Koi to Yobu ni wa Sasayaka desuga - Vol. 1 Ch. 6

[Beroroneko]

Hoshino is an ass and we will not be working with him again - Gaben

Shanghai Major memes in 2026 feelsoldman

 

[pachingching]

why the fuck are people just doing this "prince" and "queen" bullshit. when I was high school the pretty boys are just normal part of the boys and participates with normal activities like playing hoops and throwing hands.

 

[rizakatsudon]

only princely behavior I'm seeing from this Hoshino "prince" guy is how entitled he is 🤮
check yourself, dude

 

[Beatrice]

Oh no, he's great. An obnoxious dumbass who owns it with high energy and sincerity. He didn't even try to take it somewhere private to get an advantage, and took the initiative to air out his emotions and humiliations in front of everyone. A lot of people talk about how love interests suck because of a lack of communication and confrontation for dozens of chapters, but this guy did both in his introduction. His innocence and assertiveness are refreshing, for better and worse.

The cherry on top is that even his posse knows when to tardwrangle him (find friends like that). Love or hate him, but these types are always the life of the party. Aya has it right and I'm rooting for this entitled boyfailure prince.

 

[UdenEmpati]

Oh no, he's great. An obnoxious dumbass who owns it with high energy and sincerity. He didn't even try to take it somewhere private to get an advantage, and took the initiative to air out his emotions and humiliations in front of everyone. A lot of people talk about how love interests suck because of a lack of communication and confrontation for dozens of chapters, but this guy did both in his introduction. His innocence and assertiveness are refreshing, for better and worse.

The cherry on top is that even his posse knows when to tardwrangle him (find friends like that). Love or hate him, but these types are always the life of the party. Aya has it right and I'm rooting for this entitled boyfailure prince.

He's a fantastic character and I think a neat addition to add more depth to this series.

A few other readers raising their hackles over his initial behavior is whatever; I hope he sticks around and becomes a part of the core (or major secondary) cast.

 

[MrSergio]

Lmao that went faster than I expected. Anyways am I the only one getting tired of the ice queen cliche. Why is it that quiet or aloof girl characters get some cool impression but if it’s the guy character, he becomes the loner

I'd say you probably are, because the ice queen cliche was simply used as a premise and we're shown in this same chapter how that impression came to be. Not to mention, in this same chapter (again) Umi tries to break free from that mold.
If it's any consolation, the author takes this further and clearly shows big changes in Umi in chapter 7 (which we got the raws for just a few hours ago)

 

[FGRayz]

u know what i dont mind them to be couple it would be interesting he is not bad person either just a bit ego

 

[UdenEmpati]

Can't really understand why is she the one getting told to make an effort for a creepy ass retard. Just tell him to fuck off. Nobody is entitled to your time or friendship.

....who told her to "make an effort"? I've read it back through twice, and I saw no one say that to her.

She herself wanted to make more of an effort talking to and interacting with others, which is why she agreed to at least hear Hoshino out--and she still rejected his confession at the end.

Yeah, he's conceited and pushy, but he also got shot down like three times and all his group even treat him like a hyperactive toddler more than anything else.

He's not entitled to her friendship, sure, but this was literally his introduction to the story and he's shown to be justified in his behavior given how everyone nnot named Umi treated him up to this point. Now that they've squared things (sort of) between them, his character's been established and he can start growing from here as a person.

Just weird seeing people acting like Umi was forced into this by others when it's been her whole desire this whole time to connect with her classmates.

 

[agmyintmyatoo]

I would rather prefer Shimizu over this new guy.

 

[rmremail]

I want to get angry at this immature kid...but then I remember we all were like him in the past...and shiver runs down my spine...

p.s. physical removal of him from the hallway was actually pretty good

I just found a photograph of my grandfather as a 26 year old, trying to look cool & suave, his shirt half unbuttoned, as he sits nervously next to his father-in-law.
Who was a doctor.
And did NOT approve of him.
My grandfather's expression is priceless - he looks like a complete dork.

 

[Dzrian]

I'd say you probably are, because the ice queen cliche was simply used as a premise and we're shown in this same chapter how that impression came to be. Not to mention, in this same chapter (again) Umi tries to break free from that mold.
If it's any consolation, the author takes this further and clearly shows big changes in Umi in chapter 7 (which we got the raws for just a few hours ago)

You’re misunderstanding somethings. You do know what a cliche means, right? You’re telling me I might be the only one tired of it just because this story simply used the cliche and your explanation was… the cliche itself…
Other than that, I’m not that confident but I’m pretty sure a premise is the overarching story—which is the evolving dynamics between our ml and fl’s relationship after reuniting. The cliche is just a trope.
Perhaps I’ve been reading far too many mangas…

 

[Oculunus]

This Hoshino guy lives in a romance manga and Umi is the only one with some common sense there. "I don't even know him" - Exactly! Looking at you, most average romances out there.
I do like how the cast is expanding

 

[UdenEmpati]

You’re misunderstanding somethings. You do know what a cliche means, right? You’re telling me I might be the only one tired of it just because this story simply used the cliche and your explanation was… the cliche itself…
Other than that, I’m not that confident but I’m pretty sure a premise is the overarching story—which is the evolving dynamics between our ml and fl’s relationship after reuniting. The cliche is just a trope.
Perhaps I’ve been reading far too many mangas…

I'd still say you're probably in the minority, at least where Umi is concerned here.

The gimmick was short-lived and tied directly into her personal character impetus of wanting to connect to her classmates more.

Her reputation was the result of a random (for her) encounter that left no impression for Umi, but gave everyone else the idea that she was some aloof unflappable person who even their "resident prince" couldn't get to. The reality, we see, is nothing of the sort, and Umi has already shed some of the title that others foisted upon her. But it was an excuse for her to be awkward at first, and then start the process of opening up and connecting to others who cared enough to learn the truth.

Usually, the "Ice Queen" only reveals her true nature to the romantic counterpart. Here, the (ostensible) Co-Lead already knows how she is; everyone else is learning the truth, this time around, and becoming friends with her. So there's your "cliche" already being subverted.

Beyond that, every time I've seen a male lead be a loner like you've criticized has been in some generic/mid quality 'wish fulfillment' type story meant to cater to boys' fantasy where they end up with the school beauty (or a harem) doing the bare minimum. The "Ice Queen" is usually not the protagonist, and is just the pinnacle of the school's social caste that represents the target of the ML's romance goals.

They fill different roles, and cater to different audiences. Comparing them is kinda pointless, in that regard.

You can be tired of it, sure. But my personal advice then is to read different genres, then, because you tend to only run into that particular dynamic in these school-aged romcom series.

 

[crash147]

Narcissistic prick

 

[Dzrian]

I'd still say you're probably in the minority, at least where Umi is concerned here.

The gimmick was short-lived and tied directly into her personal character impetus of wanting to connect to her classmates more.

Her reputation was the result of a random (for her) encounter that left no impression for Umi, but gave everyone else the idea that she was some aloof unflappable person who even their "resident prince" couldn't get to. The reality, we see, is nothing of the sort, and Umi has already shed some of the title that others foisted upon her. But it was an excuse for her to be awkward at first, and then start the process of opening up and connecting to others who cared enough to learn the truth.

Usually, the "Ice Queen" only reveals her true nature to the romantic counterpart. Here, the (ostensible) Co-Lead already knows how she is; everyone else is learning the truth, this time around, and becoming friends with her. So there's your "cliche" already being subverted.

Beyond that, every time I've seen a male lead be a loner like you've criticized has been in some generic/mid quality 'wish fulfillment' type story meant to cater to boys' fantasy where they end up with the school beauty (or a harem) doing the bare minimum. The "Ice Queen" is usually not the protagonist, and is just the pinnacle of the school's social caste that represents the target of the ML's romance goals.

They fill different roles, and cater to different audiences. Comparing them is kinda pointless, in that regard.

You can be tired of it, sure. But my personal advice then is to read different genres, then, because you tend to only run into that particular dynamic in these school-aged romcom series.

You are explaining why the cliche happens in the story, but explaining the mechanics of a cliche doesn't make it any less of a cliche.

You mentioned her reputation came from a random encounter and everyone else foisted the title on her. That isn't a subversion, it is a minor tweak on the standard blueprint for modern 'Ice Queen' or 'Kuudere' tropes. Authors often use the 'accidental misunderstanding' narrative. It's built into the formula. (And this starting is quite common.)

The idea that she opens up to a whole group instead of just the male lead is also a massive, established staple in modern slice-of-life and rom-coms. Changing the audience from one person to four people doesn't change the underlying predictable pattern of the 'defrosting' arc.

Even If the Ice Queen persona is just a gimmick, it was used as just another a narrative shorthand because of how it starts so simply. It just gave you a, ‘the cliche starts like this,’ then transitions into the story as usual(of which the main part of this trope I’m actually fine with.)

The virgin/loner mc cliche is equivalent because even if they cater to different audiences, they serve the exact same structural purpose. Both cliches are predictable, archetypes used by authors to create instant, character conflicts. (On the contrary, even ‘The Angel Next Door’ is built upon a similar trope, but this one was indeed its premise, and people don’t think of this as mid quality.)

Telling me to 'just read another genre if I’m tired of it' basically admits that this formula is in a lot school rom-coms/sol. I know it's there, but not all have it, it’s not mandatory. God forbid I find a good manga but get told off because of cliches.

My original point was simply that I’m tired of seeing the exact same blueprint used to build these characters, no matter how much the author tries to justify it with an backstory. Personally, what’s cringe to me is not how the trope goes, it’s how the trope starts. Hence, I mentioned about the impression.

It sounds unnecessarily defensive over this specific manga when my point was about the writing cliché as a whole. I never said this manga was trash; I said the way the Ice Queen formula gets started itself is tiring. Listing every detail of Umi's backstory, again, doesn't change the fact that the author is using said blueprint. You don't need to protect the series from a structural critique by telling me to leave the genre. I’m quite enjoying this manga. The replies sound like some sort of defensive misunderstanding.



tldr:
I said it was quick for the cliche and often tired of how it starts.

The replies: Explains the cliche and that it was short. Kinda defensive for this manga specifically by elevating the impression of the story.


Conclusion:
So it’s basically what I said. With added unnecessary defense because you’re trying to use just this manga specifically as your point, but it doesn’t change what a cliche means. I’m giving the benefit of doubt that it’s a misunderstanding where you think I’m criticising this manga specifically. Because it wasn’t and that’s is why, no offense, it’s not that deep. Really.

 

[UdenEmpati]

You are explaining why the cliche happens in the story, but explaining the mechanics of a cliche doesn't make it any less of a cliche.

You mentioned her reputation came from a random encounter and everyone else foisted the title on her. That isn't a subversion, it is a minor tweak on the standard blueprint for modern 'Ice Queen' or 'Kuudere' tropes. Authors often use the 'accidental misunderstanding' narrative. It's built into the formula. (And this starting is quite common.)

The idea that she opens up to a whole group instead of just the male lead is also a massive, established staple in modern slice-of-life and rom-coms. Changing the audience from one person to four people doesn't change the underlying predictable pattern of the 'defrosting' arc.

Even If the Ice Queen persona is just a gimmick, it was used as just another a narrative shorthand because of how it starts so simply. It just gave you a, ‘the cliche starts like this,’ then transitions into the story as usual(of which the main part of this trope I’m actually fine with.)

The virgin/loner mc cliche is equivalent because even if they cater to different audiences, they serve the exact same structural purpose. Both cliches are predictable, archetypes used by authors to create instant, character conflicts. (On the contrary, even ‘The Angel Next Door’ is built upon a similar trope, but this one was indeed its premise, and people don’t think of this as mid quality.)

Telling me to 'just read another genre if I’m tired of it' basically admits that this formula is in a lot school rom-coms/sol. I know it's there, but not all have it, it’s not mandatory. God forbid I find a good manga but get told off because of cliches.

My original point was simply that I’m tired of seeing the exact same blueprint used to build these characters, no matter how much the author tries to justify it with an backstory. Personally, what’s cringe to me is not how the trope goes, it’s how the trope starts. Hence, I mentioned about the impression.

It sounds unnecessarily defensive over this specific manga when my point was about the writing cliché as a whole. I never said this manga was trash; I said the way the Ice Queen formula gets started itself is tiring. Listing every detail of Umi's backstory, again, doesn't change the fact that the author is using said blueprint. You don't need to protect the series from a structural critique by telling me to leave the genre. I’m quite enjoying this manga. The replies sound like some sort of defensive misunderstanding.



tldr:
I said it was quick for the cliche and often tired of how it starts.

The replies: Explains the cliche and that it was short. Kinda defensive for this manga specifically by elevating the impression of the story.


Conclusion:
So it’s basically what I said. With added unnecessary defense because you’re trying to use just this manga specifically as your point, but it doesn’t change what a cliche means. I’m giving the benefit of doubt that it’s a misunderstanding where you think I’m criticising this manga specifically. Because it wasn’t and that’s is why, no offense, it’s not that deep. Really.

Honestly, writing it out to this extent explains your original point far better than your initial quip about clichés and their place in the genre.

I would still say that even as foundational shorthand to establish the characters and the dynamics is...well, it's a story element, and it'll never go away, whether used well or poorly.

But I understand your criticisms about it more clearly now, and I do apologize for coming off antagonistic; too often people make complaints but come off as speaking from a shallow viewpoint or a place of not quite understanding the elements of storytelling--and I unfairly painted you with that same brush before.

I do still think it works for Umi in this specific situation, but I get what you mean in the general and genre-wide sense, and my opinion here and now is exactly that--my personal subjective take based on how I am interpreting the character and narrative.

 

[Dzrian]

Honestly, writing it out to this extent explains your original point far better than your initial quip about clichés and their place in the genre.

I would still say that even as foundational shorthand to establish the characters and the dynamics is...well, it's a story element, and it'll never go away, whether used well or poorly.

But I understand your criticisms about it more clearly now, and I do apologize for coming off antagonistic; too often people make complaints but come off as speaking from a shallow viewpoint or a place of not quite understanding the elements of storytelling--and I unfairly painted you with that same brush before.

I do still think it works for Umi in this specific situation, but I get what you mean in the general and genre-wide sense, and my opinion here and now is exactly that--my personal subjective take based on how I am interpreting the character and narrative.

Yeah lmao, I’m glad that’s cleared. I was worried my long reply would have been off putting since it seems many people would rather mock a wall of text than take it seriously. Initially, I did refer to how quick this part of the trope went by but I wanted to stay, ‘unserious’ because as seen in my previous replies, I tend to write a lot. And I do get how it plays for Umi because it’s even hinted or foreshadowed in the first chapter.

Thank you for your understanding, I appreciate that. It’s been a while since I’ve met someone online who doesn’t try to double down on a mismatched exchange so I’m bookmarking this. I can now turn on power saving mode for my brain again.