Mada Kimi wo Miageteru - Ch. 7 - I'm Still Full of Lingering Regrets Even Now

[Lajs]

Not that it should even matter, but the reader hasn't been given enough of his backstory yet to know if/how inexperienced he is.


So far all the reader has seen is that Otakei has a manga friend who believes in his work and Tsubaki is a waitress who wears skimpy costumes. Nothing about romantic loyalty (from a woman who doesn't owe him any given they're not in a relationship) or sex work.


Folks being hung up on their lost love is very much not a gendered thing; while widowers tend to remarry quicker, that's b/c of the benefits of marriage to men.

We do know about Mc history there has been no mention of a previous lover. Plus he is portrayed as a shy guy that gets pulled in many directions and him having experience does matter when the story is trying to portray the fmc as some kind of beacon for his manga making. Then for them to become lovers however that falls flat when knowing he just her second choice and she is using him as her emotional sponge.

 

[Lajs]

"wanting better" for Otakei is fine. He's going to "get better", because he has an entire character arc that will play out, both in terms of his manga/professional career and--perhaps--an evolving relationship with Tsubaki.

Saying that Tsubaki is 'used goods' and that she's simply using Otakei and being selfish and then labelling Otakei a cuck is just childish and makes it sound like the people hammering that point have no concept of whatever high school relationship they may have had (or vicariously lived through other manga) and stopped all introspection into how people grow and change from there.
It's such a surface-level take on the story and so anti-Tsubaki in particular that calling it misogyny hardly feels unwarranted.

Prove me wrong if you don't want to be judged by the words you repreatedly throw out chapter after chapter.

Mc isn’t getting better just being used as a second choice and an emotional sponge to the fmc who he hasn’t gotten over since high school. This story made her his entire world and not allowing him to succeed or experience anything outside her.

 

[aheiekf]

You guys are legitimate losers for insisting it’s a cuck story just because she is widowed and lamenting over her ex-husband. Obviously when the person you vow to spend the rest of your life with dies, there’ll be a lingering feeling of loss at what could’ve been. Still, that doesn’t automatically mean you’re soul bonded to that person.

Relationships don’t materialize in an instant. They take time to develop, and oftentimes aren’t about finding the best person but instead about finding the best person for you. Your lover should be someone who is always there to support you and be in your corner, which it seems to be how this story will develop with Keita helping tsubaki deal with unresolved guilt and her supporting his mangaka ambitions.

She “settled” (in the sense that she found someone she felt truly comfortable with) with another man, but that doesn’t automatically mean she’ll never make a connection that deep ever again. I didn’t think it’d have to be said that this story is going to revolve around her moving on from her past and creating a future with MC, but some readers are so porn rotted or poisoned by shitty romcoms to where they believe that it’s high treason to write a romance that doesn’t follow the predestined pure love highschool romance route.

If the story stagnates and she spends the rest of it comparing Keita to her ex and using him as a rebound then I’ll be more inclined to call it cuckbait, but we’re literally only 7 chapters in be for real.

 

[shadowmasstitan]

"wanting better" for Otakei is fine. He's going to "get better", because he has an entire character arc that will play out, both in terms of his manga/professional career and--perhaps--an evolving relationship with Tsubaki.

Saying that Tsubaki is 'used goods' and that she's simply using Otakei and being selfish and then labelling Otakei a cuck is just childish and makes it sound like the people hammering that point have no concept of whatever high school relationship they may have had (or vicariously lived through other manga) and stopped all introspection into how people grow and change from there.
It's such a surface-level take on the story and so anti-Tsubaki in particular that calling it misogyny hardly feels unwarranted.

Prove me wrong if you don't want to be judged by the words you repreatedly throw out chapter after chapter.

Lol 😆 let me guess you would be judged, jury, and executioner. Ps I never said he was a cu¢k. That was your delusional take. But this chapter did prove me right subconscious she knows he is a replacement for her dead husband. I guess you have never heard of the story of the woman and the corpse. Where the woman acts like her man is still alive. It's a horrible mental condition and if not treated by locking them up for a while. That way they come to terms that he is gone. They are driven mad and most try to keep the delusion going even if they have to resort to violence. Be careful because you are exhibiting the same traits and if you drown in your delusion then you will meet a tragic end. Lol 🤣 🤣 🤣

 

[shadowmasstitan]

You guys are legitimate losers for insisting it’s a cuck story just because she is widowed and lamenting over her ex-husband. Obviously when the person you vow to spend the rest of your life with dies, there’ll be a lingering feeling of loss at what could’ve been. Still, that doesn’t automatically mean you’re soul bonded to that person.

Relationships don’t materialize in an instant. They take time to develop, and oftentimes aren’t about finding the best person but instead about finding the best person for you. Your lover should be someone who is always there to support you and be in your corner, which it seems to be how this story will develop with Keita helping tsubaki deal with unresolved guilt and her supporting his mangaka ambitions.

She “settled” (in the sense that she found someone she felt truly comfortable with) with another man, but that doesn’t automatically mean she’ll never make a connection that deep ever again. I didn’t think it’d have to be said that this story is going to revolve around her moving on from her past and creating a future with MC, but some readers are so porn rotted or poisoned by shitty romcoms to where they believe that it’s high treason to write a romance that doesn’t follow the predestined pure love highschool romance route.

If the story stagnates and she spends the rest of it comparing Keita to her ex and using him as a rebound then I’ll be more inclined to call it cuckbait, but we’re literally only 7 chapters in be for real.

Lol 😆 you completely contradict yourself. "You need a partner that's always there for you" but you first said "you're not automatically soul bonded to them". Ummm which is it? because always be there means: EVEN IF THEY DIE! I feel bad for your partner because one minute you're for them completely in the next minute you're shipping off to someone else. Pathetic. lol 🤣 🤣 🤣

 

[jojoka]

This story made her his entire world and not allowing him to succeed or experience anything outside her.

I am a bit worried that it'll go this route with him too, I think its fine that he's given up on his dream because he isolated himself to go for it and failed but his first fan from highschool relit his passion to try again. That's a fine role for her to play but I do worry that this becomes his only motivation, ideally she is the spark who reignites his passion but then the spark grows into fire that he kindles from multiple sources that isn't just her.
Even though they're adults they are young adults so hes still got room for growth and development and in a inspirational story she basically pushes him at the start of a race but then he starts pushing himself into running forward while she cheers on, figuratively. Granted the story might not be about that which would be a shame.

 

[story645]

there has been no mention of a previous lover

Yet? There's been almost no mention of anything except manga lately and even that's been kinda thin.

Plus he is portrayed as a shy guy that gets pulled in many directions and

Why would that mean he has no experience vs gets pulled along by a girl who was into him in college?

him having experience does matter when the story is trying to portray the fmc as some kind of beacon for his manga making.

Why? The reader doesn't know about his experience or lack there of precisely b/c it hasn't come up (so far?) meaning he hasn't found it relevant to her role as muse.

he just her second choice and she is using him as her emotional sponge.

They're both using each other as emotional sponges for the things they're grieving over - his manga and her husband. That's legit just what friends do.

Which, nobody's claiming he's only into her b/c he's feeling down and she's his muse, even though that's legit the gender reverse of her situation.

 

[whorainzone]

I really like how we’re making so many assumptions with little to no actual evidence.

Yes, she’s clearly drunk, and yes, she clearly misses her husband, but we still don’t know what kind of love she had for him. Was it genuine romantic love, or something else entirely? Earlier, we saw him in what looked like a hospital bed, so maybe he had a chronic illness. Maybe they had known each other for a long time. Maybe they were childhood friends, he always liked her, and she started developing feelings for Otakei but chose to stay with him because he was sick.

We simply don’t know.

At this point, all we really know is that she’s drunk, lonely, feels guilty about something, because her sister-in-law is either a tsundere or someone deeply hurt by losing her brother and taking that pain out on others, and Otakei is caught in the middle, trying to deal with both his past and present self while struggling to break free from his insecurities.

That’s all we actually know. Everything else is speculation.

I see where you come from.
A town where you live plot... I see, I see. A good one

 

[whorainzone]

People act like this story is incredibly complex... a widow lost her husband, and a guy failed to build a career or rather, he just couldn't get his act together. The woman has to process what happened you can't deny that, lol (for obvious reasons) and the guy needs a strong pillar of support to build him up. They help each other out until a romance develops. We'll see if they end up together. I’d be fine with the male and female leads pairing up with other people, too. But I don't think the protagonist is a "cuck" just because he still has feelings for her after she married someone else. That’s just how life goes. If they do get together, it’s fate and good for them. Still, some people act like the story has the complexity of Berserk, Attack on titan or Good night punpun... which is kind of kinda funny.

 

[Lajs]

Yet? There's been almost no mention of anything except manga lately and even that's been kinda thin.


Why would that mean he has no experience vs gets pulled along by a girl who was into him in college?


Why? The reader doesn't know about his experience or lack there of precisely b/c it hasn't come up (so far?) meaning he hasn't found it relevant to her role as muse.


They're both using each other as emotional sponges for the things they're grieving over - his manga and her husband. That's legit just what friends do.

Which, nobody's claiming he's only into her b/c he's feeling down and she's his muse, even though that's legit the gender reverse of her situation.

Lmao the Mc is written like a stereotypical nerd protagonist even in high school it’s obvious he has no experience. Next you going to say we need to see the Mc criminal record in order to know he doesn’t have a criminal history. And the manga aspect has not been thin this is literally the plot.

Also no the Mc tried avoiding her however she forced herself back into his life. And actively got involved in his manga stuff unlike him getting involved in her ex husband history. Plus using someone as a substitute for a previous lover is much worse than anything that’s happened this far related to the manga plot line.

 

[NotSomeone]

Looking at these comments and rereading this chapter it made me think how this is one of the weirdest romance mangas ever written I dont want to beat a dead horse but it really does feel cuckish: like an amalgamation of cheating and cucking. instead of the what you expect from a romance manga where the male lead and female lead get to know each other and eventually learn to love each other later down the line its the female lead sulking over a dead ex and the male lead likes the female lead but she doesnt shes still not over her ex and the male lead is a cope for her ex. It feels like cheating on the deceased husbands part because his life was taken away from him and she sees male mc as him and it feels like cucking because female mc is just seeing her deceased husband in male mc she doesnt like him its just a cope for her. now i know it makes sense since cuz shes drunk and all but im viewing it from a meta-perspective, like im placed in the author shoes and im making writing decisions anyway it does intrigue me to keep reading this and i like the fan service too, thank you for the translation

Things are not black and white. She loved her husband and he died, she can either move on or not.
Right now she still very much is tied down to the past, if she moves on the process will be gradual meaning both men will be on her mind at once.
There's nothing wrong with that, it's normal, it's natural. One love doesn't nullify the other, because her husband is dead.

Either way, you guys seem to be way too focused on the feelings of a dead husband instead of focusing on the widow's grief trying to move on.

 

[shadowmasstitan]

Things are not black and white. She loved her husband and he died, she can either move on or not.
Right now she still very much is tied down to the past, if she moves on the process will be gradual meaning both men will be on her mind at once.
There's nothing wrong with that, it's normal, it's natural. One love doesn't nullify the other, because her husband is dead.

Either way, you guys seem to be way too focused on the feelings of a dead husband instead of focusing on the widow's grief trying to move on.

It's called honoring the dead because obviously they can't have a say in the matter. So, hypothetically you get a partner you love with all your heart. You die by accident. Something (God or another deity) shows you the person you were with and they are doing the exact same thing she did with you. Your feelings would be hurt because to your partner that you trust. You are not worth remembering. I used to be like you but then I researched, thought deeply, and reflected. And I came with the conclusion: I will only love my 1 wife completely. Because she might be gone but the love that I have for her is not. And by me doing the same things that I did with her would just feel hollow and shallow. because my wife will not be special anymore. And that is what terrifies me more.

 

[meganium]

You should put down the NTR porn for a bit.

Real life is actually very complex when it comes to relationships and this isn't even that out of pocket, even in fiction. Tsubaki is grieving her lost relationship when she stumbled into someone she knew and was fairly close to in high school, only to find that Otakei is also at a crossroads in his life as he drifts through the days lamenting his failure at becoming a full-on mangaka. They both have heavy weights they're carrying, and have been struggling along each on their own (as it would seem) before running into one another after years of separate paths.

This is more than just a romance story, and they're both adults and not school kids. The themes are grief and overcoming that grief, and they take different forms for the two main characters--Otakei with his failed author career, and Tsubaki with the death of her husband and the apparent tension with her former in-laws, and both of them are rather aimless at the present--but are both now in the process of taking steps toward the future again.

They were close before, and that point of connection along with circumstances has them reentering one another's orbit. Of course things are different in the present, but you're reaching a lot in saying Tsubaki is using Otakei as "cope" over her dead husband. He's not "her second choice", any more than he's owed a relationship with her. They're two people who have gone and are going through shit, and this will be a story of seeing where and when and how they persevere through it and overcome the obstacles before them.

100%.

I also read Harapeko Oyako and the comment sections are the same. I don't know if it's their compensation for something but many people really like to label characters cuck or slut. It's really tiresome especially since I like reading story when characters on a journey to heal the scars from their past with each other.

Aside from that, since I read both genre, I can confidently say that the people who cry cuck/slut are usually the ones that like vanilla story but somehow must go into a NTR comment section and start blasting everyone else in there.

 

[story645]

And by me doing the same things that I did with her would just feel hollow and shallow. because my wife will not be special anymore

Your wife is special b/c she's her own unique self and that shows up in what you do together, not the acts themselves. Which what's shallow is reducing the relationship to the things you do when the important bit is the person you're doing the things with. (Also legit, this is a convo w/ your wife if she's not hypotherical).

Also no the Mc tried avoiding her however she forced herself back into his life.

The MC welcomed her feedback in high school, then went off to college, then met her again and let her into his life. He's a grown man who cared about her enough to look for her to return her ring & open up to her about quitting and restarting manga.

Plus using someone as a substitute for a previous lover is much worse than anything that’s happened this far related to the manga plot line.

Dating a muse is as bad as dating a substitute 'cause neither is forming a relationship with the actual person, but the manga has yet to show either Tsubaki or Otakei crossing the line into seeking a romantic relationship with a substitute/muse.

And the manga aspect has not been thin this is literally the plot.

What I mean by thin is the manga hasn't yet done a deep dive of his college years or why he quit manga, same as the manga hasn't done a deep dive into her marriage while still telling the reader a lot of info around it.

 

[shadowmasstitan]

Your wife is special b/c she's her own unique self and that shows up in what you do together, not the acts themselves. Which what's shallow is reducing the relationship to the things you do when the important bit is the person you're doing the things with. (Also legit, this is a convo w/ your wife if she's not hypotherical).

Lol 😆 I must have hit a nerve because you are trying to make it sound like I will never get a wife. Too bad for you I have a wife and kids. Ps we were also vergins and have bed time fun almost every day. I really don't want to sleep with another person because of how special my relationship actually is. Also the important things you are talk about. Will not be unique because you already did it with someone else. Meaning: is the partner you choose truly special or are you after your own gratification. Very shallow if you ask me. Lol 🤣 🤣 🤣

 

[aheiekf]

Lol 😆 you completely contradict yourself. "You need a partner that's always there for you" but you first said "you're not automatically soul bonded to them". Ummm which is it? because always be there means: EVEN IF THEY DIE! I feel bad for your partner because one minute you're for them completely in the next minute you're shipping off to someone else. Pathetic. lol 🤣 🤣 🤣

You can’t be there for someone when you’re physically not present, which is the premise of her arc.
Navigating her life without the person she promised to stay together forever with is like, the most obvious plot point. Keita is being set up as the guy to help her move on and build a new future together. It’s not a deep concept to grasp—this happens all of the time in real life.

You’re not even pointing out a contradiction, you’re just making retarded judgements without reading anything.

 

[LordIndica]

Lol 😆 using "God will it" from Latin. What afraid of calling me a Christian? Lol 🤣🤣🤣 you do realize you people are my entertainment. Thank you for making my day 😁

Man, you sound like a profoundly insecure and clueless loser... get off the internet, dude, you can't even handle a manga or its comments section without getting confused

 

[shadowmasstitan]

Man, you sound like a profoundly insecure and clueless loser... get off the internet, dude, you can't even handle a manga or its comments section without getting confused

Lol 😆 I already won in life. I have a wife and kids. And the only reason you want me off is because you are insecure and only view relationships on a surface level. I feel bad for you. Because you will never be their for your own partner. Lol 🤣 🤣 🤣

 

[shadowmasstitan]

You can’t be there for someone when you’re physically not present, which is the premise of her arc.
Navigating her life without the person she promised to stay together forever with is like, the most obvious plot point. Keita is being set up as the guy to help her move on and build a new future together. It’s not a deep concept to grasp—this happens all of the time in real life.

You’re not even pointing out a contradiction, you’re just making retarded judgements without reading anything.

Lol 😆 so you will never truly love someone? Lol 🤣 🤣 🤣 because to love someone else completely. Is to be faithful even if they are not always their. Your love, you are describing, are what cheaters use as an excuse to cheat on their partners. Always saying "you were never there for me" when in reality they were making money for you. Once a cheater always a cheater. Lol 🤣 🤣 🤣

 

[LordIndica]

Jesus, the amount of misogynistic incels reading this series is genuinely fascinating. Like why are you even here if you can't handle a story about a woman that isn't just written as some prize fuck-sleeve for a man to win? There are plenty of other gooner manga to read. Soooo man angry little boys in these comments, even ones going so far as to declare that women just don't experience emotions the same way as men, which is the sort of laughable cope that only the most insecure losers have to employ to handle their dysfunctional feelings about women. Like guys, if the only way you can handle reading a story about a woman without getting angry and crashing out is if that woman is some unicorn of a gorgeous virgin with no experience or less experience than you and is madly and singularly in love with your loser self-insert character and no one else ever, past or future, how the fuck are you handling interactions with any woman over the age of 18 in your lives?

Like these losers are so profoundly insecure and mad about it. Just a slew of comments from guys betraying that they either do not know what NTR/cuckolding actual is, or that they're just so sensitive and fragile that just the suggestion that a woman might have relationships - romantic or platonic - with more than one man in her life sends you into your feels complaining about how the chick is "used goods". She's "using" the guy? For what? Friendship? Are you guys "using" your male friends when you hang out with them and need support after a breakup or other personal hardship? Are we really suggesting that the MC is somehow getting "cucked" by a dead man??? Come on, kids, grow the fuck up.

seriously, did you guys not know any girls in highschool unless you dated them and got married? Did you never date a woman unless you were her first boyfriend ever? Do you expect that this early-20s woman is just supposed to be celibate the rest of her life after he husband died? That she can't even hang out with a friend from highschool ever again? Is every single guy she encounters just a replacement for the husband and not their own unique person that a relationship can grow from? The creepy, possessive double-standards on display are fascinating, because if this was a story about a shy woman reconnecting with a handsome man she knew in highschool after he lost his wife, NONE of you creeps would be complaining about how he was just using her as a replacement or that he was "used goods" or being unfair to the woman by just spending time with her or that the woman was being "cucked" by the dead wife. Y'all would be cheering for her to heal his poor broken heart.

The sane folks here will continue enjoying a provocative story about 2 people trying to start a new chapter in their lives, while the rest of y'all seethe about how paranoid you are that no woman will actually like you and is just thinking about Chads dick while they're with you, almost as much as y'all apparently are.