Kuzu Rouninsei, Jinsei ga Tsurai no de Yoru no Onee-san wo Yondemita - Vol. 6 Ch. 64 - Scumbag's Capacity

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For choosing to read a manga about girl having a romance with a sex worker, a lot of people here sure hate and judge sex workers...
If I had a nickel for every time I heard someone judge sex workers on a mangadex thread for a manga about sex workers, I’d have two nickels. It’s not a lot, but it’s weird that it’s happened twice.
 
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For choosing to read a manga about girl having a romance with a sex worker, a lot of people here sure hate and judge sex workers...
And then there's those who are shocked that Makino isn't nearly as bothered as they are. Dumbfounded, even. There's at least a couple every chapter. At this point, it's just been funny. Mashiro is easily the nicest, most well adjusted person in the manga and that is the point.

Anyway, toxic mom worked hard for her nickname so I say she earned it. Might as well reward her with it. Good job Makino.
 
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And then there's those who are shocked that Makino isn't nearly as bothered as they are. Dumbfounded, even. There's at least a couple every chapter. At this point, it's just been funny. Mashiro is easily the nicest, most well adjusted person in the manga and that is the point.
It's almost like they're just here for the fetishising aspect of hooking up with a hot sex worker and seeing the spicy scenes, but when it comes down to it they're judgmental of her lifestyle as if they don't think she should/can have a normal, functioning relationship outside her job :notlikethis: Who would have thought.
 
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It's almost like they're just here for the fetishising aspect of hooking up with a hot sex worker and seeing the spicy scenes, but when it comes down to it they're judgmental of her lifestyle as if they don't think she should/can have a normal, functioning relationship outside her job :notlikethis: Who would have thought.
"You're telling me I'm supposed to believe this sex worker is human!? Nice and a hard worker? And someone can actually date her, like normal, while she still works!? Without much issue? She's not the real scumbag here? No way that's breaks my suspension of disbelief. That defeats the purpose."

What's the purpose? Idk. Actually, I do know but it's never a good purpose. It's better to ignore that stuff and just enjoy it. In my experience here those discussions don't go anywhere unexpected. I say that but last chapter I did comment about it, so I'm a hypocrite. Maybe I'm the true scumbag!?
 
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If I had a nickel for every time I heard someone judge sex workers on a mangadex thread for a manga about sex workers, I’d have two nickels. It’s not a lot, but it’s weird that it’s happened twice.
I mean you make it sound like the 'Sex Worker' Theme in here is still the main topic, but it stopped being the Main Focus right now and the way it was going it's not surprising, if people were to thing she'd stop doing that sort of work while about to start a relationship (Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'd say its different when someone single does it and someone in a relationship ,where there is a partner, maybe its just my bias)
 
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I mean you make it sound like the 'Sex Worker' Theme in here is still the main topic, but it stopped being the Main Focus right now and the way it was going it's not surprising, if people were to thing she'd stop doing that sort of work while about to start a relationship (Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'd say its different when someone single does it and someone in a relationship ,where there is a partner, maybe its just my bias)
Plenty of sex workers have normal relationships and sex lives outside their job, and Makino has yet to express discomfort with it or express that it's a dealbreaker at all. The only part of it she openly doesn't like is that they see each other less, which seems to be okay now that they're part-timing together. If people expected her to stop that's really their own bias showing, not based on what Makino wants.
 
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I mean you make it sound like the 'Sex Worker' Theme in here is still the main topic, but it stopped being the Main Focus right now
Yes, that's the point. So you agree. Its not the main focus. Yet it's still brought up in comments anyway when it's long been clear that it's not the focus of drama between our MCs, just like you said. So yes, it shouldn't be brought up much by now. Tell that to the original complaining comments that we're responding to. Fully agree.
(Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'd say its different when someone single does it and someone in a relationship ,where there is a partner, maybe its just my bias)
And that's fine, it's not about being "wrong." That's a personal choice but Makino has made her personal choice beyond clear after 64 chapters. She doesn't care nearly as much. At most it's a small thing for her.

Yet, some seem to think that's impossible or a character flaw that the story needs to "fix," between the two of them. You know "defeating the purpose," and all that. In reality we already know she's not doing this indefinitely anyway and her actual GF does not care that much (she's not dating you, me or these commenters). So we agree, it's really a non issue. In full agreement with you.
 
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Honestly, idk if she still do the deliver heath thing. But it is fair to start consider she quite the work after in a serious relationship. My people have a saying 'Hit person who run away, never hit the person who stay/comeback" and "Marry a bitch to be a wife, never marry wife to be bitch"
 
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Honestly, idk if she still do the deliver heath thing. But it is fair to start consider she quite the work after in a serious relationship. My people have a saying 'Hit person who run away, never hit the person who stay/comeback" and "Marry a bitch to be a wife, never marry wife to be bitch"
It's not necessarily fair when you remember that school's expensive and Makino still has a lot of growing up to do. It's a compromise that Makino has to live with until they are on more stable footing to live on just the proceeds from the Cafe alone.

It isn't about cheating or stringing Makino's heart along. It is about the reality of the situation, that you need a safety net before you can just quit your job, regardless of your feelings of it or what you do in it.
 
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"I need to get my 10 hours of sleep", quality "me irl" moment. Of course how much sleep you need comes down to genetics and health issues, or at least this is what I tell myself every day to make myself feel better.

I also liked that they acknowledged that it's not purely a willpower thing where everyone could suck it up and work long days if they cared enough. The people who do it successfully are the ones who have both more motivation and more ability. I don't think I've ever seen a manga or anime acknowledge that.

Usually the grizzled NEET goes straight into their adventure or works as soon as is most dramatic in the story and rarely do we see the type of persistent limitations that led to their NEET status in the first place and that they have to work around long term. Same with the social skills where she's having to learn how to actually handle these situations and not let it be obvious that she secretly gives no fucks, as it's not enough for her to simply force herself to interact.


"You're telling me I'm supposed to believe this sex worker is human!? Nice and a hard worker? And someone can actually date her, like normal, while she still works!? Without much issue? She's not the real scumbag here? No way that's breaks my suspension of disbelief. That defeats the purpose."

What's the purpose? Idk. Actually, I do know but it's never a good purpose. It's better to ignore that stuff and just enjoy it. In my experience here those discussions don't go anywhere unexpected. I say that but last chapter I did comment about it, so I'm a hypocrite. Maybe I'm the true scumbag!?
People's reactions aside, I think it makes sense to question if she will start caring once they're in a relationship. Like it should definitely be "a conversation," not necessarily one where Makino offers to compromise, but where they both make sure they are on the same page to avoid future problems.

Plenty of people in the sex industry do avoid dating, some of the women who date women will only work with male clients to keep that emotionally separate, etc. Likewise, plenty of people outside the industry would be okay with a past history of work inside it, especially if it's just to get into or through college and not a long term plan, but not want it going on during an active relationship. To me none of that is wrong, though neither is it wrong for Mashiro to not care about it.

I do get the sense it bothers Mashiro a little bit and she would prefer Makino not be doing this for the rest of her life, but it seems to bother her a lot less than, say, having to Moe-kyun random men when she'd rather be on her phone.

Yet, some seem to think that's impossible or a character flaw that the story needs to "fix," between the two of them. You know "defeating the purpose," and all that. In reality we already know she's not doing this indefinitely anyway and her actual GF does not care that much (she's not dating you, me or these commenters). So we agree, it's really a non issue. In full agreement with you.
I had a negative interaction with someone on here, or at least I experienced it that way, and was confused by it. Then I remembered I often get very negative reactions when I criticize protagonists or defend antagonists- or even simply try to understand antagonists beyond "fuck them". Naturally I don't need people to agree with me or flatter my ego, but many of the people getting upset with me would actively applaud me if I was defending a protagonist or criticizing an antagonist for the same reasons in a different story.

After doing some reading, the explanation I found is that, when people read a story, they are imagining themselves as the protagonist and taking on their role in the story. Obviously lots of works cater to this impulse (the isekais, the slow lives, most computer games, etc). However, even in the other types of stories, people are generally imagining themselves as the protagonist, often subconsciously and without realizing.

So, by dating the protagonist, she is kind of dating "us", even if people aren't aware they're thinking about it that way. Plus who wouldn't want to date Mashiro, subconsciously or otherwise, heh.
 
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I might be the only person who interpreted the "defeats the purpose" comment as Mashiro still working at delivery health despite Makino suggesting the part-time job so Mashiro could stop working there (or work there less) because in the last chapter, Makino is 1. jealous (of the clients), and 2. worried they would get to see each other less often. So, speaking of Makino's wishes, I guess she is not completely "okay" with it?
 

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