Koroshiya Yametai - Vol. 3 Ch. 27

[MangaDex]

 

[shemper]

Thank you for your work!

 

[Saon]

Ohoho, things are getting more serious than I gave them credit!

Thank you for such frequent and quality updates!

 

[Chizan]

Church was the core of evil all along? /surprised pikachu face

 

[Penthero]

If you can’t buy weapons you make them instead!

Guess one spy is gonna have to disappear.

 

[pab101]

Thanks for the chapter.

 

[miglouche]

Church was the core of evil all along? /surprised pikachu face

The church's guys aren't the baddies, neither are babylons'

 

[Rocketn00b3]

I was really hoping we were gonna have Hibai and Gina get together, but it seems the only place they will be together is in the grave after crossing Rose....

 

[popinloopy]

Thank you for the chapter!

 

[shemper]

The church's guys aren't the baddies, neither are babylons'

The church arming the refugees to use them as their private army aren't the bad guys?

 

[DoboDoboDobo]

I don't now which side to get behind. I do know Rose is not going to be happy and I wouldn't mind if she's around when Hibai has an accident.

 

[conquestking]

I'm pleasantly surprised the manga went that route with the weapons, and they aren't wrong. While they had a machine shop and and created an AK with more traditonal methods, with additive manufacturing and basic metal working you can build yourself a fully functioning pistol caliber carbine in your garage.... without needing a machine shop or any controlled parts or tools. (Look up the FGC 9) Rebels in Burma / Myanmar are using them in their fight. The hardest part will be sourcing ammo. Yes, you can cast the bullets, but making brass from scratch, getting primers and powder is going to be difficult.

 

[Lonbomb]

The church arming the refugees to use them as their private army aren't the bad guys?

Pretty sure Rose being a refugee who works as a hitman for Babylon makes this a grey conflict, and also I don't think what Babylon did to Gina's family has been explained yet so neither side can really be confirmed as a "good guy"

 

[artificialicecream]

thank you for the translation !

 

[shemper]

Pretty sure Rose being a refugee who works as a hitman for Babylon makes this a grey conflict, and also I don't think what Babylon did to Gina's family has been explained yet so neither side can really be confirmed as a "good guy"

i'm not saying they are the good guys, just that here, in this situation, the church is being way worse

 

[Idiot69]

rare based church

 

[zanonyn]

i'm not saying they are the good guys, just that here, in this situation, the church is being way worse

I don't think you can really say that for sure either though. Is an armed ring of an uprising against an oppressive government effectively enslaving them worse than an assassin organization that kills anyone who gets too uppity in the name of maintaining stability and hopefully allowing soft change long term? Possibly yes! But we don't have a wide enough view of the domestic and international politics to really get in-depth on that one.

Yes, you can cast the bullets, but making brass from scratch, getting primers and powder is going to be difficult.

More like effectively impossible. Even in the US there are only two smokeless powder plants in existence, it's hard. Black powder can be done but that's a very different weapon system. Primers and powder would have to be smuggled in, probably brass too. That said, it's much easier to do that then weapons. I'm now spacing on whether there has been any mention of drugs in the refugee area, but if so they've got a path right there, and powder should actually be easier than a lot of them. If nothing else that seems like something the church could manage in a variety of ways.

 

[shemper]

I don't think you can really say that for sure either though. Is an armed ring of an uprising against an oppressive government effectively enslaving them worse than an assassin organization that kills anyone who gets too uppity in the name of maintaining stability and hopefully allowing soft change long term? Possibly yes! But we don't have a wide enough view of the domestic and international politics to really get in-depth on that one.

the political situation doesn't matter, there's a massive difference between pro spies military trained/vet and a bunch of refugees crafting weapons to overthrow or at least contest a country they don't belong to

 

[zanonyn]

the political situation doesn't matter, there's a massive difference between pro spies military trained/vet and a bunch of refugees crafting weapons to overthrow or at least contest a country they don't belong to

You're right there is a difference, employed professionals engaging in extra-judicial killing is worse. Refugees invited in as de facto slave labor, given minimal to no rights/protections and zero representation despite international treaties and basic decency, and kept as a perpetual underclass even as they have children there is a thing that happens even today and it's wrong. Take a quick read on foreign workers in Dubai for example, because I get the feeling the author certainly has researched some of this in coming up with their fictional setting. Claiming that none of that would matter is wild. America didn't end slavery via peaceful campaign but via war and violence. The civil rights movement that took the painfully long delayed next step depended heavily on peaceful protest and civil disobedience to the finish line, but threats of force and armed self-defense were a critical part at the beginning in opening up space for that and reducing anti-black violence. Robert Williams was a key figure there.

Of course, going to force raises the stakes period and can easily backfire in a variety of ways from multiple ends of the spectrum. Even in a democracy any major bad incidents committed (or false flags that become more plausible even) could poison a public coming around and promote backlash. On the opposite side a brutal authoritarian state might just firebomb the whole island or useful brutal force to crush it. But a blanket statement that extra judicial assassination to keep a lid is better than some credible threat of force as part of a big movement doesn't strike me as justified.

 

[shemper]

You're right there is a difference, employed professionals engaging in extra-judicial killing is worse. Refugees invited in as de facto slave labor, given minimal to no rights/protections and zero representation despite international treaties and basic decency, and kept as a perpetual underclass even as they have children there is a thing that happens even today and it's wrong. Take a quick read on foreign workers in Dubai for example, because I get the feeling the author certainly has researched some of this in coming up with their fictional setting. Claiming that none of that would matter is wild. America didn't end slavery via peaceful campaign but via war and violence. The civil rights movement that took the painfully long delayed next step depended heavily on peaceful protest and civil disobedience to the finish line, but threats of force and armed self-defense were a critical part at the beginning in opening up space for that and reducing anti-black violence. Robert Williams was a key figure there.

Of course, going to force raises the stakes period and can easily backfire in a variety of ways from multiple ends of the spectrum. Even in a democracy any major bad incidents committed (or false flags that become more plausible even) could poison a public coming around and promote backlash. On the opposite side a brutal authoritarian state might just firebomb the whole island or useful brutal force to crush it. But a blanket statement that extra judicial assassination to keep a lid is better than some credible threat of force as part of a big movement doesn't strike me as justified.

i guess our backgrounds are too different to understand each other properly on those matters