fear of this clearly superior humans being able to grow by themselves and then theres the average Joe that will always just be average.
Clearly for us to advance the superior humans should take over but .... well yeah thatd mean most average people would have to go lol "am i such a great person that i can stand next to them?" thatd probably be what most would think, arrive at the answer of "no" and then be mad at the unfairness of the roulette that are our genes and take out that anger on them, disgusting and very true human nature.
Yeah bro but you see thatd just make too much sense and humans arent beings that move based on sense or logic, more like their emotions and feelings, especially negative ones.
You think if some people that had superior genes and could start reproducing by themselves appeared theyd be treated right ? Theyd probably all mysteriously disappear and the majority of the retarded masses would be trying to fuck them over cuz most people act based on fear.
Smarter, more attractive and more athletic people suddenly appearing? Truly the best decision Miyoshi made aside from going after Mamiya of course was to keep the whole thing a secret and destroy everything about the research.
It brings up the same type of dilemmas as eugenics, there would be a chosen few and the masses could for the most part would never catch up to them, lol welp very complicated topics arise from this like those blessed few always being ahead of their lessers but thats a whole bunch of other stuff.
Thered always be this fear of this clearly superior humans being able to grow by themselves and then theres the average Joe that will always just be average.
Clearly for us to advance the superior humans should take over but .... well yeah thatd mean most average people would have to go lol "am i such a great person that i can stand next to them?" thatd probably be what most would think, arrive at the answer of "no" and then be mad at the unfairness of the roulette that are our genes and take out that anger on them, disgusting and very true human nature.
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@JustCallMeDaBoss That idea will only really happen when emergence occured after humans build society like middle ages and has already set culture(though certain places might be more accepting) but if emergence occured during tribal eras cavemen and maybe up until those cultures with multiple gods they’s probably treat them as sort of divine beings and will be intigrated inside their own culture cause prehistoric human care about is food and making babies so if you make good babies you’d be treated with respect as long as you are born in the tribe they tend to kill people outside their own tribes and that culture will carry over I do want to know their history and how different myths and legends would turn out cause again I feel like they will be treated with more respect like maybe because they can make human babies with out a partner they will be part of the creation story and be considered similar to mother earth who brought life to all humans
Maybe their myths and legend will be more similar to the FATE series with all the genderbent servants lol
I mean I do like their world building but if you think about how different their actual history is if this type of thing is normal since the dawn of time the world building doesnt really make sense. Though the research part i do understand it’s just recently humans are able to map human genome so obviously progress in the research of emergence would have a break through in modern times.
Maybe their myths and legend will be more similar to the FATE series with all the genderbent servants lol
I mean I do like their world building but if you think about how different their actual history is if this type of thing is normal since the dawn of time the world building doesnt really make sense. Though the research part i do understand it’s just recently humans are able to map human genome so obviously progress in the research of emergence would have a break through in modern times.
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1) From what I understand, a male-to-female emergence at 17 years old is rare. Most emergence happens during childhood. It was mentioned in the early chapters. That's why a lot of pple were shocked when Mamiya emerge during high school.
"...for cavemen to have a male in the group to turn into female and they maybe have an orgy with that female (just like a clownfish)" --> this sentence gave me the impression that you were thinking of e.g. 5 men sitting around in a cave, the last of their tribe coz some disasters killed off all the people who were born females, then poof! One of the men became a woman after 'emerging' from a cocoon, then the men have orgy with the woman. But emergence is supposed to happen during childhood. I'm not even sure there would be polyandry.
Throughout human history, polyandry is not common because it doesn't make as much biological sense as polygamy. In polygamy, the man can put the buns in as many ovens as possible simultaneously, but in polyandry, no matter how many husbands, there is only one oven. Societies that practiced polyandry were either (a) matriarchal, so the husbands (through 'walking marriage') aren't recognised as fathers, and the kids were raised by the brothers of the kids' mom, or (b) Fraternal polyandry, in which a woman is married to two or more men who are brothers, mainly for the purpose of not splitting family land to unsustainable small plots.
May be the strongest man ended up marrying/staking claim to/impregnating the "emerged" woman, and any genetic superiority was half (or almost entirely) attributed to that strongest man.
Sure, 'emerged' women might have been treated well during tribal era due to necessity, but to be treated as divine beings... I don't think so.
2) As you said, "it’s just recently humans are able to map human genome". So most probably don't realise that some of the babies of "emerged" women weren't fathered by any men. Rats have really short lifespan but humans develop over long periods of time and prove their superiority through different ways (e.g. book smarts vs better muscles vs better intuition). During tribal era, infant mortality was incredibly high, so it's possible a lot of intelligent babies born from "emerged" woman died before other people noticed they have bigger brains.
So by the time people are able to observe that descendants of "emerged" women are genetically superior indeed, may be it was only during renaissance and the whole 'envy against genetically superior people' culture already developed, making the intellectual descendants hide their identities.
1) From what I understand, a male-to-female emergence at 17 years old is rare. Most emergence happens during childhood. It was mentioned in the early chapters. That's why a lot of pple were shocked when Mamiya emerge during high school.
"...for cavemen to have a male in the group to turn into female and they maybe have an orgy with that female (just like a clownfish)" --> this sentence gave me the impression that you were thinking of e.g. 5 men sitting around in a cave, the last of their tribe coz some disasters killed off all the people who were born females, then poof! One of the men became a woman after 'emerging' from a cocoon, then the men have orgy with the woman. But emergence is supposed to happen during childhood. I'm not even sure there would be polyandry.
Throughout human history, polyandry is not common because it doesn't make as much biological sense as polygamy. In polygamy, the man can put the buns in as many ovens as possible simultaneously, but in polyandry, no matter how many husbands, there is only one oven. Societies that practiced polyandry were either (a) matriarchal, so the husbands (through 'walking marriage') aren't recognised as fathers, and the kids were raised by the brothers of the kids' mom, or (b) Fraternal polyandry, in which a woman is married to two or more men who are brothers, mainly for the purpose of not splitting family land to unsustainable small plots.
May be the strongest man ended up marrying/staking claim to/impregnating the "emerged" woman, and any genetic superiority was half (or almost entirely) attributed to that strongest man.
Sure, 'emerged' women might have been treated well during tribal era due to necessity, but to be treated as divine beings... I don't think so.
2) As you said, "it’s just recently humans are able to map human genome". So most probably don't realise that some of the babies of "emerged" women weren't fathered by any men. Rats have really short lifespan but humans develop over long periods of time and prove their superiority through different ways (e.g. book smarts vs better muscles vs better intuition). During tribal era, infant mortality was incredibly high, so it's possible a lot of intelligent babies born from "emerged" woman died before other people noticed they have bigger brains.
So by the time people are able to observe that descendants of "emerged" women are genetically superior indeed, may be it was only during renaissance and the whole 'envy against genetically superior people' culture already developed, making the intellectual descendants hide their identities.
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Had some weird tangents, and the whole ripping the research papers shtick made zero sense, but was a pleasant read.
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