so... Oiling needs machines?
Well... No, not if it is vegetable or cooking oil
so... Oiling needs machines?
I agree. Doyeon was raised in an orphanage and had never felt the stability of someone being there for her when she needed it. Thus creating this warped perception that she believed she needs to do stuff for other people or else she won’t be loved. I’m not 100% sure yet but I think doyeon thinks she thinks she fell in love with jinju because jinju really needed someone like doyeon in her life. Maybe that’s how it initially started but I do think she fell in love with jinju for being jinju. I feel like people can think less of jinju because of her status but I low key think she’s a really kind character. I just think jinju got stuck. Her husband got into debt. She didn’t have the qualifications to get a well paying job. No one is there to support her and her self esteem takes a toll for the worse. But we see her personality dramatically improve with just one person being there for her. That’s literally all she needed to grow.This chapter made it clear that doyeon has a wrapped up perception of love. This "i must support someone to feel fulfilled" concept has been embedded within her since her years in the orphanage. She feels satisfied/loved when she helps people/when she's useful/when she's being self sacrificing. Which may imply that she thinks she holds no value besides the help she can offer. When we factor these assumptions into her relationship with jinju we get an even more disastrous image. Essentially what doyeon feels is some sort of validation disguised as "love". If they continue on this road things will unavoidably turn sour. Even if jinju doesn't mind being taken care of atm she will eventually seek some independence in her life and when that happens their relationship could go from toxic to abusive. I hope that they can actually fall in love with each others person, rather than then the idea of "caretaker"/"victim".
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I don’t know if you notice but jinju is the only person that has actually done something for doyeon. While also probably having the least to give to doyeon because of her situation.I love this series so much.
This chapter blew me away, legit felt my heart beat so loud, like it was about to stop, when I saw the part where Doyeon said she didn't want to need anyone, that she wanted to be need. That's so dysfunctional and interesting I could die.
I knew she is always relied on, but I didn't know her personal feelings about it, that she wanted to help others, and more importantly, that she didnt want to rely on others. Not that she just doesn't, not that she feels like she can't or even that she doesn't know how. She doesn't want to. And that... she knows what she has with Jinju right now isn't going the way she'd want it to to be happy. That does imply doing anything to change how things are going? Meanwhile Jinju realises that she has feelings for Doyeon. This is great. The individual growth and parallels between them like this, it's great. I love lonely people. I love that they have each other. It's like two colours touching, slowly seeping into one another, and before they know it, they're each starting to change.
There was also the part where Doyeon says she's never known anyone as lonely as Jinju before. I wonder if, along with also Jinju being pretty I guess, it's part of why Doyeon latched on to her, bc who else would need her as badly as Jinju does? Is that why she's so desperate to try to keep protecting/supporting her, so that Jinju keeps needing her? Ironically, it's possible that she wants Jinju to need her so badly that she needs Jinju as well. Does it mean that what Doyeon wants is contradictory? To not want to need others, but want to be needed by others. To fulfill [to be needed by others], doesn't that mean she needs them too?
Another thought. Remember when Doyeon insisted that, "I don't want anything from you guys." If let's say, Doyeon being needed gives herself value, doesn't that also imply that others only have value if they need her? Since, being needed by them is the only thing she wants from them. Beyond that, there isn't anything else. To put it very coldly/make it transactional, aside from being relied on, aren't other people worthless to her?
It could also be why liking/being in love with someone is such a big deal for Doyeon, aside from "it's never happened to me before". If the only thing she wants from others is to be needed, then it doesn't matter who they are, bc she treats everyone the same and will help them as long as they need her. And if she doesn't feel any particular way towards anyone (ex, Gunwoo asking to be needed = I want to be special to you, Doyeon being like, "no. I don't anyone to be" lmao), then everyone being the same is why she doesn't and wouldn't need anyone.
Liking/being in love with Jinju would make her the first and only person to be special, to not be treated the same as everyone else. She'd be the only person Doyeon needs and is vulnerable to.
On that matter, I wonder if she doesn't want to need anyone, bc she knows what it looks like when others do. How desperate and pitiful it can look.
Oh but I will say that, previously, her coming clean and admitting to Jinju that the gangsters were starting to impersonate police and that it'd be best they reported it, was a good sign to me. I'm glad that despite her own feelings on the matter, Doyeon is still able to accept that Jinju's safety > maintaining their arrangement to stay with her. Jinju's response partially surprised me. I'm not surprised she doesn't feel like the situation can't get better anyway so why call the police, but I'm surprised that she's basically asking to stay longer. That she's okay with staying and would rather stay longer, with Doyeon. I mean, I know that Doyeon is probably the person she trusts the most and feels the most comfortable with right now, but I'm sure they both know they can't keep things as they are forever (it was discussed in in first chapters iirc, so it's been a while). That makes me a bit happy, even if it's clouded in hopelessness, bc it means that they're close enough that Jinju feels safer with Doyeon, who's basically just a college student, than with the legal system.
Bringing back the earlier idea that Doyeon doesn't want to need anyone, so it probably throws her off to need Jinju but... I'm happy to know that Jinju doesn't just need her for physical safety reasons, that she needs and is choosing Doyeon bc she feels safer with her too. Doyeon doesn't know it yet but, these little developments of them becoming closer and relying on each other not because they have to but because they want to makes me feel all giddy
Btw, @jazkin, why did Gunwoo ask her if she had any brothers? I'm probably missing something bc I have no idea why he would ask that
Haha yeah I definitely noticed, I think we talked about that before in the previous thread, Jinju consciously making big or smaller gestures to comfort Doyeon. Jinju is probs one of the only ones, if not the only one, to not take Doyeon for grantedI don’t know if you notice but jinju is the only person that has actually done something for doyeon.
I like this. To compare Jinju to every other person in Doyeon's life. What else makes her stand out aside from being "the most lonely person" Doyeon's ever metWhile also probably having the least to give to doyeon because of her situation.
Yess I'm looking forward to that.I think jinju will likely be doing more stuff for doyeon in the future if their relationship continues to develop. One, because doyeon will trust jinju more. Two, jinju will continue to grow as a character and have the mental capability to give more for doyeon.
I think that this is one of my favourite concepts, you see it happen a lot. It almost doesn't matter how difficult the situation is, it's how hard the person thinks it is and if they think they can handle it (subjectively)"Learned helplessness is a state that occurs after a person has experienced a stressful situation repeatedly. They come to believe that they are unable to control or change the situation, so they do not try — even when opportunities for change become available."
Yeah we talked about it before but I don’t think we mentioned how it compares to other characters (at least I don’t think we have). A lot of people in the manga and I feel to some extent too in real life, judge jinju based on what society values. High school drop out with a dead best husband. (In the lehzin translation they say she’s a high school drop out) who doesn’t seem to have a future ahead of her and quite literally seemed ready to kill herself if doyeon haven’t stepped in. All of doyeons friends think less of jinju because of her situation. Just as jinju sees doyeon for who she is (as you mentioned) doyeon also sees jinju for who she is. Which is why she gets so upset at her friends when they talk less about jinju.Haha yeah I definitely noticed, I think we talked about that before in the previous thread, Jinju consciously making big or smaller gestures to comfort Doyeon. Jinju is probs one of the only ones, if not the only one, to not take Doyeon for granted
That’s very interesting that you read it like that. I read it more like because she pulled jinju in she actually would end up physically falling down with her lol. they both end up on the floor together. If anything I feel like doyeon is growing as a character, like she’s better off now than before she met jinju. Yes, she is in a more stressful situation because of the loan sharks but shes low key learning how to get upset and stand up for herself/put her needs down.ch1 foreshadowed that "if you were to weigh more or less like this woman, you just fall down with her", which I took to say, "oh lmao, so they're both a mess"
That is a good question, the answer is that I have no idea and probably I messed up the translation, since i'm not a really good translator (sorry for that).Btw, @jazkin, why did Gunwoo ask her if she had any brothers? I'm probably missing something bc I have no idea why he would ask that
I’ve just really never seen a manga done like this before.
I do think we have a very clever artist who probably had the whole story written out/edited before they started drawing
yes to everything you said... this author is really really good and this is by far my favorite GL. It's weird because I started reading it for the cover... i thought the artstyle was different from the usual noodle-arms-slender-perfect-babes-with-big-boobs that i see often in GLs. Not that I mind, but it's nice to see a change, although i do think jinju has some big boobas for her really slender build. I also want to respectfully check out doyeon's badonkers too, lord please i am begging you why you put me through your toughest battles i'll do anythingEvery interaction they have seems purposeful. There’s a reason for why every panel is being used.
i'm glad my speedrunning to catch up with the raws brought this GL to more overall attention, didn't think this many people would like it, i'll do my best 🫡 , even though i fuck up translations sometimes lolbecause of all the frequent updates that it was getting
Well whoever told you, you need to learn Korean more before translating, are they bothering to translate the manga at all? You’re out here doing your best and people are enjoying the work. I’ve read the lehzin comics and the difference isn’t that much. There’s a few major differences to mention off the top of my head. In the lehzin translations they refer to jinju as just Jin joo (but I prefer just saying jinju lol). Jinju is a high school drop out in the official translations. Also, after the first time they have sex and we see jinju in the shower observing herself, she does mention something like “damn look at all these marks doyeon left, is she marking her territory or something?” Which is interesting to me because that indicates jinju is self aware of doyeon possessive side. Honestly though I would much rather have you doing your best and translating than waiting months for lehzin to catch up. You’re doing awesome!PS: also sorry for my bad korean knowledge, i'm using this comic as an excuse to learn
PPS: i also had a hard time translating doyeon's "i don't want to need anyone/ i want to be needed", asked around, a kind KTL helped me (thanks anonymous internet person) and told me that i should study more before translating (they are right but it's not like i'm being paid to do this and i don't want to be paid... and lezhin translations haven't been so far off fro
this was the original sentence:
그보다 아저씨한테 형제가 있었어?
그보다 - before that/more than that
아저씨한테 - from/to ajussi (ajussi is used for middle aged men or strangers, it also means uncle but i don't know if gunwoo was referring to an actual uncle)
형제가 - older brother
있었어 - to have (past tense) applied to the brother (the one who 'is had')
so my take on that was:
"more than that, did your uncle/mister have a brother?"
yeah i noticed that.... but jinju actually refers to herself as a high school graduate so i don't think i got that one wrong (chinese scanlations translated it like that too)Jinju is a high school drop out in the official translations.
the one about the marking territory i got it so wrong... i initially translated it like "am i her marking territory?" then i went "wtf does jinju even mean with this, those marks don't seem that heavy" so i completely changed the meaning lmao... when i saw lezhin translation i said, damn ok... i have two or three sentences that i have to change but however... i'll take it slow... unless is some very big mistake (like the i want it to hurt that i'll probably change into it's ok if it hurts, i'm betting my ass that my translation is wrong lol)is she marking her territory or something?
true but that was still a valid point, that i should learn more... anyhow, thank you for your kind words, have a nice day internet person n.2!You’re out here doing your best and people are enjoying the work
korean's honorifics for family and stuff just fuck up my brain...that was tough... words cannot express my love for you, internet person n.3... have a nice day you too! And thank you for taking the time to explain this to me“By the way, does he (doyeon’s adopted father) have a sibling?”
Love ya thanks again for your huge help!Thank you so much for the transaction!!
thank you for such fast uploads, this is my favorite gl and i’ve currently bought every chapter on lezhin but they’re pretty behind on chapters. you’re a hero 🙏also, chap 30 got out, i will upload it in a couple days
yeah I 100% agree ; - ; it's especially striking when Jinju is talking about how its not entirely illegal so the police won't help them even if they make a report or sth. It really started to feel like a societal issue, along with how (like you said) everyone else judges Jinju for being in that situation. Like poor people/ppl who are stuck in shitty situations deserve to be poor/stuckYeah we talked about it before but I don’t think we mentioned how it compares to other characters (at least I don’t think we have). A lot of people in the manga and I feel to some extent too in real life, judge jinju based on what society values. High school drop out with a dead best husband. (In the lehzin translation they say she’s a high school drop out) who doesn’t seem to have a future ahead of her and quite literally seemed ready to kill herself if doyeon haven’t stepped in. All of doyeons friends think less of jinju because of her situation. Just as jinju sees doyeon for who she is (as you mentioned) doyeon also sees jinju for who she is. Which is why she gets so upset at her friends when they talk less about jinju.
yeah <3 the best part is that they complement each other and start to grow/changeThat’s very interesting that you read it like that. I read it more like because she pulled jinju in she actually would end up physically falling down with her lol. they both end up on the floor together. If anything I feel like doyeon is growing as a character, like she’s better off now than before she met jinju. Yes, she is in a more stressful situation because of the loan sharks but shes low key learning how to get upset and stand up for herself/put her needs down.
I feel the same ^^ It's not the only one I feel this way about, anything that has characters with dysfunctional hang ups or ideals or expectations on how they should be, it's great, I find them super interestingI feel like this manga is such a hidden gym. I read a lot of GL/romance/action mangas and this is one of the few mangas I felt was actually pretty deep. And it seems like such a simple GL manga on the outside but if you pat attention to the complexities of these characters you start to see just how deep it gets. Maybe I’m over reading it but I do think we have a very clever artist who probably had the whole story written out/edited before they started drawing (maybe don’t want to speak too soon 😅) . I’ve felt like I’ve had to reread this manga multiple times before I started seeing the layers this manga has. Every interaction they have seems purposeful. There’s a reason for why every panel is being used.
Haha same, I added it to my list bc I saw it had several updates but it took me a bit more time before giving it a go (mostly bc I was procrastinating an assignment). The art is good, objectively consistent, no weird proportions. The style is ofc subjective, and I've grown to like it despite Jinju seeming pretty normal-looking. That's when you know it's a hidden gem, when the plot and characters make you look past your initial evaluation ^^I honestly wasn’t going to bother reading this manga because it seemed so boring on the cover 😂. But then I really said, because of all the frequent updates that it was getting and figured it would be boring, “well might as well read it to lull me to sleep.” It did not. Ended up reading all the chapters in one night and I swear I’ve reread this manga so many times that I’m worried if it’s even healthy. I’ve just really never seen a manga done like this before.
Coming from me LOL, I WELCOME your long reply. I love knowing everything I can about the nuances of the text/dialogue to understand the story/characters better. If ever you're uncertain or if there is meaning that can be lost to translation, you should add it in the TL note in the end ^^ I find it super interesting and I love to read your commentary about itsorry for the long reply, just wanted to be as clear as possible with everyone.
It's okay to make mistakes you can always go back and correct them (and there's much more whack translations out there, where the story doesn't even make sense anymore)true but that was still a valid point, that i should learn more... anyhow, thank you for your kind words, have a nice day internet person n.2!
Sure, I’ll probably write in the comments section of each chapter what I might change, but for now it’s only the marking territory stuff mentioned before and the I want it to hurt which flows better but was more of a ‘it’s ok if it hurts’ and that’s it I think ( along with the gunwoo brother question in this chapter)Coming from me LOL, I WELCOME your long reply. I love knowing everything I can about the nuances of the text/dialogue to understand the story/characters better. If ever you're uncertain or if there is meaning that can be lost to translation, you should add it in the TL note in the end ^^ I find it super interesting and I love to read your commentary about it
It's okay to make mistakes you can always go back and correct them (and there's much more whack translations out there, where the story doesn't even make sense anymore)
Oh and do give us a heads up bc I'm not that detail oriented and I want to know what you might change in the future!
Ive read I love Amy and bloom into you. I don’t think I’ve read the other two. I liked them both. The art style in I love Amy is actually what attracted me about reading it. While it is pretty cute and I did enjoy reading it, I felt less inclined to analyze it on the same level as love thy neighbor because it felt less realistic. Like i couldnt ever imagine something like I love Amy ever happening. Now with love thy neighbor, I highly doubt its possible for a situation like love thy neighbor to happen, its possible. And those are usually the romance dramas GLs I really enjoy the most. Where it feels real and it could happen, but because of the unique situation it will more than likely not happen at all. Bloom into you I’ve read and I’ve enjoyed but I found it at times a little slow. I’m kind of a little bit more picky about the manga/animes i get obsessed with.Off the top of my head, I recall liking and thinking about
Adachi and Shimamara (LN), I Love Amy (another manhwa that taught me that the art has nothing to do with good storytelling), Uso to Kiss wa Houkago ni (has a rushed ending), Bloom into You.
Thanks to you I got to know this manhwa, which is becoming one of my favorites so far, and also you made all the effort to translate it so f*cking fast, for all that, thank you!PS: also sorry for my bad korean knowledge, i'm using this comic as an excuse to learn
PPS: i also had a hard time translating doyeon's "i don't want to need anyone/ i want to be needed", asked around, a kind KTL helped me (thanks anonymous internet person) and told me that i should study more before translating (they are right but it's not like i'm being paid to do this and i don't want to be paid... and lezhin translations haven't been so far off from mine until now so ig i'm doing an average job)
It's so hard for me to find GLs where I really like the art-style. Maybe it’s because I’ve always been a tomboy, but I like when the female characters are not too feminine, don’t care that much about looks and prefer to use comfy clothes.It's weird because I started reading it for the cover... i thought the artstyle was different from the usual noodle-arms-slender-perfect-babes-with-big-boobs that i see often in GLs.
What I find weird about Junji’s boobs are not the size, but the fact that they don’t seem to be affected by gravity when she lays on her back or on her side, although to be fair, that can be a bit tricky to draw.Not that I mind, but it's nice to see a change, although i do think jinju has some big boobas for her really slender build.
I’m with you on this one a 100%! But not even Jinju saw them yet...I also want to respectfully check out doyeon's badonkers too, lord please i am begging you why you put me through your toughest battles i'll do anything
I love how pleasantly stacked Jinju is I will not lie. Take your last sentence and replace "Doyeon" with "Jinju" and you have my thoughts exactly.Not that I mind, but it's nice to see a change, although i do think jinju has some big boobas for her really slender build. I also want to respectfully check out doyeon's badonkers too, lord please i am begging you why you put me through your toughest battles i'll do anything