Kanojo, Okarishimasu - Vol. 8 Ch. 61 - The Girlfriend, Chizuru Ichinose 6
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Like this.
This guy is still an annoying fucking cunt. Maybe one day he'll grow a pair and dispel the numerous fucking lies he has created surrounding Mizuhara, Mami, and Ruka, as well as grow a fucking pair and stop back pedaling the moment anything significant happens. Maybe he'll also quit being a stereotypical "herbivore man" and idealization of the cuckold in NTR manga. One chapter where he's not a total fucking loser doesn't rectify 60 where he is.
Like this.
This guy is still an annoying fucking cunt. Maybe one day he'll grow a pair and dispel the numerous fucking lies he has created surrounding Mizuhara, Mami, and Ruka, as well as grow a fucking pair and stop back pedaling the moment anything significant happens. Maybe he'll also quit being a stereotypical "herbivore man" and idealization of the cuckold in NTR manga. One chapter where he's not a total fucking loser doesn't rectify 60 where he is.
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That's a connection I didn't see. So correct me if I'm wrong, Mami is essentially saying "If I can't be happily dating, Neither can you" or "I won't allow you to be happy before me" ?
If I'm correct in understanding you, then she just seems to be an overwhelmingly petty woman who the author is using to be the main "Villain" against the MC.
I was hoping she was just trying to get some sort of twisted sense of personal justice. Just to try and find some reason for me to like her, but man it feels impossible with this turn of events.
That's a connection I didn't see. So correct me if I'm wrong, Mami is essentially saying "If I can't be happily dating, Neither can you" or "I won't allow you to be happy before me" ?
If I'm correct in understanding you, then she just seems to be an overwhelmingly petty woman who the author is using to be the main "Villain" against the MC.
I was hoping she was just trying to get some sort of twisted sense of personal justice. Just to try and find some reason for me to like her, but man it feels impossible with this turn of events.
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It's funny you say things that way Yautja.
There's a manga called "Tsuyuki-san Hasn't Been Rejected" that's about a guy who is completely the opposite of our MC here.
This guy is honest and straight forward about who he likes, even confessing right to the girl in Chapter 1. The funny thing is that people STILL hate him for that exact reason and calls him the stereotypical [insert cliche] MC. I honestly don't get it.
I get the feeling there is no pleasing people in romance manga's unless the MC is literally "Batman Alpha Male" in his dealings with people or Mr.Smooth getting every woman that looks his way.
It's funny you say things that way Yautja.
There's a manga called "Tsuyuki-san Hasn't Been Rejected" that's about a guy who is completely the opposite of our MC here.
This guy is honest and straight forward about who he likes, even confessing right to the girl in Chapter 1. The funny thing is that people STILL hate him for that exact reason and calls him the stereotypical [insert cliche] MC. I honestly don't get it.
I get the feeling there is no pleasing people in romance manga's unless the MC is literally "Batman Alpha Male" in his dealings with people or Mr.Smooth getting every woman that looks his way.
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God, that stalking bitch Mami is going to end as a school shooter with that behaviour.
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Let them be, they just want their ideal self character lmao.
Also Mami always gave off that crazy bitch feeling, remember the very first things she did the few times she met the MC after they break up?
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Let them be, they just want their ideal self character lmao.
Also Mami always gave off that crazy bitch feeling, remember the very first things she did the few times she met the MC after they break up?
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There is no perfect character or characteristics, and I certainly wouldn't want the exact opposite of this douchebag. It's not even about one or two characteristics, but a culmination. The opposite of this loser could also be a total fuckin' creep who is way to damn honest and never takes no for an answer, constantly talking about who he wants to bang and how. I'm pretty damn sure there are characters like that who are hated just as much. What people want is someone realistic, interesting and balanced. Doesn't have to a perfect alpha or a nice shy guy with a heart of gold. Just a character that you'd actually care about or be interested in if they existed, whether you like them or not. This guy isn't interesting and is someone I'd want to punch in the face and then forget about.
And people hate cliches characters because they aren't even characters. They're one or two characteristics with a name and a generic appearance, who behave exactly as you'd expect and that we may have seen a million times. Look at Tsuki Ga Kirei. Dude is pretty damn normal and everyone fucking loved that guy because he felt like an interesting, and real guy. He didn't follow some predictable and boring script. And yes, there is pleasing people, obviously not everyone, but it won't happen often because there is a lot more average or bad manga than good or great, and right now, average ain't good. It's like average education in American. Yea there are quite a few standouts but a lot of it ain't too pretty.
What makes a good or interesting character is such a goddamn complex topic that no one could explain in a few paragraphs, it's just to complex with too many rules and exceptions. Maybe there's some genius out there who could break all this down in a couple paragraphs but it ain't me and I doubt many people would be able to follow it.
All that said and done, I'll try and check that manga out and maybe I'll run into you again and give my 2 cents.
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Oh yea, thank bro, not sure if that's what I had in mind but if I can find access to all chapters, I'll try and check it out.
There is no perfect character or characteristics, and I certainly wouldn't want the exact opposite of this douchebag. It's not even about one or two characteristics, but a culmination. The opposite of this loser could also be a total fuckin' creep who is way to damn honest and never takes no for an answer, constantly talking about who he wants to bang and how. I'm pretty damn sure there are characters like that who are hated just as much. What people want is someone realistic, interesting and balanced. Doesn't have to a perfect alpha or a nice shy guy with a heart of gold. Just a character that you'd actually care about or be interested in if they existed, whether you like them or not. This guy isn't interesting and is someone I'd want to punch in the face and then forget about.
And people hate cliches characters because they aren't even characters. They're one or two characteristics with a name and a generic appearance, who behave exactly as you'd expect and that we may have seen a million times. Look at Tsuki Ga Kirei. Dude is pretty damn normal and everyone fucking loved that guy because he felt like an interesting, and real guy. He didn't follow some predictable and boring script. And yes, there is pleasing people, obviously not everyone, but it won't happen often because there is a lot more average or bad manga than good or great, and right now, average ain't good. It's like average education in American. Yea there are quite a few standouts but a lot of it ain't too pretty.
What makes a good or interesting character is such a goddamn complex topic that no one could explain in a few paragraphs, it's just to complex with too many rules and exceptions. Maybe there's some genius out there who could break all this down in a couple paragraphs but it ain't me and I doubt many people would be able to follow it.
All that said and done, I'll try and check that manga out and maybe I'll run into you again and give my 2 cents.
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Oh yea, thank bro, not sure if that's what I had in mind but if I can find access to all chapters, I'll try and check it out.
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@Sh4dey I believe Mami's way of thinking is not simply about "If I can't be happily dating, Neither can you" or "I won't allow you to be happy before me" since her revenge doesn't necessarily revolve around her own happiness but more about taking it away from someone, in this case, MC. I'll explain in a bit about that, but first, we need to remember some things. We need to start on the bar episodes, in these chapters, Mami pretty much badmouthed the MC in front of their mutual friends and only once said something about Chizuru, which ended with Kazuya defending her but not himself. From there it all proceeds to the one on one talk about them getting together. We will come back to this later, now unto the beach arc is one if not the first instance where we see a glimpse of the real personality of Mami, why I say that is because, in this scene (the first ep of the beach arc, I think) we see Mami alone and posting online, in said messages she questions whether her ex-BF is trying to get back at her by getting a new GF so quickly, then proceeds to misremember Chizuru's name, following it up with her writing that the MC sided with Chizuru and finally stating she will make sure they break up (insecurities and revenge developing). From this point onwards, I will explain her way of thinking of "you can't be happy".
Mami, in the beginning, is not just seeking revenge against the MC, but she is also trying to restore her own image as the perfect girl, and it all comes down to the bar episode where her own sense of insecurity comes to the surface and preys on the MC and Chizuru by badmouthing them, here we can see her purpose, not necessarily to humiliate the MC but to salvage herself as an end result. This is further touched upon with her actions of wanting to get back together (probably to dump him immediately after), and later to dismiss and ignore the MC, those were the ways she was using to solve her insecurities and to take it out on MC and Chizuru. Hereupon, her quest for taking the MC's happiness away obviates restoring her own public image and threads to satiate her insecurities through means of revenge. The last bit explains why her own happiness doesn't matter in the revenge plot since it is also confirmed when we don't hear or see her dating anyone but instead, she is stalking, bidding her time and "planning" against the main characters. Finally, her pettiness and want for revenge comes down to the point of prodding both Kazuya and Chizuru about their relationship and taking joy of having learned their secret and knowing she could take them down anytime, that's why she plays and seems happy on the date with Chizuru and angry when she sees a purse on Kazuya's apartment after not finding him, she probably expected him to be grovelling and depressed after leaving them alone days later from the date with Chizuru.
Mami, in the beginning, is not just seeking revenge against the MC, but she is also trying to restore her own image as the perfect girl, and it all comes down to the bar episode where her own sense of insecurity comes to the surface and preys on the MC and Chizuru by badmouthing them, here we can see her purpose, not necessarily to humiliate the MC but to salvage herself as an end result. This is further touched upon with her actions of wanting to get back together (probably to dump him immediately after), and later to dismiss and ignore the MC, those were the ways she was using to solve her insecurities and to take it out on MC and Chizuru. Hereupon, her quest for taking the MC's happiness away obviates restoring her own public image and threads to satiate her insecurities through means of revenge. The last bit explains why her own happiness doesn't matter in the revenge plot since it is also confirmed when we don't hear or see her dating anyone but instead, she is stalking, bidding her time and "planning" against the main characters. Finally, her pettiness and want for revenge comes down to the point of prodding both Kazuya and Chizuru about their relationship and taking joy of having learned their secret and knowing she could take them down anytime, that's why she plays and seems happy on the date with Chizuru and angry when she sees a purse on Kazuya's apartment after not finding him, she probably expected him to be grovelling and depressed after leaving them alone days later from the date with Chizuru.
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I don't understand what Mami is trying to do at all, from the very start.
She clearly doesn't attracted to MC, yet dated him in the past. When it's all over she started giving one or two fucks for MC. She doesn't like MC being happy but targets women around him with a roundabout way. Why bother, Mami? It's all over for you and him.
Author really should have use another conflict for his manga because this type of conflict is not appealing.
She clearly doesn't attracted to MC, yet dated him in the past. When it's all over she started giving one or two fucks for MC. She doesn't like MC being happy but targets women around him with a roundabout way. Why bother, Mami? It's all over for you and him.
Author really should have use another conflict for his manga because this type of conflict is not appealing.
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mami seems to be a mentally ill creep and the mc has some character issues, but all in all, this manga has improved tremendously from its horrid first dozen chapters.
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