Kuso Onna ni Sachiare - Ch. 93

[MangaDex]

 

[ale_city]

Honestly can't think of a much better response than Sunao's to that question, he has realized Lemon likes him again (more like she never got over him), at the same time feels conflicted between her and Natsumi. Honestly, Lemon is freaking bold asking that question.
One thing I think Sunao could've answered, together with the thing about looking at his face, was that he hasn't dated since they broke up (which Lemon knows since the summer break) and has pushed aside the idea because of the swap (which if I remember correctly, has been in a couple thought bubbles of both)

 

[NutzYaboku77]

The best option I can think of rn is Lemon and Sunao getting stuck in each other's body forever so everyone can be happy without the relationship being polygamous

 

[K_Takuya]

Lemon will read that dodge as "Sunao is being mindful but that's not the answer I want right now"
Like, honestly, anyone in Lemon's shoes should face the fact that she blew it and move on. Cutting off a relationship one sided means breaking trust, no matter the reason.

 

[3turtlesinacoat]

Id personally never ask someone im interested in if they have a crush on someone rn, it feels like theres only gonna be disappointing answers to that.

Also notably, the last time she asked him that question, he asked her back and she also dodged so what did she think was gonna happen lol.

 

[yourmanzstan]

Welp. If all the romances I’ve seen over the years have taught me anything .. it’s over Koga Bros.

Why can’t I tell her? .. You still love her.

It was a fun ride but I’ll see y’all at the end of the series. Now we’re simply waiting for Lemon to catch up to Kogahara as a better person let alone a love interest. I’m genuinely burnt out on the better option being cast aside just for the sake of development.

If it ends with Koga winning this will be in my Top 5. Lemon wins and it’ll just be another in the pile.

 

[Dennis-aka-Denji]

Like, honestly, anyone in Lemon's shoes should face the fact that she blew it and move on. Cutting off a relationship one sided means breaking trust, no matter the reason.

Your weekly reminder that they were literal children back then. You don't rule someone out as a friend for life because they called you a poopy-pants in kindergarten.

 

[yourmanzstan]

Lemon will read that dodge as "Sunao is being mindful but that's not the answer I want right now"
Like, honestly, anyone in Lemon's shoes should face the fact that she blew it and move on. Cutting off a relationship one sided means breaking tr

Your weekly reminder that they were literal children back then. You don't rule someone out as a friend for life because they called you a poopy-pants in kindergarten.

I don’t know if that example really works but I see what you’re saying 🤣

Child or not Lemon actively knew that it was wrong. It is breaking trust and not reaching out just hurts it even more. That’s equal blame on both sides for that one though.

 

[syketuri]

I guess it can be explained by magic or whatever, but if it holds that ONLY their consciousness are swapped, they should be able to “feel” what the other person does as well. Therefore Lemon or Sunao could try to test if there are any romantic feelings toward a specific person.

That is, Lemon, as Sunao, is bound by Sunao’s brain (only consciousness is swapped) hence thinking of Kogahara, or encountering her in person, should invoke the standard “butterflies”, increased heart rate, and other aspects of romantic feelings.

Likewise, Sunao, as Lemon, should be able to “feel” the romantic feelings that Lemon retains for him, because he’s only piloting Lemon’s body, which will naturally react to Sunao in the same ways.

This hasn’t really been explored as a plot point IIRC, but they should both in theory be totally aware of who’s crushing on who.

 

[Dennis-aka-Denji]

I guess it can be explained by magic or whatever, but if it holds that ONLY their consciousness are swapped, they should be able to “feel” what the other person does as well. Therefore Lemon or Sunao could try to test if there are any romantic feelings toward a specific person.

That is, Lemon, as Sunao, is bound by Sunao’s brain (only consciousness is swapped) hence thinking of Kogahara, or encountering her in person, should invoke the standard “butterflies”, increased heart rate, and other aspects of romantic feelings.

Likewise, Sunao, as Lemon, should be able to “feel” the romantic feelings that Lemon retains for him, because he’s only piloting Lemon’s body, which will naturally react to Sunao in the same ways.

This hasn’t really been explored as a plot point IIRC, but they should both in theory be totally aware of who’s crushing on who.

This is the kind of nonsense only someone high as a kite could think of and then deem it worthy of actually writing it down.

 

[yourmanzstan]

This is the kind of nonsense only someone high as a kite could think of and then deem it worthy of actually writing it down.

Don’t hype it 🤣 It’s actually hilarious how Mizuki basically said fuck it this ain’t Bunny Girl Senpai and rarely if ever really addressed it. There is no supernatural element to this manga at all which is just hilarious. They switch bodies and like what .. 15 chapters later it’s basically just ehh whatever. Rarely questioned and never looked into whatsoever.

 

[fight2live]

holy shit he's learning!

 

[syketuri]

This is the kind of nonsense only someone high as a kite could think of and then deem it worthy of actually writing it down.

There is no supernatural element to this manga at all which is just hilarious… Rarely questioned and never looked into whatsoever.

I suppose my little paragraph thought through the body swapping more than the author did. Of course it sounded like rambling.

 

[K_Takuya]

Your weekly reminder that they were literal children back then. You don't rule someone out as a friend for life because they called you a poopy-pants in kindergarten.

I mean, a girl who was a boy's best friend for basically their whole childhood, who grew romantic interest in her and was basically being a decent bf if not a good bf for the whole romantic relationship, only to be broken up by the girl without any clear precedent, rhyme, reason or even explanation, does allat looks like the equivalent of a kindergartener's "poopypants" name calling to you?

Cause what I see is years of trust built since childhood being broken 1-sidedly. And it's way worse than years of trust being broken as an adult, because 10 years worth of trust in a 15 year old child is perceived basically as 2/3rds of their whole life. Like, there's a reason why people as an adult spends thousands of dollars for therapy over something that happened back when they're in grade school.

Idk man, seems like you have the introspective capability equivalent to a goldfish.

 

[Dennis-aka-Denji]

I suppose my little paragraph thought through the body swapping more than the author did. Of course it sounded like rambling.

I mean, it sounds like rambling because it makes no sense, not because I was overwhelmed by the amount of thought you put into your theory or whatever. I don't mean this in a mean way or anything, I just think you got carried away and you're not seeing the forest for the trees. The author definitely went with a "their souls swapped" solution and didn't care about the particulars of it, but that doesn't mean that any description of it you come up with makes sense.

If I got it correctly, you're looking at it as if their brains are hardware, and only their software got swapped, which is already weird because the links between the neurons in your brain literally are your software. You don't get to be the same person in another brain unless that brain is rewired physically, a.k.a. the software of human consciousness isn't hardware-agnostic. Their brains would have to be rewired to mirror their original brain for this to work at all, so there would not be any leftover influence.

I mean, you can't go and say the laws of physics apply to this so their brains/bodies still exhibit signs of infatuation independant of their consciousness, but then ignore said laws of logic/common sense/physics etc when they stipulate that the only way the consciousness swap could ever work is if their brains are physically altered and therefore don't influence the new host (not to mention the hormonal glands which if left unaltered would fundamentally change their personalities when body-swapped).

So it's either A: it's a magical soul swap, the rules of physics don't apply so neither does your theory; or B: the swap follows the laws of science and can therefore only work if their brains are altered with every swap, so there's nothing left over where the physical effects of infatuation could hide, seeing as both software and hardware got altered. Either it's all science or none of it is. In all likelihood the author chose A, so arguing about it through the lens of logic ans science is kind of a waste of time.

 

[Dennis-aka-Denji]

I mean, a girl who was a boy's best friend for basically their whole childhood, who grew romantic interest in her and was basically being a decent bf if not a good bf for the whole romantic relationship, only to be broken up by the girl without any clear precedent, rhyme, reason or even explanation, does allat looks like the equivalent of a kindergartener's "poopypants" name calling to you?

Cause what I see is years of trust built since childhood being broken 1-sidedly. And it's way worse than years of trust being broken as an adult, because 10 years worth of trust in a 15 year old child is perceived basically as 2/3rds of their whole life. Like, there's a reason why people as an adult spends thousands of dollars for therapy over something that happened back when they're in grade school.

Idk man, seems like you have the introspective capability equivalent to a goldfish.

People go to therapy exactly because they want to come to terms with their trauma, accept it and move on. The MC has also managed that and now holds no grudge against Lemon (although you seem very intent on doing it in his stead). The crucial difference between these people and the MC on one hand, and you on the other, is that you seem unable to understand the concepts of forgiveness and moving on and so you're puzzled by others displaying them. To you and other manchildren, letting go of a grudge just seems like denying yourself one of life's pleasures. It's a waste of a good pitty-party. So much so that you get angry even if a fictional character does it.

Perhaps you can harness some of that bountiful "instrospective capability" of yours and think about what that says about your emotional maturity.

 

[K_Takuya]

you seem unable to understand the concepts of forgiveness and moving on

OOOOOh, now everything makes sense. You think forgiveness and moving on means jumping in the same exact relationship that got one having trust issues in the first place is ok.
Idk man that's more telling about YOU more than anything

 

[Jagabond]

I suppose my little paragraph thought through the body swapping more than the author did. Of course it sounded like rambling.

I mean, it sounds like rambling because it makes no sense, not because I was overwhelmed by the amount of thought you put into your theory or whatever. I don't mean this in a mean way or anything, I just think you got carried away and you're not seeing the forest for the trees. The author definitely went with a "their souls swapped" solution and didn't care about the particulars of it, but that doesn't mean that any description of it you come up with makes sense.

If I got it correctly, you're looking at it as if their brains are hardware, and only their software got swapped, which is already weird because the links between the neurons in your brain literally are your software. You don't get to be the same person in another brain unless that brain is rewired physically, a.k.a. the software of human consciousness isn't hardware-agnostic. Their brains would have to be rewired to mirror their original brain for this to work at all, so there would not be any leftover influence.

I mean, you can't go and say the laws of physics apply to this so their brains/bodies still exhibit signs of infatuation independant of their consciousness, but then ignore said laws of logic/common sense/physics etc when they stipulate that the only way the consciousness swap could ever work is if their brains are physically altered and therefore don't influence the new host (not to mention the hormonal glands which if left unaltered would fundamentally change their personalities when body-swapped).

So it's either A: it's a magical soul swap, the rules of physics don't apply so neither does your theory; or B: the swap follows the laws of science and can therefore only work if their brains are altered with every swap, so there's nothing left over where the physical effects of infatuation could hide, seeing as both software and hardware got altered. Either it's all science or none of it is. In all likelihood the author chose A, so arguing about it through the lens of logic ans science is kind of a waste of time.

Around chapter 40 or so when they were revealing the swap to Kogahara they tried to use Lemon's disgust of Natto and Sunao's like of it as proof that they had exchanged bodies.

They found out however that Lemon's body outright rejected the Natto despite Sunao's consciousness being inside of it, and in an off-hand line on the same page Lemon in Sunao's body comments that the scent of the Natto is not as repulsive as it usually is, implying that being in Sunao's body had the effect of making Natto more palatable with the vice versa for Sunao's consciousness in Lemon being the case.

This would suggest that something subconsciously or bodily is left behind in the original body when the original consciousness departs from it. The extent of this however is unclear because this is, as far as I remember, the only instance in the entire manga were this is brought up, alluded to, or significant in any way. We know that they don't take up each other's habits and skills because, to two examples, Sunao's lack of skill at cooking transfers over to when he's Lemon and he can't understand her advanced classes despite his consciousness assumingly inhabiting her brain. It goes without saying by now that they don't inherit each other's memories as-well.

What I'm trying to say here is that its wildly inconsistent. If their brains entirely are swapping Sunao should have had no issue eating that Natto, but it can't be their consciousness as Denji here already explained. However, Soul swapping also does not entirely make sense because, again, they inherit things like flavor preferences from the host consciousness implying something is inhabiting the brain. Despite this they don't inherit everything the brain should grant them. inconsistent.

You're both right in ways. The mechanics of the swapping does not hold up magically nor scientifically however Syketuri's suggestion abides by the rules of what has been implied and is thus not entirely implausible.