Majo no Geboku to Maou no Tsuno - Vol. 4 Ch. 19 - The Witch's Servant and the Land of the North (1)
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i'm curious as to why all of the anger goes to the translator when discussing the "politics" in this manga when i have only seen them address discussions on gender/sexuality already present in the work. if you don't want to know trans people exist, maybe don't read a manga that has had several chapters now discussing gender theory (albeit clumsily)
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I said I understood the negative connotation, desu. Even with that stigma, it’s hardly a slur. A matter of reality is, if someone was dressed up as the opposite gender convincingly enough, some people will always be fooled, even if deception wasn’t necessarily the person’s intention.
Regardless of race, sex, gender identity, the most perfect of traps, AKA, crossdressers, can’t be detected by eye alone. Until the day people can telepathically identify a person’s gender, or no longer associate clothing such as skirts to women, or long hair as feminine, there will always be the basic, underlying thought that “a mistake or assumption was made”, that the proverbial trap was set off.
That’s not a slur. You hear people say “we don’t like hXmXs here!” or “N0gg0rs are naturally prone to violence.” Or for me, “FOB” or “FLIP”. Those are slurs. “You fell for a trap” might be degrading, it might be embarrassing, but aside from, “lol it’s a trap”, that’s it. It might write you off for less, but it’s a word that describes a person, just like “tsundere”, or “ojou” can describe a princess. How many people have admittedly called a character “the token childhood friend” and written them off like that?
“Trap” just happens to be the most popular term for “cross dresser”. If “trap” had as bad of a stigma as “n0gg0r”, people wouldn’t say trap. For all the ways to describe a person of African descent living in America, from African American, people of color, Afro-American, or black, guess what? Black happens to be the shortest one. It might be demeaning to refer to people by the color of their skin, but damn if a one syllable color isn’t easy, and boy does it get the point across.
Edit: We, humans use words to describe things. You have to defeat the association to defeat the word. For a “round piece of wood with four legs”, dimensions decides if it’s a table or a stool. We use “table” and “stool” to identify those differences. For “a girl/woman” and “cross dresser”, trap just happens to be one that the weeb or internet communities use to describe and differentiate the two.
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I said I understood the negative connotation, desu. Even with that stigma, it’s hardly a slur. A matter of reality is, if someone was dressed up as the opposite gender convincingly enough, some people will always be fooled, even if deception wasn’t necessarily the person’s intention.
Regardless of race, sex, gender identity, the most perfect of traps, AKA, crossdressers, can’t be detected by eye alone. Until the day people can telepathically identify a person’s gender, or no longer associate clothing such as skirts to women, or long hair as feminine, there will always be the basic, underlying thought that “a mistake or assumption was made”, that the proverbial trap was set off.
That’s not a slur. You hear people say “we don’t like hXmXs here!” or “N0gg0rs are naturally prone to violence.” Or for me, “FOB” or “FLIP”. Those are slurs. “You fell for a trap” might be degrading, it might be embarrassing, but aside from, “lol it’s a trap”, that’s it. It might write you off for less, but it’s a word that describes a person, just like “tsundere”, or “ojou” can describe a princess. How many people have admittedly called a character “the token childhood friend” and written them off like that?
“Trap” just happens to be the most popular term for “cross dresser”. If “trap” had as bad of a stigma as “n0gg0r”, people wouldn’t say trap. For all the ways to describe a person of African descent living in America, from African American, people of color, Afro-American, or black, guess what? Black happens to be the shortest one. It might be demeaning to refer to people by the color of their skin, but damn if a one syllable color isn’t easy, and boy does it get the point across.
Edit: We, humans use words to describe things. You have to defeat the association to defeat the word. For a “round piece of wood with four legs”, dimensions decides if it’s a table or a stool. We use “table” and “stool” to identify those differences. For “a girl/woman” and “cross dresser”, trap just happens to be one that the weeb or internet communities use to describe and differentiate the two.
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I hate the word trap because of the negative connotations people unknowingly spread when they use it, but wow you've got balls to say that right in the scanlation. Kudos. And to everyone who wants to separate fiction from politics, fiction, especially comics, has literally always had them so idk what you're on about now
More importantly, maybe especially because of how the world is now, but I feel disgusted every time I see Eric cough into his hands. Elbows, my dude! Elbows! Wait no there's a lot of elbow contact and clinging right now. Uh... hold it until your lungs explode I guess
More importantly, maybe especially because of how the world is now, but I feel disgusted every time I see Eric cough into his hands. Elbows, my dude! Elbows! Wait no there's a lot of elbow contact and clinging right now. Uh... hold it until your lungs explode I guess
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Lol Lloyd this chapter dying of embarrassment is fantastic.
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no trap is not a slur, traps are not trans. there's enough trans people on twitter trying to force tomgirls/traps into thinking they are trans and THATS insulting.
literally no one applies the word trap as stated in the tl notes. except maybe some real jocky trans/homophobes I dunno. but they're jackasses as is anyway.
literally no one applies the word trap as stated in the tl notes. except maybe some real jocky trans/homophobes I dunno. but they're jackasses as is anyway.
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The context, usage, and consensus about a word matters. As can the history of that word. Whether a certain word is considered a slur or not depends upon various factors, especially usage. Calling a word a slur in disregard to the context will inevitably create controversy and disagreement. As can forcing rules on others.
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A trap is a trap because the guy is expecting pussy but they find a cock, and the tranny doesn't tell them they have a dick until the pants are down; to avoid trapping, you should yell you have a cock constantly, which is what normal men do all the time anyhow, but with bravado and posturing and also by not looking like women, except for modern male idols and 80's rock stars. In this manga, it's magical transformation, which isn't a real thing and men can't become women and vice-versa, so it's all good and fine until Eric gets smooched, and afterwards it's just plain gay.
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Dude what? I've never seen trap used as an insult lol. It just means a boy who passes for a girl. I dont even connect it to the meaning of like an actual trap, like a mouse trap or something. And if ppl don't regard it to be an insulting word, then it's really not a slur. It has changed meaning already
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Well, I can say that as a trans gal "trap" doesn't bother me when talking about someone who's comfortable being a guy. I'd personally take it as an insult both because they're basically calling me a guy and because they're implying that I was trying to trick them...
Also, all this "oh, this 'politically correct' bullshit is making normal conversations minefields" is just, so dumb. Usage makes the insult as much as dosage makes the poison. As a general rule, if someone expresses discomfort when you call them something? Don't. That's all you need to do. Bam! You're respecting your fellow human, congrats!
(spoilered: a tangent about LGBT+ language)
Anyway, I'm here to read good stories exploring gender identity and sexuality, so I'm all for this :3
P.S.: Gender and sexuality are only "political" because people made them political through ignorance and bigotry. It's not like we wanted our rights or very existance to be a matter of opinion :/
Also, all this "oh, this 'politically correct' bullshit is making normal conversations minefields" is just, so dumb. Usage makes the insult as much as dosage makes the poison. As a general rule, if someone expresses discomfort when you call them something? Don't. That's all you need to do. Bam! You're respecting your fellow human, congrats!
(spoilered: a tangent about LGBT+ language)
Generally, at least in my experience, language has an odd place in the LGBT+ community. Personally, I think it's because most of where our experiences differ from what's considered 'normal' are in the abstract: love, romance, attraction, sense of self, etc. Humanity has tried to describe and explore these feelings, these experiences, since its infancy. There aren't really words that convey them fully. Behind my decision to describe myself as "trans" is a lifetime of experiences, many of which aren't so clear as "i wanna be a girl".
Anyway, I'm here to read good stories exploring gender identity and sexuality, so I'm all for this :3
P.S.: Gender and sexuality are only "political" because people made them political through ignorance and bigotry. It's not like we wanted our rights or very existance to be a matter of opinion :/
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