Koujo Tensei: Densetsu no Dai Madoushi (♂), Hime Kishi to Narite Densetsu no Reijou Kishidan o Tsukuri Musou Suru

[Vacenti]

lmao

You stirred up a bees nest home boy LOL. You already know these people are going to die defending this genre haha. I knew this shit was going to take a turn after the 1st comment page

 

[chickmunck]

You stirred up a bees nest home boy LOL. You already know these people are going to die defending this genre haha. I knew this shit was going to take a turn after the 1st comment page

i dont regret it

 

[Urdine]

Hmmm, I like it. Little silly and chasing the skirttails of other 'super op princess' types but it got high marks for a unexpected Berserk reference in chapter 5.

 

[leviadragon]

You stirred up a bees nest home boy LOL. You already know these people are going to die defending this genre haha. I knew this shit was going to take a turn after the 1st comment page

Things took a turn precisely because Munck was out here starting shit, it's honestly quite strange to act as if he's somehow the victim. I'd ask "what do you mean these people" but I don't honestly care, the drama has gone on long enough.

 

[Trig_Zero]

tbh i forgot she was a guy reincarnated

 

[CC_Gaming]

MC: Have you ever seen the bottom of your shoe?
Girl: Yes...
MC: How about when its still on your foot?
Girl: What?
MC: Here, let me help you with this learning experience!

 

[idle.ainsel]

it's potential is...limitless!

 

[Solipsist]

Aiight, this manga is weird.
The main souce of conflict is: "The MC is too gifted in literally everything and is an immense boon to our country... BUT -- she's too unlady-like! That ruins everything! Fight her on everything until she gives in and acts the way we want her to, like a lady!"

At first that kinda made sense, since, yes, social norms and all.
But the moment a princess proves she's, I don't know, stronger than your knight captains, then you have to start to take her seriously, and abandon all social norms.

 

[zapyourtumor]

if i were mc id just dip and do whatever i want. not like anyone can stop em

 

[leviadragon]

Aiight, this manga is weird.
The main souce of conflict is: "The MC is too gifted in literally everything and is an immense boon to our country... BUT -- she's too unlady-like! That ruins everything! Fight her on everything until she gives in and acts the way we want her to, like a lady!"

At first that kinda made sense, since, yes, social norms and all.
But the moment a princess proves she's, I don't know, stronger than your knight captains, then you have to start to take her seriously, and abandon all social norms.

You act as if women proving to be supremely competent aren't hit with a brick wall of "fuck you" in the real world. These aren't just social norms, they are Power, things being a certain way is beneficial to those with power, and they will fight to retain theirs, this shows up in the most obvious ways like that traitor douche attempting to seize the throne in a rejection of the more egalitarian policies of the king, but also in smaller ways of women with existing political power under the old system saying "oh shit if she overturns the status quo and says women can be warriors, that threatens my position!" It's one of the most devious things about hierarchies that they can make people turn on what should be allies.

 

[Solipsist]

You act as if women proving to be supremely competent aren't hit with a brick wall of "fuck you" in the real world. These aren't just social norms, they are Power, things being a certain way is beneficial to those with power, and they will fight to retain theirs, this shows up in the most obvious ways like that traitor douche attempting to seize the throne in a rejection of the more egalitarian policies of the king, but also in smaller ways of women with existing political power under the old system saying "oh shit if she overturns the status quo and says women can be warriors, that threatens my position!" It's one of the most devious things about hierarchies that they can make people turn on what should be allies.

Well, yes, but also, that angle works a lot less when you try to pull it off.in fantasy, since magic and impossible things are possible.

Also, shes a royal princess, it'd make more sense to make her an underdog, if she was a commoner, not someone who's already one of the highest ranks amongst the kingdom.

What you're saying isn't really wrong, but the reasons and methodology people try to bring her down a peg, just feels so contrived. More so for the sake of having a plot, than for making thematic sense.

 

[leviadragon]

Well, yes, but also, that angle works a lot less when you try to pull it off.in fantasy, since magic and impossible things are possible.

Also, shes a royal princess, it'd make more sense to make her an underdog, if she was a commoner, not someone who's already one of the highest ranks amongst the kingdom.

What you're saying isn't really wrong, but the reasons and methodology people try to bring her down a peg, just feels so contrived. More so for the sake of having a plot, than for making thematic sense.

It does feel contrived in some ways yes, however historically speaking, a Princess was a political tool or bargaining chip rather than a position with real power, because women in patriarchal institutions, even when given some position of prominance, tend to be Constrained. And that is something we see in the story, her mother has limited power even within the household and has to repeatedly appeal to those with power to try and take her daughter down a peg, student council members have Soft Power within the constraints of an academic institution. Some amount of these things do make sense... but yeah the point where it stops making sense is that she has the King's Backing, that by itself should shut down a lot of this.

 

[BladeClatter]

Mary Sue?

 

[rkkn]

wait, what's suggestive about this?

 

[CC_Gaming]

I like this so far but seriously, is the academy fucking braindead? The KING approved her actions and gave her mission, yet they are actively trying to interfere. Any other manga and they would all be stripped of their titles and shit.

 

[Urdine]

I feel like a lot of the girls at this academy talk a lot of shit while being in head exploding punch range.

 

[TICKETS]

Aiight, this manga is weird.
The main souce of conflict is: "The MC is too gifted in literally everything and is an immense boon to our country... BUT -- she's too unlady-like! That ruins everything! Fight her on everything until she gives in and acts the way we want her to, like a lady!"

At first that kinda made sense, since, yes, social norms and all.
But the moment a princess proves she's, I don't know, stronger than your knight captains, then you have to start to take her seriously, and abandon all social norms.

Magical Revolution of the Reincarnated Princess and Genius Young Lady sort of did the same thing. The MC renounces her right to the throne and then they stop bothering her about her behavior.

 

[Solipsist]

It does feel contrived in some ways yes, however historically speaking, a Princess was a political tool or bargaining chip rather than a position with real power, because women in patriarchal institutions, even when given some position of prominance, tend to be Constrained. And that is something we see in the story, her mother has limited power even within the household and has to repeatedly appeal to those with power to try and take her daughter down a peg, student council members have Soft Power within the constraints of an academic institution. Some amount of these things do make sense... but yeah the point where it stops making sense is that she has the King's Backing, that by itself should shut down a lot of this.

Forgot to reply to this.
Indeed, the moment the king just hand-waves everything, it loses all of its weight entirely.
And aporpos-of-nothing, because I wanted to make this comparison but forgot -- the whole: "the patriachy, women have their role" thing, reminds me of literally every single xianxia story (magic martial arts stories) where anything and anyone can become a god of ultimate power -- women are still treated as if they are automatically weaker, which always ends up being proved otherwise.

That is to say, when magic / high fantasy is involved, trying to forcefully fit our historical view on sexes and culture is going to be contrived 90% of the time, it is one of my pet-peeves with anything-fantasy, that tries to also be "culturally similar".
(And yes, it does indeed bother me, that Japanese-fantasy 99% of the time has an MC that parrots about "superior rice" or "superior onsens" :u)

Magical Revolution of the Reincarnated Princess and Genius Young Lady sort of did the same thing. The MC renounces her right to the throne and then they stop bothering her about her behavior.

I'll just say, at least Magical Revolution did the right thing, and treated the whole "but you're a princess!" thing as a joke, since it really is just a joke. :v
Stories where it's treated as a source of drama / conflict, like how I wrote above, is where it gets iicky.

 

[leviadragon]

Forgot to reply to this.
Indeed, the moment the king just hand-waves everything, it loses all of its weight entirely.
And aporpos-of-nothing, because I wanted to make this comparison but forgot -- the whole: "the patriachy, women have their role" thing, reminds me of literally every single xianxia story (magic martial arts stories) where anything and anyone can become a god of ultimate power -- women are still treated as if they are automatically weaker, which always ends up being proved otherwise.

That is to say, when magic / high fantasy is involved, trying to forcefully fit our historical view on sexes and culture is going to be contrived 90% of the time, it is one of my pet-peeves with anything-fantasy, that tries to also be "culturally similar".
(And yes, it does indeed bother me, that Japanese-fantasy 99% of the time has an MC that parrots about "superior rice" or "superior onsens" :u)


I'll just say, at least Magical Revolution did the right thing, and treated the whole "but you're a princess!" thing as a joke, since it really is just a joke. :v
Stories where it's treated as a source of drama / conflict, like how I wrote above, is where it gets iicky.

I mean Magical Revolution actually handled the realpolitick of being unable to use magic in a very magic-centric society as an extension of and stand in for "you are woman and thus pawn" In addition her magitech science, while potentially revolutionary, was a more Egalitarian system in that any commoner could use one of her devices, thus threatening the power and authority of nobles who rely on their good breeding to produce powerful magical heirs to maintain dominance. In that series the worldbuilding and transactional, sexist politics emerge organically together and harmonize, in this one? it's a little confused.