Love Thy Neighbor - Ch. 34 - Chapter 34

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whilst having no smoke for the husband at best- or at worst
I can understand that, still I don’t really get the hate towards morae, the husband, or gunwoo because I like them all but… Objectively speaking? I don’t think anyone would really want morae as a sister lol

Also I’d like to remember that the only time jinju actively did something was when she behaved like a deranged mf with morae… I think morae has some ground to want her gone? can’t really get the hate towards her when I recall this stuff lmao
 
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I can understand that, still I don’t really get the hate towards morae, the husband, or gunwoo because I like them all but… Objectively speaking? I don’t think anyone would really want morae as a sister lol

Also I’d like to remember that the only time jinju actively did something was when she behaved like a deranged mf with morae… I think morae has some ground to want her gone? can’t really get the hate towards her when I recall this stuff lmao
Morae has been instigating stuff from the very beginning, though. Jinju only told her about the fact that she and her sister had sex because Morae threatened her and she didn’t want to take it standing.

Calling someone a parasite, demeaning them, threatening to send them off to seedy old men who have been terrorizing said someone for years…? Morae doesn’t have much ground at all; at first, perhaps, because Doyeon is involving herself in potential gang / criminal activity by associating with Jinju, but afterwards? When Doyeon tells her that she’ll take responsibility and that even if it does get out that Jinju is in her care, it would only be beneficial for their family name? Nah. Her reasons for wanting Jinju gone is entirely selfish now; she doesn’t like that Doyeon is getting her way. She couldn’t steer away her parents from her, nor drive her out with continued aversion as a child, but now that she can do something, why wouldn’t she exploit it?

Morae doesn’t care about Doyeon getting harmed. She cares about her family name but right now, more than ever, it’s about getting revenge. Settling a score.

And I say this because of the structure of the story. Morae’s backstory (just two chapters before her appearance in this one, which I think is important in seeing her motive) has her repeat throughout the course of her monologue that Doyeon ruined her brother’s memory, and she suggests through implication that Doyeon is a leech. Doyeon basically laughed in her face the last time she confronted her, and I don’t think someone with as much pride as Morae would let that slide lmfaooo. She didn’t get the last word! It’s not about her parents anymore. It’s about her brother and the memory Doyeon has violated through presence alone. Yew know? Like. We didn’t need Morae’s backstory in that specific chapter, or instance. We already knew Doyeon revolves her life around others. I think it was done so that she could give both exposition, and make the phone call in this chapter not come off as a surprise. Because remember, Doyeon told her off already 😭

That aside, fellow Gunwoo enjoyer, too??? HE’S SO SWEET! I think he’s cute 👩‍❤️‍💋‍👨
 
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That aside, fellow Gunwoo enjoyer, too??? HE’S SO SWEET! I think he’s cute 👩‍❤️‍💋‍👨
Lmao i thought i was the only one that liked him😆 ,especially after the newest chapter cuz everbody was shitting on him past chapters. I mean i dont ship them but he just looks like he cares about doyeon and just happens to have crush on her
 
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Lmao i thought i was the only one that liked him😆 ,especially after the newest chapter cuz everbody was shitting on him past chapters. I mean i dont ship them but he just looks like he cares about doyeon and just happens to have crush on her
ISN’T HE THE CUTESTT? Omg, yeah, everyone taking turns telling him to get out the story had me feeling so awkward LMFAOOO; he absolutely does care about Doyeon, and the fact that he so readily accepts Jinju is so 😭

“Ms. Jinju!” How polite, my favorite dogboy ever 😋
 
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@ButterflyOnSun Usually I have no problem reading/hearing english, but I swear everytime you write I end up learning new words haha

The people in this thread hate Gunwoo. I literally went into the comments of the chapter where he was floating around Doyeon expecting at least one (1) comment laughing at his singlemindedness but no, everyone talking about him was either calling him pathetic or telling him to fuck off.
In my case, I wouldn't go as far as saying I hate him, but I can't stand when he doesn't mind his own business. I get that he is worried about his crush, that's just normal, but first he holds Doyeon's apartment door by force and demands to speak with Jinju, instead of, when expressing his worries, asking if he could get to know Jinju just to be more at ease knowing she is not a weird person (she is though haha).
When things doesn't go his way, he tells Morae about Jinju on Doyeon's back. I can't understand why he trust her when she treats him and Doyeon like shit but whatever...
Later he gets rejected and goes crying to Morae as if he didn't have more supportive friends. My guess is it was made this way just to move the plot forward but it still affects his character in a negative way for me.

Doyeon, to Morae, replaced her brother. She took away her brother’s memory by becoming apart of her family and taking on the role of “older sibling” — It is now Morae’s turn to take away something of Doyeon’s. As much as she might argue that she is looking out for her family, it’s already been established by Doyeon that harboring Jinju isn’t a crime, first of all, and secondly, would only add honor to the family name.
Ooh... what if Gunwoo told Morae what doyeon said when she was drunk? The part about liking her "aunt". Maybe that's why she is calling now the loan sharks when she could have done it before? If she knows about Doyeon's feelings then taking Jinju away from her, even after their last talk, when things seemed settled, makes sense.

The failwife to Doyeon’s girl-loser
See? this is what I was talking. I'm sorry for being dense but I don't fully understand the joke. Thanks to google I now know "failwife" meaning, but what do you mean with "girl-loser"?.
 
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I think he’s cute 👩‍❤️‍💋‍👨
I think gunwoo and chanyang (as he appeared in the flashback) are both so precious
Ms. Jinju!” How polite
To be honest… doyeon calls jinju with mrs too… but I avoided since it felt really weird, especially after jinju has been dropping formals with doyeon for a while. Like around chapter 25 jinju started calling doyeon with no honorifics so yeah. Before that, jinju was going with doyeon-student or just student
 
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it’s about getting revenge.
I really don’t know if it’s revenge. Sure she hates her, but I feel like it’s out of sheer fear? Every time morae interacts with doyeon there’s an onomatopoeia like ‘chill’, ‘shiver’ etc… morae also said doyeon’s behavior freaks her out… so she hates her, and it’s also like she’s terrified of her? That’s why I’m saying she has some ground to do that… even if doyeon reassured her, I think morae simply doesn’t trust her (+she hates her etc etc)
 
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@ButterflyOnSun Usually I have no problem reading/hearing english, but I swear everytime you write I end up learning new words haha


In my case, I wouldn't go as far as saying I hate him, but I can't stand when he doesn't mind his own business. I get that he is worried about his crush, that's just normal, but first he holds Doyeon's apartment door by force and demands to speak with Jinju, instead of, when expressing his worries, asking if he could get to know Jinju just to be more at ease knowing she is not a weird person (she is though haha).
When things doesn't go his way, he tells Morae about Jinju on Doyeon's back. I can't understand why he trust her when she treats him and Doyeon like shit but whatever...
Later he gets rejected and goes crying to Morae as if he didn't have more supportive friends. My guess is it was made this way just to move the plot forward but it still affects his character in a negative way for me.


Ooh... what if Gunwoo told Morae what doyeon said when she was drunk? The part about liking her "aunt". Maybe that's why she is calling now the loan sharks when she could have done it before? If she knows about Doyeon's feelings then taking Jinju away from her, even after their last talk, when things seemed settled, makes sense.


See? this is what I was talking. I'm sorry for being dense but I don't fully understand the joke. Thanks to google I now know "failwife" meaning, but what do you mean with "girl-loser"?.
MWAHA, Gunwoo def is a little invasive, but I like him cuz his lack of personal space doesn’t apply to Doyeon. He never tries forcing her into a relationship, and can take a “no,” pretty well — even if that’s the bare minimum, I think he’s cute because he gives off strong “I’m going to call the police! Wait, no, ACAB. I’m going to pay off a biker gang to beat you up” (<— that’s a post from tumblr ‼️) vibes. He’s earnest and innocent.

I’ve always been a sucker for that character archetype, grrraghhhh

“Girl-loser” is the opposite of a “girlboss.” If a girlboss is a strong, independent woman who thrives even when put under duress, a girl-loser is a woman who is. Well.

A loser! Something about Doyeon continuously refusing to follow logic, even when she acknowledges a better, more rational choice can be made — doubled with the fact that her crush has rejected her — makes her a girl-loser to me 😋 She is NAWT succeeding!!! The male equivalent is boyloser, and that’s Gunwoo BWAHAHA
 
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I think gunwoo and chanyang (as he appeared in the flashback) are both so precious

To be honest… doyeon calls jinju with mrs too… but I avoided since it felt really weird, especially after jinju has been dropping formals with doyeon for a while. Like around chapter 25 jinju started calling doyeon with no honorifics so yeah. Before that, jinju was going with doyeon-student or just student
The honorific is “-ssi,” right? I had a feeling, Doyeon absolutely wouldn’t call a person older than her with “-ah” or “-ya” — I don’t think anyone from a country with honorifics would ever speak so casually to their elders, and I’d know a bit about that myself, giggles.

I feel like it still fits that you made Gunwoo call Jinju “Ms.” instead of just leaving it at “Jinju” like you did with Doyeon. If she uses “-ssi” out of respect, but has a relationship with the bearer of that honorific that goes beyond platonic…well, yeah, the “Ms” would be a little weird. “Mrs” even worse HELPPP MEEE!!!!!!!! Would probably indulge a few peoples’ kinks, tho 🤭

Gunwoo is very young, even younger than Doyeon, so he and Jinju’s age gap is even worse. I think it makes a lot of sense for the English localization to spin him as the type to be respectful and refer to every woman old enough to be his mother with “Ms.”

As for Morae,

If she’s afraid of Doyeon, I don’t think she’d physically attack + threaten her. You don’t try riling up the people that you fear, it’s only human to want to remain on their good side. Even if Morae feels comfortable to do so because she’s convinced Doyeon won’t ever strike her back, it makes no sense for her to willingly accept Doyeon’s (negative) attention by putting someone she can tell Doyeon places importance on in danger.

I think, rather than being afraid of Doyeon, she finds her disgusting. Heavy on the disgusting. Onomatopoeia like “shiver, chill,” apply to emotions like that, too.

Morae says: “nobody understands, not like I do,” and “even if no one else can see it,”

There is a lot of isolation. She feels like she’s the only one who sees Doyeon for who she is. An empty shell of a human, that if you crack her open, you’ll only find a void. She’s an imitation. I’m certain Morae must hold resentment towards her parents for so easily accepting Doyeon into the family, and then pretending (well, to Morae it must come off as pretending) it was for her sake. She never asked for another older sibling, never wanted one, because her brother was enough. Doyeon is even more talented than her brother was, which adds salt to the wound because Morae knows her parents are comparing them in their mind.

“Oh…he couldn’t do that but she can, isn’t that wonderful? We really lucked out, didn’t we, honey?”-esque mindset, kinda.

But yeah, Morae considers herself to be the only one still mourning her brother. She feels like Doyeon has disrespected him by taking on a role that he never even gave to her — he couldn’t, because he was murdered. His life was ripped away from him. Doyeon, to Morae, is taking advantage of this wholly lack of resistance.

Morae says something about the air feeling “nauseating” when Doyeon played piano, too. And then we find out in her backstory that her brother was a skilled pianist, even better than Morae. I think that drives home the point.

Her brother was, and still is, an irreplaceable part of her life. The fact that everyone around her replaced him is unacceptable. She hates Doyeon. Resents her, finds her disgusting for calling Morae and her brother’s family her own. She snaps the first time when Doyeon calls someone “aunt,” I’m pretty sure? (IGNORE THIS LAST BIT!!! I WAS BEING A DUMBASS dies)
 
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I don’t remember this?
Chapter 32! Doyeon refers to Morae’s aunt as her own, and then says: “I’ll have to tell mom and dad…” — the immediate next shot being Morae staring at her with an expression that’s a cross between anger and disbelief.

“Shamelessly taking over his empty spot…”
 
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I don’t remember this?
Oh WAIT, she doesn’t bring up an aunt at all, that’s my bad, I think that was another chapter? But still, she does say “I’ll have to tell mom and dad,” and that’s even worse tbh, because if Morae can’t accept her as a sibling, then she sure as hell won’t accept Doyeon seeing HER parents as hers 😭
 
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lol every one got some opinions about these characters. These are my opinions of these characters:

Gunwoo: naive, cute, literally a hyper puppy. He’s in love and crushing on doyeon hard. To see him straight forward and eager doesn’t surprise me. No hate for gunwoo at all even though sometimes I think he can be self centered and not read the room well, but alas that could be because he is pretty young.

Morae: I don’t really hate Morae as a character. Rather I view her as envious of doyeon. Doyeon has earned Moraes own blood related parents approval more than Morae ever could manage. We see it with Morae talking about her practicing the piano. The piano to me symbolizes earning the love of the parents approval. Doyeon quickly earned the praise of their parents more than any of their own children. These parents seem to be willing to do more for doyeon (help her through med school) and rely on doyeon more (the mother calls doyeon to check in on Morae). They give doyeon her own spacious place that Morae claims is too big for one person. Doyeon, no matter how nice she is to Morae will never win moraes love. And I think that’s what this story tells us about people who envy us. No matter how well mannered we are or how talented we become there will always be people who want to see us in a bad situation. Of course this on top of moraes dead brother and doyeon replacing her brother, this makes Morae seem justified in her actions. So how can we hate someone in this position? Wouldn’t you do something similar to a certain extent if placed in the same situation??

Jinjus husband: i hate him lol, and not just because he’s a guy. Where I could understand moraes actions I just can’t understand jinjus husband actions. He doesn’t have a motive for keeping jinju away from work, did he really have to marry jinju at a young age, why didn’t he push her to have an education? I get it’s typical in some cultures for the guy to do everything and the wife stays home to cook and clean but also if they’re so in love then shouldn’t he want to see her do well?

To be fair I feel like we’ll get more information on her husband. Like i think the information we have of him is incomplete. He seems all nice from jinjus perspective, but how accurate are her memories? I strongly feel like more stuff about who he was will come to light as the story progresses.

I do really feel like he’s not coming back though. I’d be more shocked if he does come back. For him to come back would erase that narrative I feel like the author has worked hard to craft (jinju being abandoned/stray).
 
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Gunwoo is a well intentioned himbo I hope in the future he can find someone he can truly be a Wife Guy with 🫡

I was expecting the loan sharks to show up again soon since it’s been too quiet but I wasn’t expecting morae to go with the nuclear option haha

Honestly she probably doesn’t quite understand how vicious these guys are (how determined they are to get Jinju despite her clearly not having any money is bad vibes all day every day) and she’s letting her antipathy towards Doyeon cloud her judgement; like lmao I can’t imagine “woman gets violently dragged out of apartment by loan sharks, political candidate’s daughter found roughed up at the scene” would be great publicity either lol. It won’t be good for anyone and I wouldn’t be surprised if it ends up burning her down the line

Now I’m mostly interested to see how Doyeon handles the situation; she’s clever and smart as hell so it would be cool to get to see her put that to work duping these losers

This could also very much be the moment Doyeon snaps once she finds out/realizes it’s Morae who ratted her out and is trying to take away the one thing she actually loves (somewhat twisted tho it might be lol)

I actually do kind of think we’ll see the husband again, or at least find out what happened to him. From what we’ve been given in the story it’s weird that he hasn’t come back; at first I just assumed jinju was holding out for a total deadbeat but it doesn’t seem like that’s the case from the info we have

That and I mean it would be quite a bit of drama if after all of this (Doyeon maybe manages to deal with the thugs, deals with Morae somehow, and it starts looking like she can safely be with Jinju) the husband shows up with or without the money haha

We’ll have to see what happens of course but if the goal is to twist the knife as deep as possible I wouldn’t put it past the story, especially since it’s being made pretty explicit that Doyeon is a foil to her husband; makes me feel like the actual final confrontation will be between those two

Jinju’s attraction to Doyeon is…I wouldn’t say it’s because Doyeon reminds her of her husband. Jinju absolutely did love her husband at some point, but, I firmly believe that Jinju’s attraction to Doyeon started when she realized that Doyeon isn’t the Perfect Good Girl she thought she was. Doyeon no longer became an ideal. She was humanized, she became — for a lack of a better term — obtainable. In reach.

I think that while Doyeon’s similarities to Jinju’s husband definitely do play a part in why Jinju gravitates towards her, I don’t think it’s the main reason 👩‍❤️‍💋‍👨 Doyeon and Jinju’s husband are fundamentally different people too, likeee, Doyeon comes off to me as simply resigned to the role given to her, the key word here being role, whereas Jinju’s husband is genuinely just a dumbass with a good heart.

There’s a certain passion in the way he defends his reasons for lending that whopping sum to his friend. He’s justifying himself, not explaining. “I thought he’d hang himself, I was worried, you see…” Even though he knows what he did was stupid, he doesn’t regret it because he genuinely feels like he did the right thing by helping a friend in need.

Doyeon, like Morae suggests, isn’t exactly a very honest person. She has a dark past of her own, and seems pretty against dragging the skeletons out the closet. She is kind and willing to help others, but there is a limit to this. Jinju is, ironically, usually the victim to the impulsive, obsessive side Doyeon has probably been attempting to repress.

But what’s romance without the person you love pulling emotions out of you involuntarily, amirite? GIGGLES!

Aah, I think Doyeon’s speech to Gunwoo best highlights the differences. Doyeon doesn’t want to need the person she loves because that makes it easier for her to detach + makes it so that she’s the one in power; which is, well, something she hasn’t felt in all these chapters. Not wholly. Jinju makes her weak and “not herself” — and she knows this. She wants it to end.

Yee I think you really hit the nail on the head here re: Doyeon being a foil to Jinjus Husband (the husband is dumb and trusting to a fault but wants to do the right thing, Doyeon does good things because that’s what’s expected of her etc)

I’m not totally optimistic this will end with no one dying, which would obviously be preferable for everyone involved, but depending on how dark things go I wouldn’t be too surprised if Doyeon ends up doing something (murder I mean murder) to jinjus husband (assuming he returns). We’ve seen how desperate she is to keep Jinju in her life at this point but I’m also a drama seeking missile so
 
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Gunwoo is a well intentioned himbo I hope in the future he can find someone he can truly be a Wife Guy with 🫡

I was expecting the loan sharks to show up again soon since it’s been too quiet but I wasn’t expecting morae to go with the nuclear option haha

Honestly she probably doesn’t quite understand how vicious these guys are (how determined they are to get Jinju despite her clearly not having any money is bad vibes all day every day) and she’s letting her antipathy towards Doyeon cloud her judgement; like lmao I can’t imagine “woman gets violently dragged out of apartment by loan sharks, political candidate’s daughter found roughed up at the scene” would be great publicity either lol. It won’t be good for anyone and I wouldn’t be surprised if it ends up burning her down the line

Now I’m mostly interested to see how Doyeon handles the situation; she’s clever and smart as hell so it would be cool to get to see her put that to work duping these losers

This could also very much be the moment Doyeon snaps once she finds out/realizes it’s Morae who ratted her out and is trying to take away the one thing she actually loves (somewhat twisted tho it might be lol)

I actually do kind of think we’ll see the husband again, or at least find out what happened to him. From what we’ve been given in the story it’s weird that he hasn’t come back; at first I just assumed jinju was holding out for a total deadbeat but it doesn’t seem like that’s the case from the info we have

That and I mean it would be quite a bit of drama if after all of this (Doyeon maybe manages to deal with the thugs, deals with Morae somehow, and it starts looking like she can safely be with Jinju) the husband shows up with or without the money haha

We’ll have to see what happens of course but if the goal is to twist the knife as deep as possible I wouldn’t put it past the story, especially since it’s being made pretty explicit that Doyeon is a foil to her husband; makes me feel like the actual final confrontation will be between those two



Yee I think you really hit the nail on the head here re: Doyeon being a foil to Jinjus Husband (the husband is dumb and trusting to a fault but wants to do the right thing, Doyeon does good things because that’s what’s expected of her etc)

I’m not totally optimistic this will end with no one dying, which would obviously be preferable for everyone involved, but depending on how dark things go I wouldn’t be too surprised if Doyeon ends up doing something (murder I mean murder) to jinjus husband (assuming he returns). We’ve seen how desperate she is to keep Jinju in her life at this point but I’m also a drama seeking missile so
Always such a treat when you comment; AND you quoted me? I’m honored.

BYE??? NOT THE: “woman gets violently dragged out of apartment by loan sharks, political candidate’s daughter found roughed up at the scene”?:!:!:!:! What a headline, definitely the start of The Hunger Games for journalists all over the country.

Korea’s debt culture is reaaaallyyy bad. Poverty is a problem and loan sharks make their own living through the exploitation of this so it’s common that things get violent, or that interest gets doubled so dramatically that there is no way in hell the person in debt can pay it all back (which makes them end up dragging family members into it by making relatives benefactors. A vicious cycle) like, it really is a dog eat dog world out there and Morae — as surprisingly sentimental as she is — has the smarts and indifferent cruelty to be aware of this.

It’s why she uses the debt collectors as a threat, since she knows the implications behind it.

“Even if you’re a woman, even if you beg me…I wouldn’t feel the slightest bit empathy for you.”

The woman bit. Once again, the implications…

Morae is incredibly detached, and yet her morals and ethics stem from such a soft spot — you would never expect her to be the kind of person to think: “I would’ve spent everyday making you happy” and “I miss you so much, it upsets me that the whole world isn’t crying with me right now.”

Villains whose values center around love and the deconstruction of it >>>>>>>>>

I LOVE THAT GIRL!

Not you fiending for murder too BWAHAHA. Doyeon killing Jinju’s husband tho? 😵 Her going full on yandere would be fun but I’m worried about how this kinda descent would be paced, ngl…

I’m also holding my breath about the story going the “nobody dies!” route, especially because Jinju’s suicide ideation is a facet of Doyeon’s vigilance over her, but Doyeon personally executing one of these deaths makes me hope, really bad, that it doesn’t go the pacifist direction. Drama 4ever and ever!

I think her snapping at Morae before anything substantial would be a good first step 🫡 Do you think it would startle her, or would she take it as Doyeon finally showing her true colors?
 
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I'm a black woman, why you want to bring up race is weird, but go off (but I'm the word one for calling out misogyny). You wanna cape for all the males in the story, go on ahead. "Nobody loves any of the men", but then you proceed to gush over gunwoo. You say you're not defending the husband and then proceed to twist yourself into a pretzel to justify his actions just like before. This wall of text is to defend your love for a fictional man :ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO:. Ma'am, do you hear yourself?
Why would I be happy about the men's stupidity if women like you are going to justify their actions if they come off as "sincere" while the women are labeled as "catty"? Morae is literally called a bitch (I like how you glossed over that in your wall of text to defend yo man) a literal gendered slur, but it's not misogyny. Gotchu. I swear "woc" can't see misogyny if it hit them in the face- that genuinely upsets no cap. Can't do better because you don't know better.
"He's not depicted as a villain" therefore you lack the ability to form your own stance on him? You bring up how Moraw slaps Jinjus and Doyeon, but forget how the husband had sex with Jinju (or at least it is implied) even when it causes her pain, but you dislike recognizing misogyny so I'm not surprised you'd try to justify his actions as him being "naive" about the female body or something.
Don't call me babe, weirdo.

He was literally in this chapter. So are people giving jinju's husband shit too, or are they not because he isn't around in the present? Wishing harm on the female character so she can't impact a situation a male character created through his "sincereness". You keep bringing up the "narrative" like it's holy water to cast a demon like me away, but nowhere in the "narrative" does it go he's not the bad guy despite the bad things he's done, that's what you took from the bits and pieces shown because you wanna mammy.
It's so corny when people think they ate, but they didn't.
I’m not even gonna entertain a longer discussion w you because whatever I said went through one ear and out the other, apparently. You can keep twisting my words to fit whatever you wanna believe, cuz clearly, that’s your only skill from an argumentative standpoint.

I bought up race — I’m desi, bengali specifically — because the patriarchy affects white women VERY differently. Cultural misogyny is a thing 🤗 When the subjugation of women is deeply embedded in your culture, it impacts the way that you are raised and treated by your peers. If there is one group of people that will be struck by misogyny for their entire life, it’s women of color. With how passionate you seem to be about the topic, I assumed you to be one and I guessed right! White women tend to only utilize and care about feminism when it can score them a point in the infamous “oppression Olympics.”

Sooo, yes! I know very well what misogyny is — that is why I bought it up! To show you that I’m in close contact with it, not just because of my gender, but because of my race! — and people disliking a female villain and reacting in appropriation to this dislike is not apart of it 😹 The femicides in Mexico is a more pressing matter at hand and yet you expend energy on arguing that an audience using their reading comprehension to form opinions on fictional characters is misogyny…very nice 🧙‍♀️Your activism is void in the name of real life problems <3

You stay cool though! 🫂
 
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