Kimi wa Yotsuba no Clover - Ch. 36 - Motive

[Tinker_OwO]

Everyone in this series so angry, they all just wanna kill each other

They should make out freaky style instead

 

[pandatime]

yeah come to think of it
She must looked rly silly out of context trying to revesre time on her watch

 

[Macrosis2020]

Ok... I'm dropping a new theory that includes spoilers for following chapters, do not fucking read unless you want to get spoiled hard

Spoiler: Soooo...

we'll find out soon what happened to yotsuha when she moved away, how much of a shitty life she had and how her mom was a piece of shit that leaves uichi's dad like a saint, but also we'll learn that she got really sick, a heart condition iirc, I had been wondering what could uichi had done to warrant a vengeance through space and time that made someone try to destroy his soul and make him kill himself, but... What if it's yotsuha the one who dies later in the story from straining herself too much saving him? Then clover (whoever he or she is) just blamed uichi and killed him in the past creating an infinite time loop? Uichi dies -> yotsuha saves him-> uichi survives -> yotsuha dies -> clover swears revenge -> uichi dies... and we're back at the beginning

This theory doesn’t make sense, alongside the “Clover is Yotsuha” theory, because of one single detail that Clover doesn’t know Yotsuha’s time travel mechanism until now. The “Clover is Yotsuha” theory is automatically ruled out because she must have known about the wristwatch, and this theory is ruled out because Clover’s motive requires him to know the time travel mechanisms inside and out.

We now know the reason Yotsuha and the mastermind both use the Clover symbolism, and it’s because both of their motives are revenge, not because Yotsuha is Clover. You guys can stop overthinking (or rather, underthinking).

 

[danbellucci]

It's future Uichi, and the person he's trying to get revenge on isn't actually Uichi, he's just trying to torment his past self in order to draw out the person that he really wants to get revenge on , future-Yotsuha

 

[Travisun]

Binging this during the day felt like I was torturing myself a little.

 

[misopogon]

Guessing the revenge is on Yotsuha

 

[Devil2475]

Yep, this psychology is above my head, but who cares? This is the best.

 

[davidna]

I heard someone say that the clover was the guy Uichi saved from bullying or something.

 

[Graywing]

Wow, the plot thickens. Thanks for the chapter!!!

 

[unfilteredjw]

Is this Clover guy a retard. Literally every single person in the world knows a Four leafed clover specifically represents good luck.
I don't even care about his evil plans I want him killed for fucking up flower language that bad.

You drop these clown shoes back there?

 

[Xelarion]

Thank you for the TL.
Next time, on "Reasons not to become a Time Traveler", we'll probably get told exactly who's going to be the Clover.


This is out of left field, but...
It's probably the Dad from another timeline. Seems like a unreasonable bet.

For the people blessed enough to be able to read the raws, please do not spoil this for us.

 

[AnimuVsMango]

yotsuba knows

YOTSUBA KNOWS

Wonder what the end is about, and whose perspective it's from. The figure certainly looks like Uichi, but the text is censored.

All that being said, if Yotsuba really is Yotsuha from the hyper-future, wouldn't she know that she uses the wristwatch to time travel already? Or did they use different methods to do so? I mean, surely Yotsuba had to have some inkling Yotsuha could time leap considering how often her plans got messed up by her.

 

[betetta]

This theory doesn’t make sense, alongside the “Clover is Yotsuha” theory, because of one single detail that Clover doesn’t know Yotsuha’s time travel mechanism until now. The “Clover is Yotsuha” theory is automatically ruled out because she must have known about the wristwatch, and this theory is ruled out because Clover’s motive requires him to know the time travel mechanisms inside and out.

We now know the reason Yotsuha and the mastermind both use the Clover symbolism, and it’s because both of their motives are revenge, not because Yotsuha is Clover. You guys can stop overthinking (or rather, underthinking).

Not a single page or panel in any chapter says that clover doesn't know about time travel or that has done it in the same way or similar as yotsuha did... None.

In fact in this very same chapter it's a clue to the contrary.

 

[ChaosMAX1268]

Funny how Eito likes to claim his victims are "his good friends" yet in the current timeline we see how easy he drops the facade and goes on a hate rant on Uichi the moment Uichi refuses to play with the facade and tries to attack him and Yotsuba when Yotsuba breaks his flaccid ego. If he treats "friends" like punching backs, wonder what he treats his enemies like. Hope he is kicked out of his home after his bullying past is outed by the internet, bitch deserves it.

Edit: Also, funny how on the posts where he shows pictures of his bullying of Uichi, there is no text on them, let alone any that call Uichi a "friend". So much for his bogus claims, get dunked on bro.

 

[ChaosMAX1268]

Not a single page or panel in any chapter says that clover doesn't know about time travel or that has done it in the same way or similar as yotsuha did... None.

In fact in this very same chapter it's a clue to the contrary.

The only issue with the Yotsuba is Clover theory or the similar Fuu is Clover theory is age. Yes, Clover may be a time traveler and may be acting older than they actually are, but going with the known rules of the pocket watch (which presumably applies to all time travel methods in the setting) the user will reverse their physical age upon rewind and age with the rest of the timeline. (The Yotsuba theory is also disproven as so far as there is no indication of any method of someone from an alternative timeline being able to go into a new timeline, since all Yotsuba does is rewind the timeline, not travel to an alternative timeline).

Considering how Clover talks to Uichi's sister and Uichi sister doesn't seem to notice that Clover "sounds younger or order than she believed they were." This hints that Clover may be around her age range rather than Uichi and co's (somewhere around college level). This also makes sense since Clover has full internet access by the time Uichi's sister was a middle schooler and Uichi and co were elementary schoolers.

If Clover was Uichi and co's age, they would be a kid in the single digits, who will likely be supervised and have limited internet access by their parents (unless they may be some of the most lax and lenient parents ever or Clover somehow bypassed these restrictions to message Uichi's sister anyways). Clover being a teen makes it more likely they would have been able to message Uichi's sister to sabotage his family from within.

 

[jojoka]

https://andplants.jp/blogs/magazine/clover_hanakotoba#chapter-8

四つ葉のクローバーには「幸運」や「私を思って」という花言葉のほかに、「復讐」という怖い花言葉があります。
In addition to the flower language of "good luck" and "think of me," four-leaf clovers also have the scary language of "revenge."

https://www.latelita.com/blogs/news/what-is-the-meaning-of-the-four-leaved-clover
https://wallflowerstudiogarden.com/2019/03/13/clover/

So this is some Japanese made up bullshit lol like how blood types is horoscopes to them lmfao
Of course the Japanese decide the flower that across the world represents good luck and hope had to also mean revenge

 

[betetta]

The only issue with the Yotsuba is Clover theory or the similar Fuu is Clover theory is age. Yes, Clover may be a time traveler and may be acting older than they actually are, but going with the known rules of the pocket watch (which presumably applies to all time travel methods in the setting) the user will reverse their physical age upon rewind and age with the rest of the timeline. (The Yotsuba theory is also disproven as so far as there is no indication of any method of someone from an alternative timeline being able to go into a new timeline, since all Yotsuba does is rewind the timeline, not travel to an alternative timeline).

Considering how Clover talks to Uichi's sister and Uichi sister doesn't seem to notice that Clover "sounds younger or order than she believed they were." This hints that Clover may be around her age range rather than Uichi and co's (somewhere around college level). This also makes sense since Clover has full internet access by the time Uichi's sister was a middle schooler and Uichi and co were elementary schoolers.

If Clover was Uichi and co's age, they would be a kid in the single digits, who will likely be supervised and have limited internet access by their parents (unless they may be some of the most lax and lenient parents ever or Clover somehow bypassed these restrictions to message Uichi's sister anyways). Clover being a teen makes it more likely they would have been able to message Uichi's sister to sabotage his family from within.

The thing is that clover messaged utako more than 5 years ago according to fuu's findings, which will put the beggining of his vengeance plan at uichi's childhood, around the same time yotsuha moved.

So what did this 10 year old kid do at that age that was so heinous for someone to go and find his inner circle and manipulate them for years to cause his suicide?

It's much more likely ironically (since we're in a time travel Manga) that whatever he did to earn that hate happened later in his life, most likely in the "present" of the story since it seems significant, by harming someone and causing them or a third person to seek that revenge using the same link that later also allowed yotsuha to do it too, and my humble theory would make everything even more twisted

And no... My main suspect is actually someone older than either uichi or yotsuba, I have 2 suspects actually and both are older, but also there is physical age and mind age at play, for example yotsuba is older than her current age (in her mind) due to regressing so many Times

 

[Macrosis2020]

Not a single page or panel in any chapter says that clover doesn't know about time travel or that has done it in the same way or similar as yotsuha did... None.

In fact in this very same chapter it's a clue to the contrary.

Note how Clover took notice of the fact that it’s a wristwatch as if it’s new information. My entire point is that Clover doesn’t seem to know the MECHANISM of Yotsuha’s time travel (she uses a wristwatch). This wouldn’t make sense if it’s Yotsuha herself, or if it’s someone whose motive requires them to know exactly how the time travel works and what it costs Yotsuha.

 

[ChaosMAX1268]

The thing is that clover messaged utako more than 5 years ago according to fuu's findings, which will put the beggining of his vengeance plan at uichi's childhood, around the same time yotsuha moved.

So what did this 10 year old kid do at that age that was so heinous for someone to go and find his inner circle and manipulate them for years to cause his suicide?

It's much more likely ironically (since we're in a time travel Manga) that whatever he did to earn that hate happened later in his life, most likely in the "present" of the story since it seems significant, by harming someone and causing them or a third person to seek that revenge using the same link that later also allowed yotsuha to do it too, and my humble theory would make everything even more twisted

And no... My main suspect is actually someone older than either uichi or yotsuba, I have 2 suspects actually and both are older, but also there is physical age and mind age at play, for example yotsuba is older than her current age (in her mind) due to regressing so many Times

Which 2?

 

[Koichi_Hirose_The_Goat]

Thanks for The Chapter
Bro this cap was insane, why does mv need revenge with uichi, i need more