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@NinjaGoemon pretty sure after this chapter the one she has some feelings for is Kobayashi
Kobayashi-san Chi no Maid Dragon - Vol. 11 Ch. 103 - Elma and Love Talk
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Am I the only one not seeing the whole Elma loving Tohru thing? I highly doubt that's why she's apologizing for. Also Cool is much more on the nose with shipping and isn't subtle at all so I doubt Elma has any secret feelings for Tohru. Now that I think about it I don't think Elma loves anyone really. Cool mainly explained why Elma is alone than who she loves. She more likely apologized because she knows that something is about to happen and she feels bad because she knows Kobayashi trusts her so much
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Kobayashi growing a "thing" (I actually dont think she really became a man, more likely just grew that extra thing, but they treat it the same way) definitely gave her a more forced perspective of what sexual attraction is like, but that's more of a hormone thing. Her romantic development has been a lot more subtle compared to that. I like to seperate the two, because Cool-sensei is a pervert who always has to be excessive on the fanservice, but when it comes to emotions or real feelings he surprisingly gets it right mostly. Imo Kobayashi just in general had a low sex drive and her mentality of feeling inadequate as a woman led to her not pursuing romance at all, which is the reason she never figured out she is les/bi.
Well, that's the best explanation to me anyway. Being hormone overdosed into directly being sexually attracted may have helped.
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I'm not exactly expecting a comedy author to be 100% up to par with yuri authors naturally, so the heteronormative phrasing is just par for the course.. But I think the emotional attachment that seems to be turning into romantic affection from Kobayashi's side are standing pretty strong on their own. The dragons are easy, because he just made them bisexual omnivores, but to make Kobayashi's acceptance of her feelings believable was way harder. The chapter where she confessed last volume was definitely the best step forward. The genderbending stuff is just an extra. At least that's how I can look past that awkward expression of sexual attraction.
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If we just look at this chapter in isolation I may have seen your point, but that's impossible with how the last volume went. All these Elma chapters drew a pretty clear picture, especially chapter 96. You may be right that Elma knows something will happen soon and that she is apologetic because of that, but Elma having feelings for Tooru is not somehow mutually exclusive from that. Sure, this chapter probably foreshadowed the next conflict, but at the same time the topic of romance was super prevalent here and it points at Elma not having an interest in forming a deep bond with humans (remember it was said Elma distrusts humans almost more than Tooru ever did because they used her). She just views this entire human world thing as a short blip on her radar. She has always been surprisingly okay with Kobayashi making sexual advances on her (even if she just imagined them)l, but it was more like "If it has to be a human, Kobayashi might be fine".
The only person she is really close to and who can stay at her side is Tooru and the fact that she was so flustered when Kobayashi suggested they travel together is super suspicious. It seems to me like Elma views it as cheating.
Kobayashi growing a "thing" (I actually dont think she really became a man, more likely just grew that extra thing, but they treat it the same way) definitely gave her a more forced perspective of what sexual attraction is like, but that's more of a hormone thing. Her romantic development has been a lot more subtle compared to that. I like to seperate the two, because Cool-sensei is a pervert who always has to be excessive on the fanservice, but when it comes to emotions or real feelings he surprisingly gets it right mostly. Imo Kobayashi just in general had a low sex drive and her mentality of feeling inadequate as a woman led to her not pursuing romance at all, which is the reason she never figured out she is les/bi.
Well, that's the best explanation to me anyway. Being hormone overdosed into directly being sexually attracted may have helped.
@JoonLegacy
I'm not exactly expecting a comedy author to be 100% up to par with yuri authors naturally, so the heteronormative phrasing is just par for the course.. But I think the emotional attachment that seems to be turning into romantic affection from Kobayashi's side are standing pretty strong on their own. The dragons are easy, because he just made them bisexual omnivores, but to make Kobayashi's acceptance of her feelings believable was way harder. The chapter where she confessed last volume was definitely the best step forward. The genderbending stuff is just an extra. At least that's how I can look past that awkward expression of sexual attraction.
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If we just look at this chapter in isolation I may have seen your point, but that's impossible with how the last volume went. All these Elma chapters drew a pretty clear picture, especially chapter 96. You may be right that Elma knows something will happen soon and that she is apologetic because of that, but Elma having feelings for Tooru is not somehow mutually exclusive from that. Sure, this chapter probably foreshadowed the next conflict, but at the same time the topic of romance was super prevalent here and it points at Elma not having an interest in forming a deep bond with humans (remember it was said Elma distrusts humans almost more than Tooru ever did because they used her). She just views this entire human world thing as a short blip on her radar. She has always been surprisingly okay with Kobayashi making sexual advances on her (even if she just imagined them)l, but it was more like "If it has to be a human, Kobayashi might be fine".
The only person she is really close to and who can stay at her side is Tooru and the fact that she was so flustered when Kobayashi suggested they travel together is super suspicious. It seems to me like Elma views it as cheating.
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@BugDemon the problem with that logic is that why would Elma view that as cheating yet have no problems making sexual passes at Kobayashi? It doesn't make much sense, especially since Elma has been alone with Tohru before and never once seemed to feel bad stealing time with Tohru away from Kobayashi. Add to the fact that Kobayashi gave Elma her blessing and I don't see why she would view it as cheating.
This chapter was more about Elma's look on the worldview rather than her having feelings for Tohru. If anything Elma seemed more worried about Kobayashi not being an outdoor person and how being away from Tohru would make Tohru feel more than her own feelings. Idk I just feel like while Elma is ship teased with both of them there's not any real romance or attraction from her to either of them. It would feel forced and out of nowhere. Elma and Tohru always had that Sanji and Zoro you tick me off but you're my friend and I respect you vibe to me. It'd be pointless to change that, especially when we're just now exploring Kobayashi's feelings for Tohru.
Also if you think Cool is bad with fanservice wait until the next chapter. As someone who hates Iruru and Lucoa as well as their live interests (not really Shouta's fault I don't like him in the story but Cool's fetish) its definitely my least favorite.
This chapter was more about Elma's look on the worldview rather than her having feelings for Tohru. If anything Elma seemed more worried about Kobayashi not being an outdoor person and how being away from Tohru would make Tohru feel more than her own feelings. Idk I just feel like while Elma is ship teased with both of them there's not any real romance or attraction from her to either of them. It would feel forced and out of nowhere. Elma and Tohru always had that Sanji and Zoro you tick me off but you're my friend and I respect you vibe to me. It'd be pointless to change that, especially when we're just now exploring Kobayashi's feelings for Tohru.
Also if you think Cool is bad with fanservice wait until the next chapter. As someone who hates Iruru and Lucoa as well as their live interests (not really Shouta's fault I don't like him in the story but Cool's fetish) its definitely my least favorite.
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@Moneymike1995
That's the thing, Elma doesn't make sexual moves towards Kobayashi. She is entirely passive with her. She often misinterprets Kobayashi's words as advances. All Elma really says is "If it's you then it's fine I guess". Compared to how she pursues Tooru it's not even similar. So if Kobayashi were to ask her for it, then Elma isnt actively doing anything, but if she was to be alone with Tooru far away from Kobayashi and did something, that would be entirely because of Elma's feelings. Do you not understand the difference? Kobayashi cheating on Tooru is Kobayashi's decision. Elma making her feelings known and monopolizing Tooru is Elma's decision. Kobayashi's blessing is exactly the reason why Elma reacted so shocked and asked if she is sure about that. What other explanation can you possibly make up for her reaction? Her telling Kobayashi to come along was obviously a guilty conscious choice, a safety line.
The fact that you think it would be out of nowhere shows me that you didnt pay attention and it explains why you view this chapter so superficially. Ever since Elma admitted that she wanted to regain her friendship with Tooru and they made up, things have changed drastically between them. You are blatantly ignoring Tooru's reaction in chapter 96. Tooru herself has already been aware of Elma's feelings before you did it seems. It's possible that this is all a big misunderstanding, but the claim that a romantic attraction from Elma would come out of nowhere is false.
Your one-sided views seem to flow into everything else as well. There is plenty of good to Lucoa, Iruru and Shouta. They've all contributed their fair share and expanded the world. The fanservice is shit, but that doesnt mean the characters are bad. Seems a lot of people cant seperate that.
That's the thing, Elma doesn't make sexual moves towards Kobayashi. She is entirely passive with her. She often misinterprets Kobayashi's words as advances. All Elma really says is "If it's you then it's fine I guess". Compared to how she pursues Tooru it's not even similar. So if Kobayashi were to ask her for it, then Elma isnt actively doing anything, but if she was to be alone with Tooru far away from Kobayashi and did something, that would be entirely because of Elma's feelings. Do you not understand the difference? Kobayashi cheating on Tooru is Kobayashi's decision. Elma making her feelings known and monopolizing Tooru is Elma's decision. Kobayashi's blessing is exactly the reason why Elma reacted so shocked and asked if she is sure about that. What other explanation can you possibly make up for her reaction? Her telling Kobayashi to come along was obviously a guilty conscious choice, a safety line.
The fact that you think it would be out of nowhere shows me that you didnt pay attention and it explains why you view this chapter so superficially. Ever since Elma admitted that she wanted to regain her friendship with Tooru and they made up, things have changed drastically between them. You are blatantly ignoring Tooru's reaction in chapter 96. Tooru herself has already been aware of Elma's feelings before you did it seems. It's possible that this is all a big misunderstanding, but the claim that a romantic attraction from Elma would come out of nowhere is false.
Your one-sided views seem to flow into everything else as well. There is plenty of good to Lucoa, Iruru and Shouta. They've all contributed their fair share and expanded the world. The fanservice is shit, but that doesnt mean the characters are bad. Seems a lot of people cant seperate that.
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@BugDemon umm the beach chapter literally had Tohru and Elma shoving their boobs in Kobayashi's face asking her who's she likes more so your point there doesn't work. Also Elma has never shown signs of wanting to do something with Tohru. I'm not sure where you're getting this idea from. Elma has never made advancements of wanting to touch Tohru sexuall or has shown signs that if they were alone she would. You sound like someone that reads way too many fanfics and is such a big Elma fan that you're making shit up to make her become more relevant to the overall plot. I'm done talking you you. Your dumb comments is making my head hurt
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You mean the part where Tooru literally said "Let's have a contest" before they did that? You know how Elma acts when she duels Tooru. That wasn't something Elma did on her own lol
Doing something with Tooru? I dont know what you mean by that. Unless you are refering to going on a journey all alone between them where stuff can happen, in which case yes, Elma has already said she wants to go back on her journey eventually and that she was happiest when Tooru was with her. I havent even said anything about sexual advancements at all. I only said Elma seems to have romantic feelings for Tooru. You still didnt explain her reaction in this chapter or Tooru's reaction in chapter 96. Probably because you cant.
Wow... way to become really pathetic at the end there. The topic and coming arc are about Elma and you have the audacity to claim I'm trying to push Elma into anything? That's like saying I'm a Kanna fanatic, because I discussed her feelings towards her dad during her arc. Weirdo.
You mean the part where Tooru literally said "Let's have a contest" before they did that? You know how Elma acts when she duels Tooru. That wasn't something Elma did on her own lol
Doing something with Tooru? I dont know what you mean by that. Unless you are refering to going on a journey all alone between them where stuff can happen, in which case yes, Elma has already said she wants to go back on her journey eventually and that she was happiest when Tooru was with her. I havent even said anything about sexual advancements at all. I only said Elma seems to have romantic feelings for Tooru. You still didnt explain her reaction in this chapter or Tooru's reaction in chapter 96. Probably because you cant.
Wow... way to become really pathetic at the end there. The topic and coming arc are about Elma and you have the audacity to claim I'm trying to push Elma into anything? That's like saying I'm a Kanna fanatic, because I discussed her feelings towards her dad during her arc. Weirdo.
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@Moneymike1995 That you aren't embarrassed in the slightest at the hipocrisy of your words is honestly the most impressive thing about you. The only "insult" I used was weirdo . And I said you are acting pathetic, because you started insulting me and projecting delusional motivations on me. And then you follow it up by insulting me more and telling me not to pretend I know the author's plans? You are exactly what you now decry.
Was it too much to ask that you actually support your flimsy arguments about Elma rather than just assert them as fact? At the very least I was open to the possibility that I'm wrong, because I cant predict the future. All I defended is that there has been more than enough set-up for Elma to have feelings for Tooru and clearly intentionally so. Whether Cool-sensei did this to mislead us or really will work with it is up to him.
If you were on Dynasty I sure am glad that I dont remember you. You don't seem worth talking to. And so I won't from this point forward. Bye.
Was it too much to ask that you actually support your flimsy arguments about Elma rather than just assert them as fact? At the very least I was open to the possibility that I'm wrong, because I cant predict the future. All I defended is that there has been more than enough set-up for Elma to have feelings for Tooru and clearly intentionally so. Whether Cool-sensei did this to mislead us or really will work with it is up to him.
If you were on Dynasty I sure am glad that I dont remember you. You don't seem worth talking to. And so I won't from this point forward. Bye.
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Also calling my views "one sided" was clearly your attempt at insulting me and saying I lack the ability to see this bigger picture that can clearly see. Get off your high horse. No one liked you then so you ran here and you're still the same unlikable lover.
Also learn what hypocrisy means. I never claimed to be above insulting you and I'm only doing so now because you insulted me. I'm not being a hypocrite for insulting you I'm just being an asshole to an asshole.
Also calling my views "one sided" was clearly your attempt at insulting me and saying I lack the ability to see this bigger picture that can clearly see. Get off your high horse. No one liked you then so you ran here and you're still the same unlikable lover.
Also learn what hypocrisy means. I never claimed to be above insulting you and I'm only doing so now because you insulted me. I'm not being a hypocrite for insulting you I'm just being an asshole to an asshole.
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typo on page 11
you meant point not poing
Also drama is gonna happen since it was foreshadowed before. Cause cool is fucking stuck on doesn't know how to continue a series.
Or draw.
you meant point not poing
Also drama is gonna happen since it was foreshadowed before. Cause cool is fucking stuck on doesn't know how to continue a series.
Or draw.
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aromantic elma possibly????
could we finally get recognition?????
edit: so okay i just read some comments and it's probably more likely elma likes tohru so uhhhh fuck
could we finally get recognition?????
edit: so okay i just read some comments and it's probably more likely elma likes tohru so uhhhh fuck
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