Kuchidome no Gohoubi wa Dansou Otome To Ichaero Desu! - Vol. 2 Ch. 11

[KerNes]

Fuck out of here with wanting to live as a man and wearing those laced panties. Like, thanks but this is the dumbest cross dressing I think I've ever seen.

Reminds of Louise's mother in Zero no Tsukaiama during the flashbacks to her own youth...

 

[deathmailrock]

I love the twist that EVERYONE supported her even though she was a woman and that promise was one her loved ones obviously didn't care about...

A nice twist...

 

[hevensdragon]

I want the character to make sense. You're making a bunch of assumptions on things we don't know
The story does nothing to present to us why she has this mindset. Her parents support her, and all of her training doesn't look to be toned down at all. In fact it looks like it constantly ramped up as she got older. So its weird that she thinks this way in the first place with not evidence of it.
actively resents being a woman. Even before cross dressing she was bothered by her own body, sexually repressed or not. Her undressing in front of the other students doesn't feel like a forced act with that question mark hanging at the side. It makes her seem like someone who doesn't care about her gender at the least, but we're shown someone who cares a lot. She promised to return home but we can safely assume that her parents didn't, and wouldn't mind.

The real reason she's wearing those is that we're reading softcore porn. It makes sense for Kate to do it because she has actually been repressed. Its not about cross dressing correctly its about it not making sense for Akira's character.

Resents being a women, who is making assumptions, she very clearly doesn't. You literally listed shown difference of treatment with the undress scene, and that gender doesn't matter to her, so cross dressing was no big deal. I have not stated anything other than to be open minded and things that were directly stated and shown. Your the only one here who has a problem with her, everyone else has been disagreeing that she does in fact make sense. Your just being stubborn and close minded trying to make her character fit your mental mold. Don't like her that much leave and go write your own story.

 

[HawkGoggles]

Resents being a women, who is making assumptions, she very clearly doesn't. You literally listed shown difference of treatment with the undress scene, and that gender doesn't matter to her, so cross dressing was no big deal. I have not stated anything other than to be open minded and things that were directly stated and shown. Your the only one here who has a problem with her, everyone else has been disagreeing that she does in fact make sense. Your just being stubborn and close minded trying to make her character fit your mental mold. Don't like her that much leave and go write your own story.

I'm just gonna assume you're a troll at this point and let this be the last reply because if I assume you can't read, I'd be slightly less awful than you are right now. I'm obviously a closed minded bigot because of the small opinion of, "I don't think this character would choose to put on laced panties." (That last sentence was sarcasm, I have to make sure you understand)

I don't hate Akira, I think she's pretty funny, I also think she's a little dumb but that seems to be the point. I could buy that she's dumb enough to not know the difference between underwear before I believe she put laced panties on fully knowing the implications.

You seem to be underplaying how seriously she took her cross dressing. She didn't present masculinity and still referred to herself as a woman to others. She fully presented as a man and if she was ever found out, she would go home. Do you not understand how serious that is; to give up her dream if she's found out. I wouldn't give anyone a chance at all other than seeing me fully naked. In a school that has shared showers, so anyone could walk in after her for any reason and just see her panties in a cupboard of maybe they fell on the floor, they wouldn't even have to see her in the shower, and that happened to Kate chapter 1.

Then you give me her character, who again, resents being a woman. Sorry I paraphrased and didn't give citations to "I've become very aware of being a woman and started hating it..." page 17. Someone Who doesn't seem to understand the differences between the two sexes in anyway other than strength. And were not show people treating her any different in that specific regard because when it looks like you're fight five guys at the same time, gender stops mattering really quickly, holding back or not. She doesn't like the fact that her breast got bigger but she had one flashback of touching herself. In a soft core porno where sexual assault is played as a joke, I can't take that too seriously but even then I wouldn't take that as her want to express her womanhood in any real way, but just an excuse for what happened in the previous chapter.

And on top of it all, you have this cliche that actually subverts your expectation in a really funny way but it puts all of the pressure onto the character and their own ego. It reinforces every single thing that you've learned about her. The line "I didn't want to dress up as a man" can't hold up the wight of everything else we've seen of her. There's no room for subtlety here like there was with Kate who at least wore feminine cloths in her flashback. You can't have me believe in easy cliches and quick assumptions when you cut them off with her backstory.

TL;DR: There are a few lines in here that don't make sense with Akira's character, let alone wearing laced panties. You can't triple down on her own mentality and tell me she put them on because "she just wants to have a little fun" or "they feel good", especially not after just getting into a fight. Characters can do things that don't make sense and act out of character but you have to put in the work to make readers believe it and everything in this chapter did the opposite of that for me. I brought up the trope of masculine presenting but still seeing your self as a woman; laced panties make sense with shorthand assumptions. This girl who after getting caught would return horme to her accepting family that thinks her mentality is wrong and only wants to support her, No.

 

[hevensdragon]

I'm just gonna assume you're a troll at this point and let this be the last reply because if I assume you can't read, I'd be slightly less awful than you are right now. I'm obviously a closed minded bigot because of the small opinion of, "I don't think this character would choose to put on laced panties." (That last sentence was sarcasm, I have to make sure you understand)

I don't hate Akira, I think she's pretty funny, I also think she's a little dumb but that seems to be the point. I could buy that she's dumb enough to not know the difference between underwear before I believe she put laced panties on fully knowing the implications.

You seem to be underplaying how seriously she took her cross dressing. She didn't present masculinity and still referred to herself as a woman to others. She fully presented as a man and if she was ever found out, she would go home. Do you not understand how serious that is; to give up her dream if she's found out. I wouldn't give anyone a chance at all other than seeing me fully naked. In a school that has shared showers, so anyone could walk in after her for any reason and just see her panties in a cupboard of maybe they fell on the floor, they wouldn't even have to see her in the shower, and that happened to Kate chapter 1.

Then you give me her character, who again, resents being a woman. Sorry I paraphrased and didn't give citations to "I've become very aware of being a woman and started hating it..." page 17. Someone Who doesn't seem to understand the differences between the two sexes in anyway other than strength. And were not show people treating her any different in that specific regard because when it looks like you're fight five guys at the same time, gender stops mattering really quickly, holding back or not. She doesn't like the fact that her breast got bigger but she had one flashback of touching herself. In a soft core porno where sexual assault is played as a joke, I can't take that too seriously but even then I wouldn't take that as her want to express her womanhood in any real way, but just an excuse for what happened in the previous chapter.

And on top of it all, you have this cliche that actually subverts your expectation in a really funny way but it puts all of the pressure onto the character and their own ego. It reinforces every single thing that you've learned about her. The line "I didn't want to dress up as a man" can't hold up the wight of everything else we've seen of her. There's no room for subtlety here like there was with Kate who at least wore feminine cloths in her flashback. You can't have me believe in easy cliches and quick assumptions when you cut them off with her backstory.

TL;DR: There are a few lines in here that don't make sense with Akira's character, let alone wearing laced panties. You can't triple down on her own mentality and tell me she put them on because "she just wants to have a little fun" or "they feel good", especially not after just getting into a fight. Characters can do things that don't make sense and act out of character but you have to put in the work to make readers believe it and everything in this chapter did the opposite of that for me. I brought up the trope of masculine presenting but still seeing your self as a woman; laced panties make sense with shorthand assumptions. This girl who after getting caught would return horme to her accepting family that thinks her mentality is wrong and only wants to support her, No.

Yes very clearly I'm a troll, trolls are known for giving detailed replies actually addressing what was said.
But geez all that and you don't even really make a point, you list a lot, but none of it actually backs your saying unless you just skim read and take a very shallow look. She very clearly still cares about her womanhood, her protecting her virginity was a very clear indicator of that. She also very clearly is interested in sex and is repressed in large part do to cross dressing (a indicator she would rather not btw). Its why she pushed for him to have sex with her the way she did, both her and Kate very clearly are only treating the "bribing" as excuses to cut loose. Her expressing repressed desires with her underwear may not be the smartest thing, but in no way is it inconsistent, she was raised to not hate her feminine side. You keep bringing up the shared showers, sure panties being found would look odd, but she can just put them under her clothing, but someone walking in would absolutely out her. No point worrying about underwear in that case as that you can hide and talk your way out of vs being seen. Clearly she knows when the showers are used and only goes in alone and uses ones no one will be at or doesn't generally use the shared ones.
By your logic she should be trans, because her being a women got in her way and she should fully commit to the swap. You completely miss any and all nuances to her personally and have no sense of scale with a extremally black and white outlook. If she did only the smart options, she just be a robot, flaws are personality, just because its not smart doesn't make it inconsistent. Her motive and reasoning are directly stated, to ignore and impose your own logic on the character is just foolish. Her still taking pride in herself as a women, expressing herself and having some fun with somthing privately, these don't clash with her motivation at all.

 

[HawkGoggles]

Yes very clearly I'm a troll, trolls are known for giving detailed replies actually addressing what was said.
But geez all that and you don't even really make a point, you list a lot, but none of it actually backs your saying unless you just skim read and take a very shallow look. She very clearly still cares about her womanhood, her protecting her virginity was a very clear indicator of that. She also very clearly is interested in sex and is repressed in large part do to cross dressing (a indicator she would rather not btw). Its why she pushed for him to have sex with her the way she did, both her and Kate very clearly are only treating the "bribing" as excuses to cut loose. Her expressing repressed desires with her underwear may not be the smartest thing, but in no way is it inconsistent, she was raised to not hate her feminine side. You keep bringing up the shared showers, sure panties being found would look odd, but she can just put them under her clothing, but someone walking in would absolutely out her. No point worrying about underwear in that case as that you can hide and talk your way out of vs being seen. Clearly she knows when the showers are used and only goes in alone and uses ones no one will be at or doesn't generally use the shared ones.
By your logic she should be trans, because her being a women got in her way and she should fully commit to the swap. You completely miss any and all nuances to her personally and have no sense of scale with a extremally black and white outlook. If she did only the smart options, she just be a robot, flaws are personality, just because its not smart doesn't make it inconsistent. Her motive and reasoning are directly stated, to ignore and impose your own logic on the character is just foolish. Her still taking pride in herself as a women, expressing herself and having some fun with somthing privately, these don't clash with her motivation at all.

You stay putting words in my mouth so I'm just gonna assume you're projecting on to these characters and my slight wonder of why a character like Akira would put on laced panties somehow crossed you. My only point has been "I don't think Akira would wear laced panties" I literally said I like how dumb she is and if given an equally dumb reason, I could accept them.

The reason I'm so long winded is because you can't seem to comprehend the plain text and your reading of subtext is subpar. I've already wrote about short hand writing and nuance and I don't think the panties are good enough to be that in and of themselves.

The very obvious reason of why I'm so locked in on the showers is because this story opens with Dino finding Kate in the showers. There's hardly any privacy at this school where you can easily walk into someone's room. (things that have already happened in the story) Kate an Akira may be doing the same thing but for vastly different reasons. If Kate was found out, she would have her life ruined by the people that would find out about her. Akira would ruin her own aspirations by her own hands. I think I can see a picture you aren't seeing.

You're only reasoning for her wearing them are "cute panties are fun" and "she's repressed" but none of those make sense with her character. We've seen Kate be repressed and deal with the pressure of having the holy sword as a woman; Akira only talks about being looked down on for being one and in this dedicated flash back chapter, we don't see it. Akira cross dresses 100% through her own volition and, sure, she can be a little repressed but I don't think that would take the form of laced panties. Its probably her fixation on Dino where all of that emotion is going but even then it mostly express itself through battle. Only when naked with him does she let it turn into something else.

Its the fact that Akira has so much agency over herself that seeing her slip feels weird. I'd need actual foreshadowing of her doing girly things. I'd need to flash back to show me her wearing anything feminine. Of having even an ounce of the shame she showed the last couple of chapters. When you're already doing the deed, nuance hardly matters, and if you're going to flashback and don't take the chance to put any in there, I'm going to wonder why she's acting like this now. I'm more inclined to believe that she at least wore gender neutral clothing as a kid than anything else, all by her own volition.

If I really had a problem with Akira as a character, I'd be questioning why she's even cross dressing in the first place, but the story made me believe that. So because I believe that so much, Its weird that she would do something to get in her own way like that, for something I don't think she'd do even if she presented as a woman in the first place.

 

[hevensdragon]

You stay putting words in my mouth so I'm just gonna assume you're projecting on to these characters and my slight wonder of why a character like Akira would put on laced panties somehow crossed you. My only point has been "I don't think Akira would wear laced panties" I literally said I like how dumb she is and if given an equally dumb reason, I could accept them.

The reason I'm so long winded is because you can't seem to comprehend the plain text and your reading of subtext is subpar. I've already wrote about short hand writing and nuance and I don't think the panties are good enough to be that in and of themselves.

The very obvious reason of why I'm so locked in on the showers is because this story opens with Dino finding Kate in the showers. There's hardly any privacy at this school where you can easily walk into someone's room. (things that have already happened in the story) Kate an Akira may be doing the same thing but for vastly different reasons. If Kate was found out, she would have her life ruined by the people that would find out about her. Akira would ruin her own aspirations by her own hands. I think I can see a picture you aren't seeing.

You're only reasoning for her wearing them are "cute panties are fun" and "she's repressed" but none of those make sense with her character. We've seen Kate be repressed and deal with the pressure of having the holy sword as a woman; Akira only talks about being looked down on for being one and in this dedicated flash back chapter, we don't see it. Akira cross dresses 100% through her own volition and, sure, she can be a little repressed but I don't think that would take the form of laced panties. Its probably her fixation on Dino where all of that emotion is going but even then it mostly express itself through battle. Only when naked with him does she let it turn into something else.

Its the fact that Akira has so much agency over herself that seeing her slip feels weird. I'd need actual foreshadowing of her doing girly things. I'd need to flash back to show me her wearing anything feminine. Of having even an ounce of the shame she showed the last couple of chapters. When you're already doing the deed, nuance hardly matters, and if you're going to flashback and don't take the chance to put any in there, I'm going to wonder why she's acting like this now. I'm more inclined to believe that she at least wore gender neutral clothing as a kid than anything else, all by her own volition.

If I really had a problem with Akira as a character, I'd be questioning why she's even cross dressing in the first place, but the story made me believe that. So because I believe that so much, Its weird that she would do something to get in her own way like that, for something I don't think she'd do even if she presented as a woman in the first place.

So much for last comment.
Your choosing to make assumptions about somthing we are directly told (guys going easy on her for being a women) is not true because it wasn't directly shown (we did see her getting reminded she is a women in the dojo when she striped emphasizing difference in treatment, just not them holding back in a fight, which is harder to draw and depict as a still image.) is just bizarre. Sure she could be wrong, but all informant we have been given at this point states that it was the case. The claim of it wasn't foreshadowed when she has had very little screen time yet as while she was around as a character we are just now getting to know her now, and prior she was still hiding successfully, if it was blatant she would have been caught. We don't know she doesn't have very feminine hobbies and interests. We know very little about her in general, at this point we have no clue what her interests are one way or another, to just make a assumptions of which based on nothing is very much jumping the gun.
But the worst part of what your doing is that rather than your examples leading to your point, you have a stance and are cherry picking things that can be used to back it, often out of context and ignoring conflicting information, or even things outright stated as otherwise. You should take what we are told and shown and form a point and picture by putting those things together, else you loose objectivity and view everything through a tainted lens only seeing things how you want to.
Your also are getting close to the point I will just report you with the personal attacks, you have repeatedly been claiming I can't read or that I'm a troll, or just general insults to a my intelligence. This does not back your points or further the discussion. Keep it constructive and make a point with your argument, not attempts to chase off the other party with insults, dismissing and shut down tactics. Continue that and I will report you.

 

[HawkGoggles]

So much for last comment.
Your choosing to make assumptions about somthing we are directly told (guys going easy on her for being a women) is not true because it wasn't directly shown (we did see her getting reminded she is a women in the dojo when she striped emphasizing difference in treatment, just not them holding back in a fight, which is harder to draw and depict as a still image.) is just bizarre. Sure she could be wrong, but all informant we have been given at this point states that it was the case. The claim of it wasn't foreshadowed when she has had very little screen time yet as while she was around as a character we are just now getting to know her now, and prior she was still hiding successfully, if it was blatant she would have been caught. We don't know she doesn't have very feminine hobbies and interests. We know very little about her in general, at this point we have no clue what her interests are one way or another, to just make a assumptions of which based on nothing is very much jumping the gun.
But the worst part of what your doing is that rather than your examples leading to your point, you have a stance and are cherry picking things that can be used to back it, often out of context and ignoring conflicting information, or even things outright stated as otherwise. You should take what we are told and shown and form a point and picture by putting those things together, else you loose objectivity and view everything through a tainted lens only seeing things how you want to.
Your also are getting close to the point I will just report you with the personal attacks, you have repeatedly been claiming I can't read or that I'm a troll, or just general insults to a my intelligence. This does not back your points or further the discussion. Keep it constructive and make a point with your argument, not attempts to chase off the other party with insults, dismissing and shut down tactics. Continue that and I will report you.

Were you not the one that called me a bigot first? Now I know you're projecting, because everything you claimed my analysis lacked, I had, unlike you.

Characters can say a lot of things, but hat doesn't make them true, so you shouldn't take everything they say at face value. You also have to look at how they act, think and what they believe in to understand a fully realized character. The levels of actualization are, things spoken, things thought, things done. So would think that the fact that she's wearing panties at all would end the conversation but that runs into contrast to everything thing else she has done since she was a child and the things she plans to do after being found out.

If you're doing a flashback to show why a character is acting a certain way and they give you a reason, why would you NOT show the reason? That doesn't make sense and to double down on it not making sense, we are show the exact opposite of her reason. We are shown her fighting about five to three guys twice this chapter. No amount of "holding back" would make that an easy task for anyone, male or female. Its also really easy to show people looking down on her for being a woman; just have her overhear two guys saying so, and even if they're lying to save face, that's enough to leave an impression. But even so, I still believe that Akira believes that, because she set a goal and stipulation that reflects her resolve.

This is a visual media, visual foreshadowing is super easy. At the school there could have been a shot of her with a high ponytail like when she was a kid. In the flashback you could have shown her normal wear, a teddy bear on her night stand or some other girly thing. its not that fact that it needs to be at all that bothers me. It wold need to be there for me to believe your analysis. The fact that nothing is there reinforces my belief that acting girly just isn't in her personality.

The crux of an argument is to make a stance "I don't think Akira would wear laced panties" and then back up that point with information. I'm long winded because I'm giving you context, citing the text, and explaining why all of these missing writing techniques matter. No matter what she says, everything that Akira has done, and everything we've seen done to her makes me think she wouldn't wear laced panties. So much to the point that was taken out of the story briefly and chuckled at the thought of it. Its not story ruining, or character breaking, its just a little funny. But with everything we currently have its out of character and can't keep saying how I would accept it if given a good reason. The story hasn't given it to me. You haven't given it to me. So I'll keep laughing at it until I get it.

You can't just accept everything the story throws at you without a doubt. Reading in between the isn't just about picking up small details, it also about noticing things that aren't there. Sometimes, that's the point, I think that's the point right now. its in such stark contrast to Kate's back story that has everything that it needs to explain why she acts the way she does. So go re-read that for context, compare it to this, take your own advice, and get back to me.

 

[hevensdragon]

Were you not the one that called me a bigot first? Now I know you're projecting, because everything you claimed my analysis lacked, I had, unlike you.

Characters can say a lot of things, but hat doesn't make them true, so you shouldn't take everything they say at face value. You also have to look at how they act, think and what they believe in to understand a fully realized character. The levels of actualization are, things spoken, things thought, things done. So would think that the fact that she's wearing panties at all would end the conversation but that runs into contrast to everything thing else she has done since she was a child and the things she plans to do after being found out.

If you're doing a flashback to show why a character is acting a certain way and they give you a reason, why would you NOT show the reason? That doesn't make sense and to double down on it not making sense, we are show the exact opposite of her reason. We are shown her fighting about five to three guys twice this chapter. No amount of "holding back" would make that an easy task for anyone, male or female. Its also really easy to show people looking down on her for being a woman; just have her overhear two guys saying so, and even if they're lying to save face, that's enough to leave an impression. But even so, I still believe that Akira believes that, because she set a goal and stipulation that reflects her resolve.

This is a visual media, visual foreshadowing is super easy. At the school there could have been a shot of her with a high ponytail like when she was a kid. In the flashback you could have shown her normal wear, a teddy bear on her night stand or some other girly thing. its not that fact that it needs to be at all that bothers me. It wold need to be there for me to believe your analysis. The fact that nothing is there reinforces my belief that acting girly just isn't in her personality.

The crux of an argument is to make a stance "I don't think Akira would wear laced panties" and then back up that point with information. I'm long winded because I'm giving you context, citing the text, and explaining why all of these missing writing techniques matter. No matter what she says, everything that Akira has done, and everything we've seen done to her makes me think she wouldn't wear laced panties. So much to the point that was taken out of the story briefly and chuckled at the thought of it. Its not story ruining, or character breaking, its just a little funny. But with everything we currently have its out of character and can't keep saying how I would accept it if given a good reason. The story hasn't given it to me. You haven't given it to me. So I'll keep laughing at it until I get it.

You can't just accept everything the story throws at you without a doubt. Reading in between the isn't just about picking up small details, it also about noticing things that aren't there. Sometimes, that's the point, I think that's the point right now. its in such stark contrast to Kate's back story that has everything that it needs to explain why she acts the way she does. So go re-read that for context, compare it to this, take your own advice, and get back to me.

I did not call you a bigot, I said "Frankly your just coming off as bigoted" which is not in fact calling you it but that what you where saying could be taken as such.
Now what is it exactly my analysis lacked? With all that text and you leave that as just a vague statement sure makes it seem like you don't actually have anything to list, as you clearly would. If there is holes in what I said they should be your first priority to address to further your point. But you didn't and instead just went on rants.
Now as for the rest of what your saying, why would they not show it, simple, its very difficult to depict subtitle movement in still images. Depicting holding back is very hard, and in the end will have to be stated that they did so, so it wont be visually done in the end ether way.
For the foreshadowing, we don't know what interests she has, lace panties is in line with sexual interests, which she has shown to be interested in. Collecting stuffed animals and what not would be in line with interest in cute things, which she hasn't shown any signs of interests in. Again we don't know all that much, but she does seem rather practical so her not having things just laying around isn't odd.
As for the crux of a argument, sure a stance is important, but its a stance on a topic, the topic is the foundation of it. It should be built upon information, tabloid reporters find somthing then build a case around the stance, which is why they are so trash information wise. You don't like the underwear and so are building a case starting from that stance.
As for you cant just accept everything a story tells you without a doubt, sure sure. You should question it a bit, but that doesn't mean you should just not believe anything. You should doubt things that have given you a reason to doubt, but your just assuming no one went easy on her because it want shown directly enough for you.
Also what is this nonsense of getting mad that things your expecting are missing. What a narrow minded way of judging things, "in order for it to be this this must be present, it not being so means the story is ruined and its badly written, no way my assumption is what's wrong and I just missread". Chill out and give the character some time to be developed.

 

[HawkGoggles]

I did not call you a bigot, I said "Frankly your just coming off as bigoted" which is not in fact calling you it but that what you where saying could be taken as such.
Now what is it exactly my analysis lacked? With all that text and you leave that as just a vague statement sure makes it seem like you don't actually have anything to list, as you clearly would. If there is holes in what I said they should be your first priority to address to further your point. But you didn't and instead just went on rants.
Now as for the rest of what your saying, why would they not show it, simple, its very difficult to depict subtitle movement in still images. Depicting holding back is very hard, and in the end will have to be stated that they did so, so it wont be visually done in the end ether way.
For the foreshadowing, we don't know what interests she has, lace panties is in line with sexual interests, which she has shown to be interested in. Collecting stuffed animals and what not would be in line with interest in cute things, which she hasn't shown any signs of interests in. Again we don't know all that much, but she does seem rather practical so her not having things just laying around isn't odd.
As for the crux of a argument, sure a stance is important, but its a stance on a topic, the topic is the foundation of it. It should be built upon information, tabloid reporters find somthing then build a case around the stance, which is why they are so trash information wise. You don't like the underwear and so are building a case starting from that stance.
As for you cant just accept everything a story tells you without a doubt, sure sure. You should question it a bit, but that doesn't mean you should just not believe anything. You should doubt things that have given you a reason to doubt, but your just assuming no one went easy on her because it want shown directly enough for you.
Also what is this nonsense of getting mad that things your expecting are missing. What a narrow minded way of judging things, "in order for it to be this this must be present, it not being so means the story is ruined and its badly written, no way my assumption is what's wrong and I just missread". Chill out and give the character some time to be developed.

So you didn't take your own advice and cherry picked my comment. you're fishing for me to insult you and its not gonna work. Try hard. Please try harder, with a lot. I don't think I can express myself in a way that hasn't already been expressed or give you examples that you choose to just ignore, or give you words that you just misquote because you couldn't understand them. You say I need to do something that I said multiple times that I'm willing to do. So try harder, and I'll come back to humor you. Just like this girl who hasn't shown a shred of femininity in her body, wearing laced panties is humors to me.

 

[hevensdragon]

So you didn't take your own advice and cherry picked my comment. you're fishing for me to insult you and its not gonna work. Try hard. Please try harder, with a lot. I don't think I can express myself in a way that hasn't already been expressed or give you examples that you choose to just ignore, or give you words that you just misquote because you couldn't understand them. You say I need to do something that I said multiple times that I'm willing to do. So try harder, and I'll come back to humor you. Just like this girl who hasn't shown a shred of femininity in her body, wearing laced panties is humors to me.

I ignored examples?! Quote please. I will be more than happy to address them.
Also lol claiming I would need to work harder for a insult and you again put in "

"you couldn't understand them"

one a insulted, and two a excuse for not having a point.

 

[HawkGoggles]

I ignored examples?! Quote please. I will be more than happy to address them.
Also lol claiming I would need to work harder for a insult and you again put in "

one a insulted, and two a excuse for not having a point.

Akira wouldn't wear laced panties. You haven't provided any clear proof of why she would. You not understanding my point of view isn't isn't an insult but a simple fact. I understand your point well enough. Please review my previous comments. Thank you and try again.

 

[hevensdragon]

Akira wouldn't wear laced panties. You haven't provided any clear proof of why she would. You not understanding my point of view isn't isn't an insult but a simple fact. I understand your point well enough. Please review my previous comments. Thank you and try again.

Seriously, that is your example of a point I ignored?

except she doesn't want to be a man, her motive was that she was annoyed others went easy on her because she is a women. She doesn't want to be a man she wants others to think she is. So she only cares to outwardly look like a man, but has no reason to not indulge in fun underwear or other feminine hobbies that wont be seen.

she only cares about initial impressions. Only outward appearance matters. She doesnt hate being a women, she hates being gone easy on. So there is no reason to not have some fun with her clothing in ways others wont see. Also there is many reasons why she could have chosen those underwear other than them being sexy, she may very well not have chosen them based on look but based on comfort, high quality also often look good. Hell she clearly has some repressed sexual desires that she is exited to be able to act on now so they could have been chosen to make her feel more confident or any number of other reasons

She very clearly still cares about her womanhood, her protecting her virginity was a very clear indicator of that. She also very clearly is interested in sex and is repressed in large part do to cross dressing (a indicator she would rather not btw). Its why she pushed for him to have sex with her the way she did, both her and Kate very clearly are only treating the "bribing" as excuses to cut loose. Her expressing repressed desires with her underwear may not be the smartest thing, but in no way is it inconsistent

You call that ignoring points? Are you for real? Sure these are not reasons why she definitively would, they are reasons why its a possibility she may. Why would I need to prove she absolutely would, reasons why she may is more than enough as to justifying the point of it doesn't seem that weird that she choose to, you on the other hand do need to prove that she 100% wouldn't to justify matter of fact statements like

Akira wouldn't wear laced panties. You haven't provided any clear proof of why she would.

Speaking of matter of fact statements, you really seem to love making them. How about you justify any of these with examples. And I do expect better than that laughable claim of that I never gave reasons why she may wear lace.

You're making a bunch of assumptions on things we don't know and the fact that she's a woman.
I'm just gonna assume you're a troll at this point and let this be the last reply because if I assume you can't read,

Give a example of assumption as well as a case of me not reading.

You stay putting words in my mouth

Give a example of me claiming you said somthing you didn't.

The reason I'm so long winded is because you can't seem to comprehend the plain text and your reading of subtext is subpar.

Give a example of me clearly comprehending or subtext that you think I missed.

because everything you claimed my analysis lacked, I had, unlike you.

What a broad statement, how about some precise examples or things your had the mine didn't, and examples to back that were mine lacked those things and yours didn't.

examples that you choose to just ignore

I'll give you a second try on this, don't make it as laughable.

or give you words that you just misquote because you couldn't understand them.

Give examples of misquoting and me not understanding words.

 

[HawkGoggles]

Seriously, that is your example of a point I ignored?



You call that ignoring points? Are you for real? Sure these are not reasons why she definitively would, they are reasons why its a possibility she may. Why would I need to prove she absolutely would, reasons why she may is more than enough as to justifying the point of it doesn't seem that weird that she choose to, you on the other hand do need to prove that she 100% wouldn't to justify matter of fact statements like


Speaking of matter of fact statements, you really seem to love making them. How about you justify any of these with examples. And I do expect better than that laughable claim of that I never gave reasons why she may wear lace.

Give a example of assumption as well as a case of me not reading.

Give a example of me claiming you said somthing you didn't.

Give a example of me clearly comprehending or subtext that you think I missed.

What a broad statement, how about some precise examples or things your had the mine didn't, and examples to back that were mine lacked those things and yours didn't.

I'll give you a second try on this, don't make it as laughable.

Give examples of misquoting and me not understanding words.

So going through your analysis once more, (pretend all three quotes are here, omitting for readability), They all hold these problems.

You call that ignoring points?

Give a example of assumption

Give a example of me clearly comprehending or subtext that you think I missed.

examples or things your had the mine didn't, and examples to back that were mine lacked those things and yours didn't.

examples that you choose to just ignore "I'll give you a second try on this, don't make it as laughable."

You're assertion of her wearing panties comes from the fact that she's a woman more than anything. Your only argument that relates back to her character is the fact that she might be repressed. You're point seems to be "Kate probably wears laced panties because cross dressing represses her womanhood and that's how she expresses it." it doesn't have to be word for word but some form of this sentence and if I'm wrong tell me so.

The problem with this outlook is that the story doesn't support it through her actions; past or present, thoughts, personality, environment, or even upbringing. All of these things you haven't brought up. You bring up the text of her "not wanting to dress up as a man" but ignore the text of her "starting to hate being a woman". You don't understand the gravity of her choosing to leave the school if she's found for being a woman or how her family wouldn't care if she was.

You don't understand the scene of her undressing front of a bunch of men. Its not about her being treated differently, its about how she doesn't care about her femininity, fallowed by it expressing itself through pleasure and action and not any physical items.

You don't understand why the lack of evidence for her complex which leads her to cross dressing is odd and probably just a joke by contrasting it with Kate's backstory. Kate's back story is very clear and thorough in explaining why she would act the way she would through words and visual distinctions. Akira has neither of those so when a writer is shown to be able to do so, when they decided not to do so again, there might be a point to it.

Which leads me to:

Give examples of misquoting and me not understanding words.

"in order for it to be this this must be present, it not being so means the story is ruined and its badly written, no way my assumption is what's wrong and I just missread".

When I wrote:

No matter what she says, everything that Akira has done, and everything we've seen done to her makes me think she wouldn't wear laced panties. So much to the point that was taken out of the story briefly and chuckled at the thought of it. Its not story ruining, or character breaking, its just a little funny. But with everything we currently have its out of character and can't keep saying how I would accept it if given a good reason.

Reading in between the isn't just about picking up small details, it also about noticing things that aren't there. Sometimes, that's the point, I think that's the point right now.

You write lines that this:

Chill out and give the character some time to be developed.

After me writing lines like this:

But with everything we currently have its out of character and can't keep saying how I would accept it if given a good reason. The story hasn't given it to me. You haven't given it to me. So I'll keep laughing at it until I get it.

So just don't read what I write. Think about it. Don't just read the story. Think about it.

 

[hevensdragon]

So going through your analysis once more, (pretend all three quotes are here, omitting for readability), They all hold these problems.





You're assertion of her wearing panties comes from the fact that she's a woman more than anything. Your only argument that relates back to her character is the fact that she might be repressed. You're point seems to be "Kate probably wears laced panties because cross dressing represses her womanhood and that's how she expresses it." it doesn't have to be word for word but some form of this sentence and if I'm wrong tell me so.

The problem with this outlook is that the story doesn't support it through her actions; past or present, thoughts, personality, environment, or even upbringing. All of these things you haven't brought up. You bring up the text of her "not wanting to dress up as a man" but ignore the text of her "starting to hate being a woman". You don't understand the gravity of her choosing to leave the school if she's found for being a woman or how her family wouldn't care if she was.

You don't understand the scene of her undressing front of a bunch of men. Its not about her being treated differently, its about how she doesn't care about her femininity, fallowed by it expressing itself through pleasure and action and not any physical items.

You don't understand why the lack of evidence for her complex which leads her to cross dressing is odd and probably just a joke by contrasting it with Kate's backstory. Kate's back story is very clear and thorough in explaining why she would act the way she would through words and visual distinctions. Akira has neither of those so when a writer is shown to be able to do so, when they decided not to do so again, there might be a point to it.

Which leads me to:


When I wrote:



You write lines that this:


After me writing lines like this:


So just don't read what I write. Think about it. Don't just read the story. Think about it.

Ok no I'm done, you are blatantly trolling (best case)
You failed to give any examples backing any of your claims, the only one you even tried to was you misquoting me depicting speech as me quoting you.
Your just a circle of nonsense and claims so outlandish they are difficult to even reply to.
This last post of your just outs you so hard, after all the points I made that you think

You're point seems to be "Kate probably wears laced panties because cross dressing represses her womanhood and that's how she expresses it."

(wrong girl btw) Is the

Your only argument that relates back to her character is the fact that she might be repressed

Then you just blatantly haven't read even half of what I have said as I have made many points other than just that.

The reason your such a problem is your not saying your real complaint, your dancing around it nitpicking other things. What your real complaint is I'm not 100% sure, I have guesses, but nothing solid. But rather than actually saying it your just raising a fuss about any and everything, most likely what you have a problem with wouldn't be deemed acceptable and you know it would get you in trouble.
But yeah that's it, I'm done with you. I have reported you for throwing a tantrum over a character wearing lace panties.

 

[HawkGoggles]

Ok no I'm done, you are blatantly trolling (best case)
You failed to give any examples backing any of your claims, the only one you even tried to was you misquoting me depicting speech as me quoting you.
Your just a circle of nonsense and claims so outlandish they are difficult to even reply to.
This last post of your just outs you so hard, after all the points I made that you think

(wrong girl btw) Is the

Then you just blatantly haven't read even half of what I have said as I have made many points other than just that.

The reason your such a problem is your not saying your real complaint, your dancing around it nitpicking other things. What your real complaint is I'm not 100% sure, I have guesses, but nothing solid. But rather than actually saying it your just raising a fuss about any and everything, most likely what you have a problem with wouldn't be deemed acceptable and you know it would get you in trouble.
But yeah that's it, I'm done with you. I have reported you for throwing a tantrum over a character wearing lace panties.

You know who I meant, don't try to not understand me because of an accident. If you know what I'm throwing a "tantrum" over then you know my point. You went so far as to take a worse version of my own words and throw it back at me. And then you once again assume something of me that just can't be true if you actually read what I wrote.

The only reason I've gone so far is because other people agreed with your take an I wanted to point out the reason why "Akira wearing laced panties is silly." Unlike you I can put my point into a concise sentence. Maybe people can learn something from what I've been posting. Maybe you learned something for when you decide to take things seriously. All I know is that I've already called you out on what you are once before and you kept coming back without learning a lesson.

 

[hevensdragon]

You know who I meant, don't try to not understand me because of an accident. If you know what I'm throwing a "tantrum" over then you know my point. You went so far as to take a worse version of my own words and throw it back at me. And then you once again assume something of me that just can't be true if you actually read what I wrote.

The only reason I've gone so far is because other people agreed with your take an I wanted to point out the reason why "Akira wearing laced panties is silly." Unlike you I can put my point into a concise sentence. Maybe people can learn something from what I've been posting. Maybe you learned something for when you decide to take things seriously. All I know is that I've already called you out on what you are once before and you kept coming back without learning a lesson.

29° 32' 0.3768'' N and 31° 16' 14.5020'' E

 

[HawkGoggles]

29° 32' 0.3768'' N and 31° 16' 14.5020'' E

That's cute but you've stopped making a point. I honestly want to know what you think my problem is.

most likely what you have a problem with wouldn't be deemed acceptable and you know it would get you in trouble.

What does this mean? Put it into a concise sentence. And while you're at it, tell me what kind of point you were actually making because apparently I don't have a clue. Also in a concise sentence.

 

[VladDracul2]

 

[_Levs]

Love how stuff that doesn't obey laws of logic has more active comments than most normal stuff