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not available in my region either. guess i gotta look elsewhere...
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I can't edit my old comment, I'll write a bit more, up to ch45 now
What I like:
What I dislike:
Extra
I'm not sure where/what the next conflict will be, I hope for a change of pace like setting up a new base, and welcoming in people. During Jericho they talked about going into alien nests, so I imagine the aliens will be a later major conflict.
10/10?, 7/10 for now I feel, art's not crazy good but for what it is I like it, overall, good, if things are cleared up/expanded upon, could easily be 10/10, just gonna have to wait til completion though, could pull some last minute "piss on self" action, like... CSM (Asa's consent).
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E2: ch46 comment
What I like:
-Losing hair as a haircut
(and Lily touching John's head, it's very human to actually want to touch something, like as babies we touch and lick a bunch of stuff, I'm sure you know the texture of wood or glass without having to touch or lick it)
-Speed of all the action, and the action in general
(Jericho transformation was awesome, just good)
-Mystery behind the alien hivemind
(They seem to share a mind? They're connected underground? There's horned aliens?(leaders?))
(Also mystery why things are beginning to rot, why aliens largely only target humans(Though, reason for humans might be because they're simply the greatest threat, it's why humans are targeting aliens))
(I say hivemind because it looked like they opened their brains to the center of the nest, maybe the center gains information from human bodies and shares it? maybe it'll be possible to clone people, maybe cloning his sister? (As we know they regenerate, and adaptors can form specific shapes like John giving Alda a sword) In which he'll have to kill his sister? I'm not sure, anything is possible)
-Body transforming as a form of suffering
(There isn't someone there pulling his teeth out, they fall out)
-Crazy main character
(Delusions to live, strangely a lot like "Fire Punch")
(Also apparently bloodlusted, which, if he's learning to control a full transformation, might mean he can't control it, maybe, he's ruthless while fully transformed, a power for a price thing)
-Smart aliens
(them seeing they can't hurt John and invading Jericho was good(maybe it's a sort of respect thing, or ties into why they target humans, because they know they can kill them? but realised they couldn't with John))
(also I take John let it happen as he didn't know there were Women and Children(or he really didn't care, MAYBE his "sister" controls his transformation, but them mentioning how the first transformation is always hazy works against this))
-It's not "Need water, need food" like many apocalypse stories
(It gets tiring, but fighting over resources is a good conflict, "Mad max")
-It's possible his sister, or, his perception of her controls his power, as she was the trigger to his transformation, yea, he said that his guilt over the massacre is likely limiting him, but he hasn't fully transformed again yet, only time was with his sister inciting him
(Maybe his "sister" is guiltless, ruthless, she taught him how to punch, and blew up a camp, she could largely be the reason why he was able to get so far, and in a way, she still is, very cool)
-There's general wishes for characters, Ethan a fluffy bed, Norman music, Leon to protect humanity/family, John his sister/her wishes (which is very cool, as it's unpredictable, John could believe her as being ruthless), Oscar Lily and to ally John for humanity, etc
-Delusion is the strongest hope, I love this theme, and John is a good character for it, when all hope is lost, the only thing to keep him going is his imaginary sister, awesome
-John and Leon both value family, were "pushed" by family, but how they were pushed and their views are very different, it's unique to have the protagonist and antagonist strongly "share" a value
(and Lily touching John's head, it's very human to actually want to touch something, like as babies we touch and lick a bunch of stuff, I'm sure you know the texture of wood or glass without having to touch or lick it)
-Speed of all the action, and the action in general
(Jericho transformation was awesome, just good)
-Mystery behind the alien hivemind
(They seem to share a mind? They're connected underground? There's horned aliens?(leaders?))
(Also mystery why things are beginning to rot, why aliens largely only target humans(Though, reason for humans might be because they're simply the greatest threat, it's why humans are targeting aliens))
(I say hivemind because it looked like they opened their brains to the center of the nest, maybe the center gains information from human bodies and shares it? maybe it'll be possible to clone people, maybe cloning his sister? (As we know they regenerate, and adaptors can form specific shapes like John giving Alda a sword) In which he'll have to kill his sister? I'm not sure, anything is possible)
-Body transforming as a form of suffering
(There isn't someone there pulling his teeth out, they fall out)
-Crazy main character
(Delusions to live, strangely a lot like "Fire Punch")
(Also apparently bloodlusted, which, if he's learning to control a full transformation, might mean he can't control it, maybe, he's ruthless while fully transformed, a power for a price thing)
-Smart aliens
(them seeing they can't hurt John and invading Jericho was good(maybe it's a sort of respect thing, or ties into why they target humans, because they know they can kill them? but realised they couldn't with John))
(also I take John let it happen as he didn't know there were Women and Children(or he really didn't care, MAYBE his "sister" controls his transformation, but them mentioning how the first transformation is always hazy works against this))
-It's not "Need water, need food" like many apocalypse stories
(It gets tiring, but fighting over resources is a good conflict, "Mad max")
-It's possible his sister, or, his perception of her controls his power, as she was the trigger to his transformation, yea, he said that his guilt over the massacre is likely limiting him, but he hasn't fully transformed again yet, only time was with his sister inciting him
(Maybe his "sister" is guiltless, ruthless, she taught him how to punch, and blew up a camp, she could largely be the reason why he was able to get so far, and in a way, she still is, very cool)
-There's general wishes for characters, Ethan a fluffy bed, Norman music, Leon to protect humanity/family, John his sister/her wishes (which is very cool, as it's unpredictable, John could believe her as being ruthless), Oscar Lily and to ally John for humanity, etc
-Delusion is the strongest hope, I love this theme, and John is a good character for it, when all hope is lost, the only thing to keep him going is his imaginary sister, awesome
-John and Leon both value family, were "pushed" by family, but how they were pushed and their views are very different, it's unique to have the protagonist and antagonist strongly "share" a value
-Subtext rape*
-Not directly confronting any values
(everything is sort of 'given', no character seems to doubt anything, or if they did, it was another 'given' in that they already doubted them)
-THE rapist is the only survivor of 4 (like "Redo of healer" all over again)
-Leon seems to be the main villain that might not be caught until the end
(Like "Ajin", "Kaiju no 8", "Redo of healer")
("Gantz", "Highserk", "Frieren" avoid this by having a larger goal, they're more "journey" stories that also try and resolve something greater)
(I don't think this'll be the case as the Yazur guys were pretty cool and Leon hasn't shown so far)
-A lot of dialogue is sort of filler, it'd help to have character imply their intents (have hidden intents in general, like, does Lily have any hidden intent from Bob?), or to not address the obvious as it detracts value, a smile instead of saying "This is the best" (Pained smile "Fire Punch" ch53)
-Most of the above could be fixed/disproven though
-Not directly confronting any values
(everything is sort of 'given', no character seems to doubt anything, or if they did, it was another 'given' in that they already doubted them)
-THE rapist is the only survivor of 4 (like "Redo of healer" all over again)
-Leon seems to be the main villain that might not be caught until the end
(Like "Ajin", "Kaiju no 8", "Redo of healer")
("Gantz", "Highserk", "Frieren" avoid this by having a larger goal, they're more "journey" stories that also try and resolve something greater)
(I don't think this'll be the case as the Yazur guys were pretty cool and Leon hasn't shown so far)
-A lot of dialogue is sort of filler, it'd help to have character imply their intents (have hidden intents in general, like, does Lily have any hidden intent from Bob?), or to not address the obvious as it detracts value, a smile instead of saying "This is the best" (Pained smile "Fire Punch" ch53)
-Most of the above could be fixed/disproven though
Subtext, like someone else said, is a really cowardly way of writing.
Barely told, not shown.
Also said:
If it's subtext, "No there isn't",
if it's an allusion, "You're ruining it by mentioning it",
if it's a metaphor, "You're reading too far into it, and it's something more palatable",
if it's on-screen, "Awful glorified sexual torture"
Very tricky to properly handle, either yes or no, if no, great relief, if yes, very minimal and without positives.
Main issue is Jericho's writing, a power hierarchy doesn't allow agent-suffering.
Bob, most capable normal human, tried, failed, nothing can be done.
It works for John, to develop him he couldn't have agency, would naturally never choose to mutate.
Bob wasn't harmed by his choice, he was harmed by others due to his choice, it's not enriching for a character.
-If Bob generally pitied/liked the women/children and wanted to rescue as many as he could, it would've made a more interesting dynamic, a "can I trust him?" "I might love him" thing, instead, it's a given to trust Bob, and Lily (That if Lily/Maya grew to care for Bob, then it'd be Bob's handling of what to do(Lily for example, could kill Maya by sabotaging/pushing her to aliens, this would give Lily a flaw, deadly jealousy)).
-Would then be a retcon that his helmet scar is from scouting for a safe location, not, trying to escape, and he waited for a perfect opportunity to escape, this is where characters will doubt him, as it's not a given he's trustworthy (More interesting).
-Lily/Bob are both flawless and victims of Oscar (Both sort of "princesses" in having done nothing wrong, seemingly ever, but both suffer unable to do anything).
-Bob has the "I let it all happen" talk with John, but, he couldn't have done anything, it's a pretty shallow "truth be told" unless he literally begin to let it happen, maybe he was talking about before he tried to run away? That I guess makes sense, it could've also been a "turn over a new leaf" talk with John, I feel it was a muddy conversation.
-Maya's caution could've been over whether John would beat/rape her, she knows Bob won't, but unsure about John, to then learn John isn't going to, so she relaxes, is grateful, and this redeems her character (A reason to be cautious, beyond just "scary").
-Maya honestly, might've been one of my favourite characters, she (revealed to be rightfully) doubted John (John later says it felt amazing to kill). She could've been expanded on a bit more, though killing characters I won't say is bad for tension building.
-Leon and Oscar don't make sense, Leon sees the women as equal but never bothered to check on what they think of Oscar? Bob tried to escape, did Leon never ask the women what they thought? No sense.
-It'd be nice to counterbalance rape with intimate scenes, just having rape, is quite lame. Sort of does with Pano and John, maybe also Alda and Luo eventually. Just have to see.
-It's nice Lily is a strong character, not depicted as a pitiful hopeless victim, it's realistic, victims don't just lay there lifelessly like some doll (If we're being eerie, they're often tense).
-Only reason I can imagine to include was to clarify adaptors can't have children (Bob says), which implies it is rape (not sex, as Lily doesn't like it).
-Best to drop little lines about it, not flashbacks, if neither then let it go.
--BUT:
-Rape only goes off Bob and Leon's suspicions
(Neither knew Oscar would beat Lily, "both were wrong")
(Lily did say it was okay, this doesn't clarify a lot, but if she's not being raped, then it has more weight, and that it truly is okay)
-Beating being common means Oscar could partially, not fully, be disregarding Leon
(Red herring, treating her the same as Bob, as family)
(Disregard: Treat different, not, Disregard: Delicate and outlet)
-We only know he beat Lily, Lily nor Oscar have commented anything more
(Oscar was shown waking up naked, but on a single pillow in the center, I imagine another red herring, he's just in his bed)
-Oscar only visits Lily, there's no "Did it to X, likely does it to Lily too"
-John would never side with Oscar if he raped Lily, Oscar's hope to ally John is pointless text
-A good, and big shock, Oscar trying to join John argues against Bob, Lily has to begrudgingly agree he never went too far
-Oscar doesn't agree with Leon letting his emotions get in the way of things, it's not strategical to rape
I guess worst outcome is, yes, Oscar raped Lily a lot. Soldiers rape prisoner women, Leon said this was for children, was it done to all the women? Not sure, worst case, probably. It's not clarified.
"Highserk" did rape well, raping soldiers would get lashed, and a monster is shown to, showing they're pure evil (Neither were sexualised, dragged on, or glorified, it was touched on then left).
"Berserk" I'll argue did it horribly, heavily sexualised, wrapping arms around, kissing, chest hardens, scars are removed, different positions, blushing, sparks, fluids everywhere, etc, it's dragged on, and glorified.
"Bugle" is an example of needlessness, it's already established raping is common, and there's a moment a side character is implied to being raped (it's not shown, but characters react to seeing it), it adds nothing new to the story, I imagine it's only to garner viewer pity, personally I couldn't care, it's so extreme for such a short amount of time, and as far as I'm aware isn't touched on again, it'd be pointless to care.
Barely told, not shown.
Also said:
If it's subtext, "No there isn't",
if it's an allusion, "You're ruining it by mentioning it",
if it's a metaphor, "You're reading too far into it, and it's something more palatable",
if it's on-screen, "Awful glorified sexual torture"
Very tricky to properly handle, either yes or no, if no, great relief, if yes, very minimal and without positives.
Main issue is Jericho's writing, a power hierarchy doesn't allow agent-suffering.
Bob, most capable normal human, tried, failed, nothing can be done.
It works for John, to develop him he couldn't have agency, would naturally never choose to mutate.
Bob wasn't harmed by his choice, he was harmed by others due to his choice, it's not enriching for a character.
-If Bob generally pitied/liked the women/children and wanted to rescue as many as he could, it would've made a more interesting dynamic, a "can I trust him?" "I might love him" thing, instead, it's a given to trust Bob, and Lily (That if Lily/Maya grew to care for Bob, then it'd be Bob's handling of what to do(Lily for example, could kill Maya by sabotaging/pushing her to aliens, this would give Lily a flaw, deadly jealousy)).
-Would then be a retcon that his helmet scar is from scouting for a safe location, not, trying to escape, and he waited for a perfect opportunity to escape, this is where characters will doubt him, as it's not a given he's trustworthy (More interesting).
-Lily/Bob are both flawless and victims of Oscar (Both sort of "princesses" in having done nothing wrong, seemingly ever, but both suffer unable to do anything).
-Bob has the "I let it all happen" talk with John, but, he couldn't have done anything, it's a pretty shallow "truth be told" unless he literally begin to let it happen, maybe he was talking about before he tried to run away? That I guess makes sense, it could've also been a "turn over a new leaf" talk with John, I feel it was a muddy conversation.
-Maya's caution could've been over whether John would beat/rape her, she knows Bob won't, but unsure about John, to then learn John isn't going to, so she relaxes, is grateful, and this redeems her character (A reason to be cautious, beyond just "scary").
-Maya honestly, might've been one of my favourite characters, she (revealed to be rightfully) doubted John (John later says it felt amazing to kill). She could've been expanded on a bit more, though killing characters I won't say is bad for tension building.
-Leon and Oscar don't make sense, Leon sees the women as equal but never bothered to check on what they think of Oscar? Bob tried to escape, did Leon never ask the women what they thought? No sense.
-It'd be nice to counterbalance rape with intimate scenes, just having rape, is quite lame. Sort of does with Pano and John, maybe also Alda and Luo eventually. Just have to see.
-It's nice Lily is a strong character, not depicted as a pitiful hopeless victim, it's realistic, victims don't just lay there lifelessly like some doll (If we're being eerie, they're often tense).
-Only reason I can imagine to include was to clarify adaptors can't have children (Bob says), which implies it is rape (not sex, as Lily doesn't like it).
-Best to drop little lines about it, not flashbacks, if neither then let it go.
--BUT:
-Rape only goes off Bob and Leon's suspicions
(Neither knew Oscar would beat Lily, "both were wrong")
(Lily did say it was okay, this doesn't clarify a lot, but if she's not being raped, then it has more weight, and that it truly is okay)
-Beating being common means Oscar could partially, not fully, be disregarding Leon
(Red herring, treating her the same as Bob, as family)
(Disregard: Treat different, not, Disregard: Delicate and outlet)
-We only know he beat Lily, Lily nor Oscar have commented anything more
(Oscar was shown waking up naked, but on a single pillow in the center, I imagine another red herring, he's just in his bed)
-Oscar only visits Lily, there's no "Did it to X, likely does it to Lily too"
-John would never side with Oscar if he raped Lily, Oscar's hope to ally John is pointless text
-A good, and big shock, Oscar trying to join John argues against Bob, Lily has to begrudgingly agree he never went too far
-Oscar doesn't agree with Leon letting his emotions get in the way of things, it's not strategical to rape
I guess worst outcome is, yes, Oscar raped Lily a lot. Soldiers rape prisoner women, Leon said this was for children, was it done to all the women? Not sure, worst case, probably. It's not clarified.
"Highserk" did rape well, raping soldiers would get lashed, and a monster is shown to, showing they're pure evil (Neither were sexualised, dragged on, or glorified, it was touched on then left).
"Berserk" I'll argue did it horribly, heavily sexualised, wrapping arms around, kissing, chest hardens, scars are removed, different positions, blushing, sparks, fluids everywhere, etc, it's dragged on, and glorified.
"Bugle" is an example of needlessness, it's already established raping is common, and there's a moment a side character is implied to being raped (it's not shown, but characters react to seeing it), it adds nothing new to the story, I imagine it's only to garner viewer pity, personally I couldn't care, it's so extreme for such a short amount of time, and as far as I'm aware isn't touched on again, it'd be pointless to care.
I like the dynamic of characters
John likes Bob, Lily, hates Oscar, Leon
Bob/Lily hate Oscar, Leon
Oscar's indifferent to Leon, likes Lily, hates Bob, wants to ally John
Leon hates John, and I guess likes everyone else? He's forgiven and cares for his "family"
Pano "served her purpose" (training John) so she might die, which I don't want, seems to like John, Lily/Bob
Alda/Luo might also die in this conflict, I'd imagine Pano, John, Alda face Yazur, only John survives, Luo comes back in time, to see Alda dead, fights Yazur, dies but with Yazur weak John is able to kill him
(All very vague estimates, I hope to be wrong, I want to see more of Alda and Luo, more of Pano, but characters have died in the past)
(Leon/Oscar might drop in to attack the main group, which Luo has to defend maybe, I'm not sure, but splitting power (people) might happen(Don't know))
John likes Bob, Lily, hates Oscar, Leon
Bob/Lily hate Oscar, Leon
Oscar's indifferent to Leon, likes Lily, hates Bob, wants to ally John
Leon hates John, and I guess likes everyone else? He's forgiven and cares for his "family"
Pano "served her purpose" (training John) so she might die, which I don't want, seems to like John, Lily/Bob
Alda/Luo might also die in this conflict, I'd imagine Pano, John, Alda face Yazur, only John survives, Luo comes back in time, to see Alda dead, fights Yazur, dies but with Yazur weak John is able to kill him
(All very vague estimates, I hope to be wrong, I want to see more of Alda and Luo, more of Pano, but characters have died in the past)
(Leon/Oscar might drop in to attack the main group, which Luo has to defend maybe, I'm not sure, but splitting power (people) might happen(Don't know))
I'm not too critical on the flashbacks, it's an apocalypse story with a "lost partner", of course there's gonna be flashbacks. As far as I'm aware we still don't know how his sister died, it was in that forest, and I think in the beginning he mentioned joining their group, did he have his arm when she was alive? I forget, it could pull a "Silent hill 2" tv, which would be crazy, I'd love that, her death wasn't a simple one, maybe he's partly responsible, or entirely (and she haunts him).
10/10?, 7/10 for now I feel, art's not crazy good but for what it is I like it, overall, good, if things are cleared up/expanded upon, could easily be 10/10, just gonna have to wait til completion though, could pull some last minute "piss on self" action, like... CSM (Asa's consent).
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I'll add most characters have been eccentric so far (which I like)(John, Leon, Liam, Yazur, Pano, Luo, Lily, Bob kind of (Bob's good to contrast Lily, Pano's Dad to Pano, Norman to Leon, Alda to Luo, really they're all great), Oscar not being eccentric doesn't seem right as all the Adaptors seem to be (even John, who seems the most normal, sees delusions of his dead sister(and apparently can be bloodlusted, likes to kill)), we weren't shown what Oscar did with Lily, but it could've been just cuddling, or even some form of roleplay as Lily is "childishly eccentric" with her mud sculptures (roleplay like play house, or acting like a mother to him), of all the women why would Oscar like Lily the most? It must be her personality, you could look at Maya, she's not that fun, and Oscar didn't want to bring her along (if he only cared about sex, would it not make sense to grab as many women as possible?), Oscar was never shown to be naked with Lily, a single panel of undressing would've been far more convincing but we never saw that, Oscar focused on her lips, so he might be childish like her and wanted to kiss a lot, similar to Luo (It's funny to see romantic acts like kissing being overblown, like Luo, Oscar might want to practice kissing, it could be a pride thing as everyone believes him to be a "playboy" (as they said), so he might want to keep up the act (for pride/show), so he approached the only woman most like him, as she'd be most accepting).
I'm just saying I really feel like it's all a red herring (and would be more entertaining than the boring alternative), and if it is then I'll argue it handles rape really well, on par with "Highserk", it shows what it had to, a soldier putting on a shirt and a naked woman in bed, pregnant women, and leaves it at that.
With Lily's eccentricity, I wouldn't put it past her becoming an adaptor, might also be why Oscar was so attracted to her, similar, I'm just saying it makes sense Ethan didn't become one, he was too normal.
I'm just saying I really feel like it's all a red herring (and would be more entertaining than the boring alternative), and if it is then I'll argue it handles rape really well, on par with "Highserk", it shows what it had to, a soldier putting on a shirt and a naked woman in bed, pregnant women, and leaves it at that.
With Lily's eccentricity, I wouldn't put it past her becoming an adaptor, might also be why Oscar was so attracted to her, similar, I'm just saying it makes sense Ethan didn't become one, he was too normal.
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