Kuuki ga "Yomeru" Shinnyushain to Buaiso na Senpai no Hanashi (Serialization) - Vol. 5 Ch. 58

[MangaDex]

 

[PseudoAngel]

While bro has reasonable argument, offices generally works as a unit ; if something goes different, it's expected for the workers to communicate, like when he discussed about working methods at the middle of the chapter.

There's also a matter about how initiatives in japan companies are usually depicted as unnecessary/not the norm compared to, say, the states

 

[MrIncognito]

Yeah, if this one single incident made him always follow instructions or at least communicate, it's fine, but if this guy is prone to not following instructions without telling anyone because he personally felt he should be doing something else, he's gonna be a problem.

 

[Kaarme]

I have never worked in Japan, but based on everything I believe I know, if a senior employee is placed in charge of making a new employee get used to the place and go through all the things new employees have always done, then if the new employee just skips and changes stuff on their own, it will make the senior employee in charge lose face. It would naturally have the same effect everywhere in the world to some degree, but effectively more so in East Asia.

 

[ugonna100]

It's not like she said he was wrong in the end, its more that they're not compatible. She follows the rules normally, he has the confidence to just straight up do what he wants if he thinks its better. Sometimes thats good but thats not how she operates as a mentor.

Regardless, what he did here is no-go. You can't skip training at a company just because you realize its redundant or useless (which you know... it usually is). Her suggesting they go to HR to try and change it is actually pretty novel, when she could(should) have just told him to do it anyway since training is just a checkmark... not actually something useful.

 

[Apep23]

Ooh, interesting take tulip, he might you know

 

[Hikineet]

Thanks for the chapter.

 

[SatchelBagman]

Unless I'm forgetting how it worked with the previous instances, I'm pretty sure this guy can't read emotions like Shino can.

Adding to the above discussion about best practices for going through basic box-checking training, unless his comment at the end was a particularly liberal translation it's generally considered unprofessional to openly talk shit about the way a coworker, supervisor, employer, or business partner does things, particularly in the office during work hours.

Like, it'd be one thing if he just said "Thank you for being flexible about this," but "If you hadn't proposed a middle ground I would've thought you were [unflattering description at best, outright insult at worst]" simply Ain't It.

 

[Treswimming]

This guy ain’t it man… Those seemingly insignificant things have a snowball effect in the office. I wouldn’t be able to trust him with Jack shit if he decides to go rouge whenever he doesn’t agree with something.

 

[iskaeil]

He probably can't read minds, I think he's just manipulative. I can't speak to the office culture in Japan, but saying "I'm glad you aren't a stick in the mud manager" puts pressure on her to appease him in the future, rather than the other way around. Probably senses that she's a people pleaser and won't scold him, so he's taking advantage to get his way.

Whether skipping the training is harmful or not is ehh. Maybe they don't get paid for training, and/or he's trying to rush his own training phase so he can start making commission (if that's applicable to the job?). So possibly an understandable take, but the polite and proper thing to do would have been to check with her before skipping the training since she might get in trouble. After all, if he makes a mistake later, they are going to see a step was skipped in training and blame her for not supervising properly,. Because if she let him skip a step, what else did she let slide during training that led to the mistake? So what he did was rude.

 

[HaxtonFale]

I don't think I'd brush it up all the way to being manipulative, just a bit... cavalier. From a practical standpoint he's not necessarily wrong, it's just that there are other aspects to it than practicality and navigating office politics is something one has to learn one way or another.

 

[VINT64]

basic course, practical course, practical training...I'm getting lost in terms. What are they even talking about. They're courses of what?

 

[Sollertia_]

Heh, so what if test contents overlap? Imagine being a vendor who has to go through all of their clients' identical on boardings and trainings for compliance reasons. Ts is corporate normality.

 

[PseudoAngel]

basic course, practical course, practical training...I'm getting lost in terms. What are they even talking about. They're courses of what?

They're onboarding training for the newly joined employee.

Bro skipped training A cause the contents look pretty similar to training B