Kyou wa Kanojo ga Inai kara - Vol. 7 Ch. 34 - A Plea For Carefreeness

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Also is hilarious how in all of 34 chapters, we got what is supposedly the most happy couple bonding, most wholesome environment building without any drama queens (Yuni who) and the discussion toxicity level here is firing in all cylinders.

happy couple bonding
without any drama queens

Oh, you mean when Nanase let herself be dragged off by Yuki and left Yuni alone for the majority of the chapter among a group of strangers?

Or did you just only read pages 1-6, and then page 22 and skipped everything else?
 
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The most ridiculous analogy I’ve ever seen.
The example you gave only works if the wife must depend on her abusive husband for a living, or fears she would be killed if she tries to leave him—or both. Is there any obstacle preventing Yuni from talking about her feelings regarding how Nanase treated her, or from breaking up with Nanase? No, there isn’t. A proper analogy should not require the character to be trapped in some unavoidable way. Otherwise, it doesn’t fit. A more appropriate analogy would be a wife who kills her husband solely because he humiliated her or refused to listen to her, not because she was forced or threatened. Yes, the husband is bad, but does that make him deserve to die??? Similarly, Nanase should be blamed for not noticing Yuni’s feelings, but she didn’t deserve to be cheated on.

In Yuni's situation, cheating was a choice, not an inevitability.

You guys are really out of your minds trying to make Yuni’s cheating seem not that bad. Yeah, why not? Otherwise, it all shows that Yuni actually is a disgusting person. She cheated only because she felt lonely. Even if she somehow ended up with Fuuko, she would definitely cheat again if Fuuko didn’t—or couldn’t—give her enough attention.

In Nanase's situation, being a shit girlfriend was a choice, not an inevitability.

"two wrongs don't make a right", yes, blah blah blah
I just want to make certain that you and all the other Nanase Defenders understand why people are pushing back on the "Yuni's an unforgivable cunt" rhetoric.

Because without Nanase's bullshittery and dumbass behavior from chapter 1 onward, Yuni wouldn't have been put in the position where Fuuko could have accomplished what she did.

And yes, Yuni did try to talk to Nanase about what she didn't like about their relationship. Nanase just said "okay" and proceeded to be a dumbass.

Yuni does love Nanase; and she's been trying to make it work ever since Nanase took her back from Fuuko (yeah - Nanase made that choice. Go back and read that chapter again if you have to.)
And of course, Nanase proceeds to, from that point, spend almost all her time with Yuki instead, treating Yuni basically the same as she did before.

But yes, "cheating is wrong" and apparently that's the only thing anyone can actually see when they're reading this, context and nuance be damned.

And for the record - yeah. Yuni's a bad person who made bad choices regarding Fuuko. Before anyone tries to twist my words once again and pretend that media literacy and the ability to critically analyze a narrative is some forgotten talent.
 
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Oh, you mean when Nanase let herself be dragged off by Yuki and left Yuni alone for the majority of the chapter among a group of strangers?

Or did you just only read pages 1-6, and then page 22 and skipped everything else?
On that note of toxicity, you starting to come across jaded in your posts.

Did you just omit the part where I say in all 34 chapters, we aren't being force fed drama with shoe-horn plot devices and we get somewhat wholesome chapter for once? I get is your mission to convince everyone here that Nanase is not a victimless person but that doesn't mean to assume on someone else's part when another user did so on your previous post, one which I disagree with too and find your post more level headed.

I, for once enjoy a chapter, a break from all the highschool drama being injected to our veins with a more subtle or not subtle, reveal of their inner working relationship. Not everything has to be cliff-hanger or the drama level crank to a 1000. Understandably, that is how this manga manage to stay alive and hook it's fanbase.
 
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Damn there are many essays in this comments xd, time to put mine :02:

I'm starting to get a bit confused as to why Nanase still chooses to be with Yuni, it feels like she forgot that she was going to change to make Yuni happy but always trips on the same stone, making the same mistake of allowing others to get her attention even though she is supposed to be spending time with Yuni.
I really like her tbh, but at the same time it's so hard to defend her when it comes to her relationship with Yuni, because it feels like she creates this idea that everything with Yuni is ok despite knowing that Yuni cheated because of the lack of attention she puts on her and their relationship. Not being able to make it different from her other relationship with her friends apart from the title of 'Girlfriend'. I'm not going to defend Yuni either cuz I don't like her at all, I might sympathise with her a bit (specially in this chapter), but at the same time I don't really do because she was doing the same stuff (more specifically cheating) with Fuuko (before and after she reconciled with Nanase). With Yuki, I feel she has good intentions, she wants what's best for Nanase, but she fails to respect Nanase's decision to stay with Yuni (even tho it would be better if they weren't) and tries to force/speed their breakup. Overstepping her boundaries as a friend, and because she knows that Nanase is too oblivious to notice what her intentions really are, she takes advantage of this, and she ends up just as intrusive as Fuuko was being during like 1/3 of the manga.

Tbh it's been a while since I read this manga, and there might be some parts I mention where I'm wrong (english is not my first language so I might had interpreted something wrong). But, so far this is kinda what I think of most of the characters.
(Still hoping Nanase and Yuki end up together tho :win:)
 
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Well, I actually stopped sympathizing with Nanase the moment she decided to give Yuni a second chance. Just like I never felt sorry for how Nanase treated Yuni, because Yuni could always choose to break up with her at any time.

To me, Nanase is the kind of girlfriend I can accept—she’s loyal, gentle, and has her own life. I appreciate that she wouldn’t give up her dreams or passions for her girlfriend, or set boundaries with her best friend just because she’s in a relationship. Yuni, on the other hand, needs someone who always revolves around her as if she’s the only center of their world. I don’t think that’s wrong, but she should find someone without big dreams who can spend most of their time with her.

However, once a cheater, always a cheater. I don’t think most people could build a happy life with Yuni. So honestly, I do think Fuuko is a far more better choice—considering she might be okay with Yuni cheating on her lol.
 
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To me, Nanase is the kind of girlfriend I can accept—she’s loyal, gentle, and has her own life. I appreciate that she wouldn’t give up her dreams or passions for her girlfriend, or set boundaries with her best friend just because she’s in a relationship.
if she is so loyal than why did she lie to Yuni while she was in the nurses office so she could have lunch alone with Yuki. Lied again during sports day practice for the same reason. Even took Yuki on the date she promised Yuni. That to say anything about the stuff that you could defend if you think boundaries don't matter.

Yuni, on the other hand, needs someone who always revolves around her as if she’s the only center of their world.
I'M curious what part of the manga made you feel this way? I've read this repeatedly most of it more than a dozen times. Yuni wants some attention, but that doesn't mean she wants to be the center of her world. She just doesn't want to feel like she's in a relationship alone. Unless you read something different then I did.
 
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To me, Nanase is the kind of girlfriend I can accept—she’s loyal, gentle, and has her own life. I appreciate that she wouldn’t give up her dreams or passions for her girlfriend, or set boundaries with her best friend just because she’s in a relationship.
See, that's the problem I think some ppl have with Nanase. If her girlfriend has emotional needs that requires her to set up boundaries with friends, or compromise her passion, yet she can't make sacrifises, why bother being in a relationship anymore? Being loyal alone doesn't make you a good partner. If you neglect your partner's needs then it's still a toxic relationship, and demanding your partner's loyalty in a toxic relationship is just unrealistic.
Yuni, on the other hand, needs someone who always revolves around her
I don't think needing your partner to remember your anniversary is anything too much to ask for. If anything, Yuni made more of an effort to revolve around Nanase, which most of the time gets taken for granted (like during the volleyball match arc and now chapter 34).

Also I'd argue that the reason Yuni (appears to) needs others' attention more is simply because that's what she lacks. Yuni only has Nanase (and Fukko to a certain degree, plus her mom when she's at home), but Nanase has all the love from her families and friends. I think this contrast has been well established over the run of this manga.

Having different needs from relationships is normal, but this is something both Nanase and Yuni failed to realize over and over again, even after them getting back together. If anything them getting back together makes things worse and I'll agree with you on this part.
I actually stopped sympathizing with Nanase the moment she decided to give Yuni a second chance
 
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I don't think needing your partner to remember your anniversary is anything too much to ask for. If anything, Yuni made more of an effort to revolve around Nanase, which most of the time gets taken for granted (like during the volleyball match arc and now chapter 34).
Correct me if I'm mistaken but it wasn't a anniversary technically. It was their 6th month-sary being together, a highschool novelist idea at most, certainly not the norm for a lot of people.

Another tidbit I think y'all have forgot, in the very beginning, chpt 0.1, it was Yuni who approach Nanase. She was the first person to compliment on Nanase's new hair style when she was lamenting her choice.

The answer is clear as day, these girls are not meant to be together. Not because one is shittier than the other or trying to split hairs on whose more to blame...when these two are simply on parallel paths that will never cross. Now that would make too much sense if the author grants the audience wishes by having them split apart and hook-up with your prefer shipping...that would make a very short series...which means less sexy yuri time for me and we simply can't have that, no siree, nuh-uh, let the author keep dangling that prospect for us, so as long this doesn't become repetitive and ridiculous.
 
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Correct me if I'm mistaken but it wasn't a anniversary technically. It was their 6th month-sary being together, a highschool novelist idea at most, certainly not the norm for a lot of people.
It was an anniversary to them they messaged at midnight every month. As far Yuni complmenting Natsume I don't see how that's relevant. Natsume is the one who persuade Yuni. They both say that. Natsume also promises to never forget the date. Yuni reminds her the day they become involved she'd consider it a betrayal if she forgot. So how big of a deal to most is irrelevant we know how important it is to Yuni and that at one point Natsume had agreed.
 
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That chapter is somewhat wholesome but inspite of what Nanase did : it's all thanks to her mom actually caring about the kid doing all the cooking alone.
This is extremely reminiscent of the chapter where Yuni invited Nanase to a festival and her whole band ended up coming. Nanase, although she acknowledges that she is simply doesn't do enough (which is fairly basic), that is, spending time together. She literally abandoned Yuni to do the cooking chores instead of you know, inviting her to have a good time by the river or with her dogs ? Being a gracious host to a guest ?

Honestly, for people not minding Nanase's behaviour here : imagine your lover invited you to do something like a canoeing, suddenly they ditch you with their friends to go play by the river. Meanwhile, the instructor comes and grabs you : you're inflating those canoes, installing the boards, etc, you're carrying them to the river, with the only help of instructor (if you're wondering, that shiet can weigh), suddenly your lover comes up and says “oh why didn't you join us to play a bit ?”
What is your honest reaction to that ?

She is sweet probably (with that nickname Nappi) but not to her lover : as people already pointed it out, she let Yuni deal with the whole travel and lodging alone just to see her play and not even hang out after the matches.
Let's scale it up : imagine your lover asked you (quite forcefully) to go to another country for a whole month so that you can spectate whatever they're doing (a match, a conference, anything). But you'll be staying in different hotels, you'll have no direct contact with them, so no dates or visiting the country together for the evening or any free day. They ask you that a month before the departure.
On the other hand, you don't have a lot of savings and your job is minimal wages.
The normal answer to that is : “are you dumb ? unless you're going to include me in the group travel or something”. But because Yuni has a really strong idea on love and Nanase's wording, she felt like she had to, for her, and she effectively did.
Now imagine you actually went through all that trouble (depending on the country, a visa, the money to pay a hotel for a month, the plane ticket, etc) and your lover didn't feel grateful but indeed thought it was a given when you effectively went up and beyond for them.

Yuni needs to reveal all that to a no-nonsense friend (secret be damned) who'd be able to convince her to simply break up, help them both out that this relationship just ain't it.

As to the prologue : you clearly see that Nanase was getting flustered by the compliment Yuni gave to her haircut. To me, it certainly seems more like Nanase was the one who began to fall in love, because Yuni was doing something fairly basic, give a compliment when you see something worth it, gave her confidence ; something that her own friends didn't give. So Nanase isn't a pure volleyballhead, she has some sensitivity about her style, her appearance.
On the other hand, i think i remember in a chapter (the one where they're in a different city) that Yuni, who put up a lot of effort in make-up, hair, clothes, say something like “you're different”. If that's not a literal douche answer then, i don't know.
 
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Just got into this, and boy do I love some toxic yuri, and this just has so many layers of toxicity that it's a veritable toxic lasagna. It's also funny to see some of these takes in the comments. There's those who will forever hate Yuni for cheating, because in their minds, nothing is worse than a cheater, and just not pay attention to how bad and cowardly Nanase is. Also just overlooking that they're all teenagers (except maybe that music teacher if she's involved and just really upping the gay miasma levels here).

Yuni should have broken things off sooner, and maybe would have, had Fuuko not gotten involved. She clearly was unhappy with her relationship with Nanase between the secrecy, the neglect, and the emotional cheating she as doing with Yuki, even if she didn't see it that way. It's crazy how the word "friendship" gets thrown around and not only enables emotional cheating, but causes the one being cheated on to question whether they should feel jealous. Doesn't make full on cheating okay or forgivable, but it really makes Yuni letting herself get involved with Fuuko and falling for her more understandable. She wasn't getting the love and affection she needed, and Fuuko just shows up begging to give it to her.

If Yuni and Nanase broke up with each other and started seeing Fuuko and Yuki seriously, they'd all be happier, but it would be far less entertaining.
 
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If Yuni and Nanase broke up with each other and started seeing Fuuko and Yuki seriously, they'd all be happier, but it would be far less entertaining.
This is the only correct course of action that should be taken, but it would also effectively mean the end of the series - because like you said, all the actual tension of the narrative would disappear, at least relative to what we gain by having them continue on, getting more and more toxic until (I assume) we hit some sort of actual meltdown that sees total devastation for all parties involved.
 
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This is the only correct course of action that should be taken, but it would also effectively mean the end of the series - because like you said, all the actual tension of the narrative would disappear, at least relative to what we gain by having them continue on, getting more and more toxic until (I assume) we hit some sort of actual meltdown that sees total devastation for all parties involved.
I don't think that's true. I mean it will change the tone of the story, but love still happens even after happy ever after. Take Citrus for example there a couple. You even know they stay together thanks to a flash forward, but all the things they over come to stay together are still great stories. I would like to see this go through a similar change before it dies and I really hope at least Fuuko and Yuni and Natsume and Yuki give it a real shot before the story ends.
 
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I don't think that's true. I mean it will change the tone of the story, but love still happens even after happy ever after. Take Citrus for example there a couple. You even know they stay together thanks to a flash forward, but all the things they over come to stay together are still great stories. I would like to see this go through a similar change before it dies and I really hope at least Fuuko and Yuni and Natsume and Yuki give it a real shot before the story ends.
I'm effectively basing it off the fact that the narrative, at its core, is the dysfunction of the main characters. If they do have the "correct pairs" getting together, I have to imagine it would be at the end, after everything's burned to the ground and long-standing relationships have been torched, and we get any actual "where are they now" as an epilogue/flash-forward.

I'd love to be wrong, but it would be a departure from everything we've seen up to now, tone-wise, to have the manga carry on for any significant period of time with Fuuko & Yuni and Yuki & Nanase, because at that point it would stop being a drama and become more SoL.
Maybe that switch would happen prior to Fuuko and Yuni sorting out Fuuko's other issues (Glasses and/or that music sensei, assuming both are a part of Fuuko's personal story arc), and so the focus becomes Yuni having to help Fuuko escape whatever situation that becomes. But as far as Yuki & Nanase go...I don't know how they'd factor in, at that point.

I have to imagine that anything that sees the current girlfriend pair split and end up with their respective "correct partners" would see bridges burned between them, unless they both do a ton of maturing within a relatively short period of time, which I don't know if I'd buy, given their current age and how they've both been acting up to this point. (And a time skip to facilitate that would require putting Fuuko & Yuni's stuff on hold to give time for them to age up and "get over" the toxicity surrounding the four of them, and a time skip with story still to be told would leave a lot of that growth just assumed off-screen, and not feel like a payoff).

I guess I could see it happen in some fashion, but I think it would also require this to go into the triple digits of chapters, to really fully cover all the growth and time it would take to see the four of them mature to the point that Yuni & Nanase can stand to be around one another at that point.

If that's what happens, then awesome; sign me the fuck up.
I'm just not sold on that being the case.
 
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I'm effectively basing it off the fact that the narrative, at its core, is the dysfunction of the main characters. If they do have the "correct pairs" getting together, I have to imagine it would be at the end, after everything's burned to the ground and long-standing relationships have been torched, and we get any actual "where are they now" as an epilogue/flash-forward.

I'd love to be wrong, but it would be a departure from everything we've seen up to now, tone-wise, to have the manga carry on for any significant period of time with Fuuko & Yuni and Yuki & Nanase, because at that point it would stop being a drama and become more SoL.
Maybe that switch would happen prior to Fuuko and Yuni sorting out Fuuko's other issues (Glasses and/or that music sensei, assuming both are a part of Fuuko's personal story arc), and so the focus becomes Yuni having to help Fuuko escape whatever situation that becomes. But as far as Yuki & Nanase go...I don't know how they'd factor in, at that point.

I have to imagine that anything that sees the current girlfriend pair split and end up with their respective "correct partners" would see bridges burned between them, unless they both do a ton of maturing within a relatively short period of time, which I don't know if I'd buy, given their current age and how they've both been acting up to this point. (And a time skip to facilitate that would require putting Fuuko & Yuni's stuff on hold to give time for them to age up and "get over" the toxicity surrounding the four of them, and a time skip with story still to be told would leave a lot of that growth just assumed off-screen, and not feel like a payoff).

I guess I could see it happen in some fashion, but I think it would also require this to go into the triple digits of chapters, to really fully cover all the growth and time it would take to see the four of them mature to the point that Yuni & Nanase can stand to be around one another at that point.

If that's what happens, then awesome; sign me the fuck up.
I'm just not sold on that being the case.
Yeah that's basically how I see it though in a dream world I could see this resolve it self into two slice of life books following each pair and there personal development or maybe like I think it's random entanglements, but it follows both couple individually in one book after they break up and start new relationships. Occasionally bumping into each other or confiding in each other when there having tough times. With a little growth especially in Yuni's case because Fuuko has already helped her be more open with her emotional needs I could see them getting to the point where there like. This is what you did with me nock it off. I know it's likely to be wishful thinking, but I feel like it's got the popularity that triple digits isn't off the table and the writer is moving the narrative along I feel like all fouret have shown some growth. Though I feel like Yuki has grown to realize her feelings and is going to deliberately sabatoge Yuni and Natsume. Sorry the story really gets me pumped but basically I agree with you probably toxic blow out hopefully with a final chapter/volume being how everything resolves, but I'm hopeful for more and I'm down for where this goes.
 
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Yeah that's basically how I see it though in a dream world I could see this resolve it self into two slice of life books following each pair and there personal development or maybe like I think it's random entanglements, but it follows both couple individually in one book after they break up and start new relationships. Occasionally bumping into each other or confiding in each other when there having tough times. With a little growth especially in Yuni's case because Fuuko has already helped her be more open with her emotional needs I could see them getting to the point where there like. This is what you did with me nock it off. I know it's likely to be wishful thinking, but I feel like it's got the popularity that triple digits isn't off the table and the writer is moving the narrative along I feel like all fouret have shown some growth. Though I feel like Yuki has grown to realize her feelings and is going to deliberately sabatoge Yuni and Natsume. Sorry the story really gets me pumped but basically I agree with you probably toxic blow out hopefully with a final chapter/volume being how everything resolves, but I'm hopeful for more and I'm down for where this goes.
I'd love to see actual growth and "the aftermath" where they're allowed to be happy with the people they're meant to be with, too.

I just...feel like it would be almost a genre shift on all of everything that's been going on thus far, and blending the two together might be a big ask, while also making it a compelling read.
I do think we might get some brief epilogue of sorts showing them "better off", but it'll likely still come off the back of a huge climax and fallout.

And yeah, I fully expect Yuki to do to Yuni what Fuuko did to Nanase, and I'm only left wondering if Nanase will realize the significance when it happens, and if Yuki will still try to vilify Yuni saying "well she did it first so I'm justified".
Mostly because that way would be way more dramatic and messy which feels like the way this title should always lean, given the opportunity.

Dunno if this could go 100 chapters, but that I think depends on how extensive Fuuko's own story will be, since we've packed all of this story already into 34 chapters. But, we shall see.
 
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This is the only correct course of action that should be taken, but it would also effectively mean the end of the series - because like you said, all the actual tension of the narrative would disappear, at least relative to what we gain by having them continue on, getting more and more toxic until (I assume) we hit some sort of actual meltdown that sees total devastation for all parties involved.

And boy can I not wait.

I don't think that's true. I mean it will change the tone of the story, but love still happens even after happy ever after. Take Citrus for example there a couple. You even know they stay together thanks to a flash forward, but all the things they over come to stay together are still great stories. I would like to see this go through a similar change before it dies and I really hope at least Fuuko and Yuni and Natsume and Yuki give it a real shot before the story ends.

I'm here for the drama and toxicity, so it would be pretty jarring for the author to make a left turn like that just when it's getting real good (gut wrenching).
 
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I never commented on this manga (which i painfully love to my heart)
But after seing alots of comments on that chapter it made me wanna read all of it (which was quite the interesting read, both funnily or in a mocking way) but it's quite hilarious how people are only mentionning the "Yuni cheated" argument and that since Nanase is a victim it looks like everything Nanase has done poorly or just not at all is just forgiven.
Yuni's a shit person for cheating and i don't even think anyone should even debate on it, even justifying it isn't possible in my opinion, BUT at least it's pretty easy to understand the process of how it happened, and make our conclusions about it.
But with this chapter, i wonder how some people haven't realized how badly Nanase handled this as a whole and how this is turning.
You can say it's deserved or not, up to anyone's interpretation i believe, but i don't know how you can grasp that Nanase is just bringing her girlfriend to vacation, where Yuni has obviously no one she knows apart from Nanase (and Yuki lol?) and that she just let herself get bringed out, leaving her girlfriend alone to do the work, while she's having fun i suppose?
Nanase's resilience for trying to care for her girlfriend (which is even a weird way to put it, supposedly you shouldn't even have to like force yourself to be wary for your partner's well being) is close to non existant, saying she's gonna do effort to make that change but can't just bring herself to say no to Yuki? Just not showing a glimpse of something, maybe just a thought of "How would Yuni feel ?" is shocking to me. I've always been mitigated about Nanase because i've always seen it as i don't especially like her character, or some traits of it but i do feel bad because Yuni just acts like a petulant child half of the time as well, not being clear, just showing she's upset but not trying to make Nanase understand exactly because it's clear that she's clearly struggling alot.
But after this chapter, it seems pretty obvious that Nanase is just completely unfit to be a caring partner, especially for someone with issues like Yuni. or even to just be in a relationship at all. You can be dedicated to something, and still be a caring partner, there's always a balance to everything, and even so far, it just felt like Yuni was something granted for her.
I think though that saying that "everyone is fucked up" is a good way to put it, even though it's for a different extent for each of them.
Another thing i wanted to mention was also the comments i saw saying "Yuni should have just broken up with Nanase" yes, seems so obvious but if you know how toxic relationships goes, you know quickly this doesn't makes much sense, especially when Yuni has literally, her mom (which is also not the best mom...) a stray kitten, Nanase and Fuuko (in a way that can't be considered a friend obviously, but can count i guess) and where Nanase has been Yuni's center point for happiness, and like a pillar to stand against while facing her daily struggles, and obviously, that Yuni has a shit ton of issues as well. For me this is a decently good example of the quote "It's not realistic to expect a person on the verge of drowning to make rational decisions" (Got this from Yeonwoo' innocence, completely different manwha but very good)
I don't even wanna start on Yuki because my goodness, this character is just less interesting than a bloody Poppy, personal there but i just can't with her
Really hoping Fuuko comes back in the next because waiting more than 2 months for no actual Fuuko scene was a stab to my heart.
But anyway, no matter your opinions, hoping everyone can enjoy their reading in this messy Yuri !
 

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