Kyoto-ben Nanoni Shoujiki Sugiru Onna - Ch. 20

[MangaDex]

 

[bluewallblacktile]

Verily, I proclaim unto thee -- we have caught up with the latest chapter, brave lads and gentle maidens alike!

 

[zedian45]

Just plap her for the love of god.

 

[Nehona]

Just plap her for the love of god.

That is not enough.

Just make her pregnant and marry her already

 

[lolganer]

is kyoto dialect supposed to be to sound sarcastic or something different?, genuine questionnn

 

[Techno97]

is kyoto dialect supposed to be to sound sarcastic or something different?, genuine questionnn

No idea, but maybe if we can compare between americian English and Irish English, then that will be much more funny.

Irish tend to more blunt but harder to understand due to the the thick accent, IMO.

 

[bluewallblacktile]

is kyoto dialect supposed to be to sound sarcastic or something different?, genuine questionnn

more soft / polite than rest of the dialects

 

[MonstaMaps]

No idea, but maybe if we can compare between americian English and Irish English, then that will be much more funny.

Irish tend to more blunt but harder to understand due to the the thick accent, IMO.

i just imagine she is using cockney rhyming slang

 

[nljm]

This guy is too dense even for a manga protagonist bruh

 

[xaraphina]

They hand you a bomb that only has white wires and tell you to cut the red one. The kind of men you want to be with cannot comprehend ambiguity.

 

[2662]

more soft / polite than rest of the dialects

Why does that make him seem to always think the opposite of what shes saying? Does she sound like shes complaining politely or smth?

 

[nljm]

is kyoto dialect supposed to be to sound sarcastic or something different?, genuine questionnn

From the user parenthesis8ago of the forum post of the first chapter:
https://forums.mangadex.org/threads/kyoto-ben-na-no-ni-shoujiki-sugiru-onna-ch-1.2007876/

For those who don't know Kyoto Accent is usually stereotypically associated with sarcasm or hidden meaning, so whenever someone speaks in a Kyoto accent;

Like here in ch 1, she says "You are so kind, I have affection for people like you" would be taken as the person speaking in Kyoto accent being offended of you and actually meaning to say in a subtle way "Wow how rude, I hate your type of people"

Then there's "I've never met anyone as kind as you" which would probably convert Kind to either Rude or terrible

From sarusa

Kind of but the other way? Instead of saying something is shit to mean it's good, it's just the stereotype that anything overly nice a Kyoto person says to you is probably a condescending insult.

So more like conservative American south, where 'Well BLESS your little heart' means 'die in a hail of gunfire, you piece of shit' or 'Well aren't you special' means 'you are the stupidest asshole on the planet'. And often said by people who think they're righteous and smart, but are not at all. Which is another similarly

 

[BlackTileBlueWall]

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[lolganer]

From the user parenthesis8ago of the forum post of the first chapter:
https://forums.mangadex.org/threads/kyoto-ben-na-no-ni-shoujiki-sugiru-onna-ch-1.2007876/

From sarusa

ah thank youu

 

[AzumaKeiichi]

Haruhi:

 

[popo53414]

 

[WANgue]

is kyoto dialect supposed to be to sound sarcastic or something different?, genuine questionnn

Well, it’s not that the dialect is sarcastic - it’s that the people in Kyoto has a reputation for being a bunch of condescending backtalkers - In terms of dialect it’s still Japanese, but it’s just that the word selections are more dainty and the way how the sentences are constructed are more elaborate, which makes you feel like you are being talked down upon. If you’ve ever watched the British sitcom “Keeping up appearances” it’s how the main character Hyacinth Bucket (pronounced Boo-Kay by her and no one else) goes around trying to sound more posh and condescending than her middle class standings…which is in major contrast to her lower class roots.

Why do people from Kyoto get that reputation? Kyoto was Japan’s imperial capital for 1300 years but for about 1000 of it, it was a national capital in name only. The emperor, the bureaucrats and the aristocracy is based there (along with a majority of the wealth) but the actual governance took place with the Samurai boys in either Edo or Kamakura castle. Either both the emperor and the shogun agrees and things get done, or they disagree and either ignore each other or they engage in proxy wars against each other, and it was the case all the way to 1867 when the Shogunate was abolished (mostly because the Samurai demonstrated weakness to outside powers and made themselves irrelevant).


For a large chunk of Japanese history it was the aristocrats in Kyoto playing political games with the bureaucracy while simultaneously making backroom deals with whatever samurai families out there to get an edge over each other, and as such, today’s political enemies might be tomorrow’s boss, and Kyoto folks are almost always seen by outsiders (even in modern times) as eternally hedging their bets for survival by being outwardly pleasant to all while being non-commital to much - condescending, hard to read and holding a hidden agenda, someone you really have to make sure to never turn your back upon.

That’s why Edokkos (the offsprings of laborers and shopkeepers in Tokyo’s lower class eastern wards - stereotypically poor but proud and earnest) or the Yamanotes (the small lords and samurai on Tokyo’s western foothills - stereotypically cool and reserved) are almost seem like the ultimate foils to a classic Kyoto native.

 

[MarqFJA87]

From the user parenthesis8ago of the forum post of the first chapter:
https://forums.mangadex.org/threads/kyoto-ben-na-no-ni-shoujiki-sugiru-onna-ch-1.2007876/

From sarusa

NGL, if that's what the dialect is supposed to be like, then the attempt to render it by this translator and even the previous one fell completely flat. From the first chapter, there was barely any difference at the best of times between her Kyôtô dialectal speech and the normal dialect used by Haruhi and later herself.

 

[MrTurtleMan]

Her dialect is thick? Don't you mean accent? I've never heard of a "thick dialect" before

 

[DestroyerK]

My guy, she is speaking clear English, can you not read!?