Kimi Tonara, Ashita o Utaeruno - Ch. 2 - Are You a Witch or a Magician?

[LilyPeep]

There comes a point where a character is so spineless that i start to lose any sympathy for them, and I think the MC achieved that. You can't help those that don't want to help themselves or something along those lines.
Thankfully, It seems she's done a complete 180 and grew a spine, so hopefully it stays like that. Not sure why she abruptly changed her outlook now though, and not when she caught her friend red-handed last chapter. I get Terada forced her to by making it public so she couldn't pretend to not know, but her entire world view seemed to change.

 

[faaresemo]

It's a realistic way of seeing life. You can't be too much of anything. If you let people disrespect you over and over with a smile on your face, that's is not a form of strenght, but comformation. Thinking others won't find a way to take advantage of that character flaw is just naive. How can you expect others to respect you since you can't even respect yourself?

it's may be a realistic way of seeing life, but it's not a realistic expectation for teenagers to understand that
how would I even notice it's a character flaw. the naivety doesn't start with thinking no one would take advantage of it, it's 5 steps back up the logic chain where I don't even realize conflict avoidance is a trait that I have

could I push back? could I call then out on it? sure, but it doesn't seem worth the effort to deal with the fallout. so I laugh it off. it's not me thinking it of a strength, it's me mistakenly thinking the status quo is comfy

I don't expect them to respect me for being a doormat. my peers never respected me in the first place, why would they start now? respect seems to be a meaningless currency anyways, I just want things to hurry up and be over so I can go home

I'm not gonna realize how fucked up this all is for another 8 years. it's my first time dealing with depression afterall, and I still don't know that depression is a thing. I'm a naive little teenager that's convinced I'll die before the age of 23

but I'll eventually make it that far and then some. I'll start learning about myself. I'll meet true and loving friends that can teach me to respect myself

and then someday I'll run into some jaded internet stranger getting all preachy about a fictional character who reminds me of my teenage self. they'll insist that too much kindness is weakness and that allowing myself to be disrespected is confirming that they're in the right

something will crack
I'll go on a diatribe
in a sense I'll end up proving them right, but it will feel poetic

so sure, point for you. no more smile. step the fuck off
happy now?

those of us that have gone through suicidal thoughts have dealt with enough shit, we dont need you getting our asses indirectly like this

if whether we agree with your trite is irrelevant, than don't come back, don't hit that reply button. simply come in, leave your opinion, and piss off. if you feel the need to defend that opinion than whether we agree is in fact relevant and maybe you should open your ears before you die on your pathetic hill

ugh, this doesn't even feel cathartic I should've kept the smile on

 

[GLFanatic]

it's may be a realistic way of seeing life, but it's not a realistic expectation for teenagers to understand that
how would I even notice it's a character flaw. the naivety doesn't start with thinking no one would take advantage of it, it's 5 steps back up the logic chain where I don't even realize conflict avoidance is a trait that I have

could I push back? could I call then out on it? sure, but it doesn't seem worth the effort to deal with the fallout. so I laugh it off. it's not me thinking it of a strength, it's me mistakenly thinking the status quo is comfy

I don't expect them to respect me for being a doormat. my peers never respected me in the first place, why would they start now? respect seems to be a meaningless currency anyways, I just want things to hurry up and be over so I can go home

I'm not gonna realize how fucked up this all is for another 8 years. it's my first time dealing with depression afterall, and I still don't know that depression is a thing. I'm a naive little teenager that's convinced I'll die before the age of 23

but I'll eventually make it that far and then some. I'll start learning about myself. I'll meet true and loving friends that can teach me to respect myself

and then someday I'll run into some jaded internet stranger getting all preachy about a fictional character who reminds me of my teenage self. they'll insist that too much kindness is weakness and that allowing myself to be disrespected is confirming that they're in the right

something will crack
I'll go on a diatribe
in a sense I'll end up proving them right, but it will feel poetic

so sure, point for you. no more smile. step the fuck off
happy now?

those of us that have gone through suicidal thoughts have dealt with enough shit, we dont need you getting our asses indirectly like this

if whether we agree with your trite is irrelevant, than don't come back, don't hit that reply button. simply come in, leave your opinion, and piss off. if you feel the need to defend that opinion than whether we agree is in fact relevant and maybe you should open your ears before you die on your pathetic hill

ugh, this doesn't even feel cathartic I should've kept the smile on

You are kidding, right? The notion and sense of self-respect is something I understood very well at her age. Só was everyone in my childhood as well. At that age we know well about betrayal and abuse. Its is not an advanced epiphany of human behaviour. Its common sense. Yes, some have more than others, but we all share a certain amount of it.

About your suicidal thoughts? Welcome to the club. Been battling It for over a decade. The things I loved doing lost the appeal, sleeping became an escape, you don't start things with the fear of getting hurt, you always feel like you are not enough. Sounds familiar? Yeah, but here is the thing: Even while waiting to die, I never let people trample me. I already have my own mind trying to devour my sense of self from the inside out. I don't need some external factor to make it worse. I'm so busy dealing with my inner demons, I don't have time for others' bullshit.

Too much kindness is a weakness. Everything in excess is a form of unbalance, therefore It is weakness. Find a common ground, a midterm, for Christ sake. You'll never heal If you don't. You have the right to a valid crash out, to get angry with those who wronged you. Putting a smile through everything will fuck you up much worse than being alone in the long run. I hate her character so much because she falls into the lie that you can only find happyness in the validation of others. There is no bigger lie than that. You can be surrounded by people and still feel like the loniest person in the world. Learn to love yourself ir at least try to. Will It be easy? No. But life being a bitch is nothing new.

In summary. Stop being so weak. A comment section is not only for you to read what you like or is conveninent to you. If you can't take a different opinion, you shouldnt even be here.

 

[UdenEmpati]

In summary. Stop being so weak. A comment section is not only for you to read what you like or is conveninent to you. If you can't take a different opinion, you shouldnt even be here.

It's telling that you're being this combative over something like opinions in a comment section.

For all your "I'm allowed to have my opinions on this character", you're strangely hostile toward anyone who dissents from your subjective take on how people should behave.

But maybe that's just me expecting more self-awareness from someone going to the lengths you have to express your dissatisfaction with a title that you also can't seem to simply walk away from.

 

[GLFanatic]

It's telling that you're being this combative over something like opinions in a comment section.

For all your "I'm allowed to have my opinions on this character", you're strangely hostile toward anyone who dissents from your subjective take on how people should behave.

But maybe that's just me expecting more self-awareness from someone going to the lengths you have to express your dissatisfaction with a title that you also can't seem to simply walk away from.

If you paid attention, (which you clearly didn't) I only began being hostile after the last guy was hostile to me. Before that, we were all having a discussion, vehemently but still a discussion. We were disagreeing, yes, but I'm not the one who started the name calling. Don't start the fire If you can't take the smoke. You can also walk away from this discussion yourself, but you are still replying, aren't you? So, yeah... The hipocrate pot calling the kettle back. And I will walk away from the story if I see no change on her character as I said I would. If you have an issue with that, that's irrelevant to me. And I will share my view about it either you like it or not. Because you liking it or not, again: It is also IRRELEVANT. Now we can go back to discussing as vehemently as we want, or go back to the name-calling. It's all the same to me...

 

[MelonManic]

Right off the bat, it ain't that simple I loike that

We gotta show her happiness is more important than others happiness, being the ultimate people's pleaser is an actual flaws cause it puts others happiness way beyond your own, your allowed to be happy mc

I wanna slap you both, one is extremely stubborn and the other doesn't know what the fuck she's doing which makes sense I suppose no one's been in this position before, but you need another route mate
I wanna punch that bitch as friend and boyfriend more though, and fuse their head with the pavement, rip out his spine doom style

First lap? This is at least your second lap and your still appealing to reason? Ya shoulda started with the exposed plan

Oh what pit of hell did y'all pull shit slander out of? Someone explain to me the issue cause this some bullshit

Have a nice day, I'm nicer than is seems

 

[thewomanliest]

You're complaining about what I suspect is a character's main trait/onus for the plot after two chapters of story, that's likely withholding full context for why she is the way she is, in order to more fully establish the narrative and mystery of why the second main came back in time to "save" her.

I agree that no work is above criticism, but you're effectively making a snap judgment about a character before we've gotten their story and development and acting like she just exists that way in a vacuum and that it won't be addressed by the author as part of her character arc.

Like, sure, be mad about the way someone is acting, that's your prerogative - but at least give the author some credit that the characters are written this way intentionally as they relate to the story.

Shitting on the character here and now and simply writing her off before we learn why she's like this strikes me as silly, though.

Thank you for this!! Not sure what's up with the lack of reading comprehension in this thread.. I think she's a perfectly fine character.

I can see how people might find her spineless and be irritated by it, but it's clear the story is building up to an explanation for why she behaves this way. And we've already gotten a little bit of a grasp on why, seeing how she was treated when she was younger, she definitely has self-esteem issues. In the future as well, we see her harming herself, and Hinata mentions how she's depressed. Of course she isn't gonna have the will to break up with her boyfriend over cheating, the potential fallout is too much for her to bear. She's clearly very sensitive about other people's perspectives of her, and maintaining her character as the "kind Yuzuki" that "everyone loves." Which is valid given, again, the way she overhoard people talking about her in her youth. Childhood experiences can be very damaging, and I'm sure what we've seen so far is only a fraction of it.

 

[UdenEmpati]

If you paid attention, (which you clearly didn't) I only began being hostile after the last guy was hostile to me. Before that, we were all having a discussion, vehemently but still a discussion. We were disagreeing, yes, but I'm not the one who started the name calling. Don't start the fire If you can't take the smoke. You can also walk away from this discussion yourself, but you are still replying, aren't you? So, yeah... The hipocrate pot calling the kettle back. And I will walk away from the story if I see no change on her character as I said I would. If you have an issue with that, that's irrelevant to me. And I will share my view about it either you like it or not. Because you liking it or not, again: It is also IRRELEVANT. Now we can go back to discussing as vehemently as we want, or go back to the name-calling. It's all the same to me...

Nah, you're not worth the time beyond this response.

Enjoy being mad about a character with a clearly story-relevant flaw like it's some sort of personal affront to you and your clearly superior sensibilities on what's allowed when it comes to writing characters and narratives.

And not for nothing - but it's "hypocrite". I'd at least assume you'd be able to spell if you're going to be so critical of the literary capacity of others.

 

[GLFanatic]

Nah, you're not worth the time beyond this response.

Enjoy being mad about a character with a clearly story-relevant flaw like it's some sort of personal affront to you and your clearly superior sensibilities on what's allowed when it comes to writing characters and narratives.

And not for nothing - but it's "hypocrite". I'd at least assume you'd be able to spell if you're going to be so critical of the literary capacity of others.

Yeah, I'm Brazilian... If the best you can do in an argument is criticize my grammar in a language that is not my first, then I agree, you really should't reply anymore to try and save some face...

And how naive you must be to think you'll go through a comment section believing you'll only read opinions you'll like or agree with? No character or story is free from criticism.

So, I'll say to you the same I did to the other guy. Stop being so weak...

You can do whatever you want. A comment section is made for discussions, after all.