Long-Awaited Feelings - Ch. 44 - It's something I've regretted to this day.

[MangaDex]

 

[NIPHY]

If she ask the other possible cast maybe it could work... 🤔 and give them a deal so they'll agree.

 

[shemper]

Ok i'm coming hot here, why use a word like "queer" that originally mean strange? I don't mean to offense, just pure curiosity on the translation
edit: i'm asking because from what i got, in the original, it seems it's closer to gay/lesbian than queer
Thank you for your work!

 

[nyannibalism]

thanks for the translation!

seems like theres going to have to be some scheming involved to get that position... which is always fun to watch youyan calculate

 

[Ohin]

Ok i'm coming hot here, why use a word like "queer" that originally mean strange? I don't mean to offense, just pure curiosity on the translation
edit: i'm asking because from what i got, in the original, it seems it's closer to gay/lesbian than queer
Thank you for your work!

It's somewhat of a localization in this case, but lots of LGBT+ people refer to themselves as "queer" as an umbrella term. The term was originally used as a slur against gay, lesbian, and other marginalized people to denote them as strange (like you mentioned) but has been reclaimed pretty significantly by those communities.

I can't speak for how it reads in the original (or the original intent) but as a native english speaker the translation read completely fine, although I could understand being confused if you aren't familiar with the term or english isn't your first language.

 

[shemper]

It's somewhat of a localization in this case, but lots of LGBT+ people refer to themselves as "queer" as an umbrella term. The term was originally used as a slur against gay, lesbian, and other marginalized people to denote them as strange (like you mentioned) but has been reclaimed pretty significantly by those communities.

I can't speak for how it reads in the original (or the original intent) but as a native english speaker the translation read completely fine, although I could understand being confused if you aren't familiar with the term or english isn't your first language.

i'm not debating on the usage of the word, i'm just asking, is it really an accurate translation

 

[PheePheenix]

i'm not debating on the usage of the word, i'm just asking, is it really an accurate translation

This is a bit of a weird thing to get semantic about, you want it to read as "a gay/lesbian movie like this will..."? Queer film and LGBTQ+ film are commonly used terminology (queer is probably used more within the queer community itself). A literal translation does not mean an accurate translation.

 

[LunaaSnow]

i'm not debating on the usage of the word, i'm just asking, is it really an accurate translation

The original is 同性恋 / homosexual. The term doesn't make it specific of whether it's gay / lesbian, so we went for the general 'queer' since it sounds more natural and has the same level of casual usage-ness of 同性恋 in chinese circles

(also, bc absolutely no one uses homosexual in a normal conversation lol)

 

[PheePheenix]

(also, bc absolutely no one uses homosexual in a normal conversation lol)

Unless they happen to be a homophobe, though in that case you are more likely to get a slur thrown at you lmao.

 

[shemper]

The original is 同性恋 / homosexual. The term doesn't make it specific of whether it's gay / lesbian, so we went for the general 'queer' since it sounds more natural and has the same level of casual usage-ness of 同性恋 in chinese circles

(also, bc absolutely no one uses homosexual in a normal conversation lol)

then wouldn't it be more accurate to use lesbian?

 

[verdare]

then wouldn't it be more accurate to use lesbian?

“Homosexual” and “queer” don’t carry any connotation of gender, while “lesbian” does. Feel like that makes “queer” the more accurate translation here.

In any case, this feels like splitting hairs.

 

[shemper]

“Homosexual” and “queer” don’t carry any connotation of gender, while “lesbian” does. Feel like that makes “queer” the more accurate translation here.

In any case, this feels like splitting hairs.

2 woman talking about casting as the main actors in a movie about same sex marriage and how it would represent them, i would argue we can safely assume the genders
and no, 2 words which carry 2 very different meanings isn't splitting hairs, sorry you see it that way

 

[outinthegardener]

2 woman talking about casting as the main actors in a movie about same sex marriage and how it would represent them, i would argue we can safely assume the genders
and no, 2 words which carry 2 very different meanings isn't splitting hairs, sorry you see it that way

The usage in English is pretty interchangeable. I've had several lesbian friends who referred to themselves as queer.

then wouldn't it be more accurate to use lesbian?

No, because they used "homosexual" and not "female homosexual." Also in terms of film, it's less common to specify "lesbian film" than it is to say "gay film" which is less common than "queer film." In English "Queer" is by far the best word.

I wonder if you're not trying to be perfectly literal, when translation is a game of best approximations. Often the literal translation sounds awkward without making compromises towards grammar and cultural convention. Otherwise MTL would be perfect.

 

[shemper]

The usage in English is pretty interchangeable. I've had several lesbian friends who referred to themselves as queer.


No, because they used "homosexual" and not "female homosexual." Also in terms of film, it's less common to specify "lesbian film" than it is to say "gay film" which is less common than "queer film." In English "Queer" is by far the best word.

I wonder if you're not trying to be perfectly literal, when translation is a game of best approximations. Often the literal translation sounds awkward without making compromises towards grammar and cultural convention. Otherwise MTL would be perfect.

i've done translations in the past for personal use (subtitles for a few series), so i have an idea as to what it is, i'm asking the translator because i don't know chinese and seemed out of place for me

 

[KeraFury]

every time i think "ok she's orchestrated everything and managed to have all the dice fall in her favor were in the home stretch now" something new comes up and suddenly were that much further from happy ever after.

 

[NIPHY]

Ok i'm coming hot here, why use a word like "queer" that originally mean strange? I don't mean to offense, just pure curiosity on the translation
edit: i'm asking because from what i got, in the original, it seems it's closer to gay/lesbian than queer
Thank you for your work!

My teacher explained that queer means like they are in a vaque line... so a yuri trap genre could be called queer unless 1 character in that story said they like another same sex and clearly stated it... but if they don't it's called queer.

In that regard the queer represents type of people who are in the dark about their gender

I hope I explained it well... I'm just translating what my teacher said in our lecture and it might changed over the past few years.

He also said that "if you are not clear on who you are then you are in the spectrum of queer"

 

[shemper]

My teacher explained that queer means like they are in a vaque line... so a yuri trap genre could be called queer unless 1 character in that story said they like another same sex and clearly stated it... but if they don't it's called queer.

In that regard the queer represents type of people who are in the dark about their gender

I hope I explained it well... I'm just translating what my teacher said in our lecture and it might changed over the past few years.

He also said that "if you are not clear on who you are then you are in the spectrum of queer"

the problem i have with the word itself, which is kind of unrelated but anyway, is that in it's current state, there are as many definitions as there are opinions

 

[karpad]

Thanks for the upload!

 

[Elandriel]

the problem i have with the word itself, which is kind of unrelated but anyway, is that in it's current state, there are as many definitions as there are opinions

Being too literal in a translation often ends up losing more context than is gained. From my perspective you do seem to be splitting hairs on this one. A word can have several meanings in context, and the word queer in this context is commonly if not predominantly used in the exact same way. Few people even say queer to mean strange anymore, that definition has rather fallen out of use. The [chinese] word used in the direct TL as given by the person who did the work is non-gendered but would be awkward or unnatural in english conversation, so it was localized, allowing the casual reader a better understanding and allowing for smoother conversational flow.

 

[shemper]

Being too literal in a translation often ends up losing more context than is gained. From my perspective you do seem to be splitting hairs on this one. A word can have several meanings in context, and the word queer in this context is commonly if not predominantly used in the exact same way. Few people even say queer to mean strange anymore, that definition has rather fallen out of use. The [chinese] word used in the direct TL as given by the person who did the work is non-gendered but would be awkward or unnatural in english conversation, so it was localized, allowing the casual reader a better understanding and allowing for smoother conversational flow.

I guess we just have different opinions on localization, that's fine